[VS] Rinnegan Sasuke vs DMS Kakashi

[Strict]

Not to mention the lack of intel that gave him advantage.

So no intel on a technique means a MS overpowers the mother of Hagoromo? She is the origin of all Chakra and Kekkei Genkai, yet loses a clash against Kakashi. Even with no intel, you must have an extremely powerful technique to overpower someone like Kaguya.

The lack of logic is mind-boggling my friend, absolutely mind-boggling.

Yeah, but it's fact. Fact, that Kakashi slips through anything, kamuis away the ash bones and Gudo Damas and was about to one shot the Juubi, until Obito tampered with his own Kamui. And now he blitzes Kaguya level Shinobi with a Raikiri while the rest of his body is intangible.

Sasuke can't win. Kishimoto created an abnormal haxxed character.

 

[shelke]

So no intel on a technique means a MS overpowers the mother of Hagoromo? She is the origin of all Chakra and Kekkei Genkai, yet loses a clash against Kakashi. Even with no intel, you must have an extremely powerful technique to overpower someone like Kaguya.

Yeah, but it's fact. Fact, that Kakashi slips through anything, kamuis away the ash bones and Gudo Damas and was about to one shot the Juubi, until Obito tampered with his own Kamui. And now he blitzes Kaguya level Shinobi with a Raikiri while the rest of his body is intangible.

Sasuke can't win. Kishimoto created an abnormal haxxed character.

The woman seems none to bright. As soon as BZ was cut off, her so-called gibbon-connections spoke for themselves. She didn't have any strategy in mind. Not to mention how we saw what her Kamui-like technique of sending her arms through the other dimension did to Sasuke. Next time, even Naruto was prepared. This is how intel works.

He used Intangibility and stabbed through her. It's elementary logic, to say the least. With intel, she could have simply shifted dimensions to evade him. I don't see the point in this.

So, let me get this straight, you believe Kakashi with intangibility is somehow superior to Kaguya's offenses? I hope to god that this is some kind of joke. He blitzed Kaguya? This is insane.

 

[Strict]

And how would changing dimension safe her?
If she changed dimensions, there would be two possible outcomes;
1. Kakashi wouldn't be affected, as his physical body would remain in the Kamui dimension.
2. She would take Kakashi with her to the other dimension, but Kakashi would blitz her as well, as he would charge towards her while being intangible (so Ice dimension to immobilize him is useless).

Fact is, she saw Kakashi charging towards her, yet couldn't do anything. She lost that clash. Even with no intel, she saw how the bone passed through Kakashi and saw Kakashi charging towards her, yet she simply couldn't react.

You can comport yourself as you want, insult, but all that doesn't change this fact. Kakashi isn't stronger than Kaguya, but the talk is about Sasuke. Sasuke can't do anything. If he teleports next to Kakashi and then strikes, he avoids it with intangibility like Kaguya by using her portal. You can like it or not. You can't compare Kakashi to Madara. Madara had no protection, he had just one Rinnegan with a Limbo that was immobilized by Naruto, Kamui is auto protection; Sasuke teleports next to Kakashi, strikes from close range and slips through Kakashi. That's how Sasuke's teleportation works. Teleporting next to the target and striking from close range.

Anything slips through Kakashi as he can just make himself intangible. Deal with it. You have no argumentation at all, you just be like "Thats insane, that's just a MS, how can you believe this?". It's all fact dude, deal with it.

 

[VongolaX]

Sasuke wins because of his genjustu

CT can't work work because Kakashi can phase through it

Windmill shurikens would be intercepted by Susanoo arrows/Enton Arrow

Not going to bring up chidori/raikiri because Kakashi is simply the master of those techniques, Sasuke will have to respond with Enton variants.

Normally he would absorb kakashi's rikudou chakra and GG Kumai period, but the intangibility is instant and Amenote will have problems as well.

But striking speed can change that^^

Genjustu is Sasuke 100% chance at winning, and seeing how impress the sage was at the speed and range of the genjustu...

Sasuke wins

 

[Strict]

Now the only question is, whether the Genjutsu really works.
Wonder why Sasuke didn't use this Genjutsu against Naruto, who has no Dojutsu.
But against someone with MS and equal amount of Rikudo Chakra, it works?

Explanation please.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

So no intel on a technique means a MS overpowers the mother of Hagoromo? She is the origin of all Chakra and Kekkei Genkai, yet loses a clash against Kakashi. Even with no intel, you must have an extremely powerful technique to overpower someone like Kaguya.


Yeah, but it's fact. Fact, that Kakashi slips through anything, kamuis away the ash bones and Gudo Damas and was about to one shot the Juubi, until Obito tampered with his own Kamui. And now he blitzes Kaguya level Shinobi with a Raikiri while the rest of his body is intangible.

Sasuke can't win. Kishimoto created an abnormal haxxed character.

I agree. It's retarded, but it's a fact. Kakashi is something else.

 

[shelke]

And how would changing dimension safe her?
If she changed dimensions, there would be two possible outcomes;
1. Kakashi wouldn't be affected, as his physical body would remain in the Kamui dimension.
2. She would take Kakashi with her to the other dimension, but Kakashi would blitz her as well, as he would charge towards her while being intangible (so Ice dimension to immobilize him is useless).

Fact is, she saw Kakashi charging towards her, yet couldn't do anything. She lost that clash. Even with no intel, she saw how the bone passed through Kakashi and saw Kakashi charging towards her, yet she simply couldn't react.

You can comport yourself as you want, insult, but all that doesn't change this fact. Kakashi isn't stronger than Kaguya, but the talk is about Sasuke. Sasuke can't do anything. If he teleports next to Kakashi and then strikes, he avoids it with intangibility like Kaguya by using her portal. You can like it or not. You can't compare Kakashi to Madara. Madara had no protection, he had just one Rinnegan with a Limbo that was immobilized by Naruto, Kamui is auto protection; Sasuke teleports next to Kakashi, strikes from close range and slips through Kakashi. That's how Sasuke's teleportation works. Teleporting next to the target and striking from close range.

Anything slips through Kakashi as he can just make himself intangible. Deal with it. You have no argumentation at all, you just be like "Thats insane, that's just a MS, how can you believe this?". It's all fact dude, deal with it.

The whole point was the 'stabbing through part'. She can outlast him, remember? Or has this point being forgotten?

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- Looks like both Kaguya and BZ had no clue as to why he even slipped through the attack, when Suano'o got nailed and destroyed. So, I guess the intel part is pretty much valid for Kaguya and the lack of knowledge that Kakashi 'suddenly' pulled Intangibility out of his ass. Let's not underestimate Kaguya here.

Charge towards her? What the heck are you even talking about?

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.This is influence of gravity. A damn free-fall. Kaguga wasn't expecting intangibility. That scan is proof enough. Heck, that Susano'o with Sakura are still over her idiotic head:

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Where is this charging and blizting coming from anyway? Intangibility is also activated by Reaction, something we saw when Obito couldn't when Itachi's trap Amaterasu landed on him. Once it's activated, only then, it's automatic. Without reaction rates, Kakashi is slipping through squat.

I cannot believe you think Kakashi blitzed or charged at her.

 

[Strict]

Your whole point makes no sense.

After the bone already slipped through Kakashi, he formed his Raikiri and started to charge towards Kaguya, she reacted tom him forming Raikiri, yet couldn't do anything that moment. I also don't know why you speak about gravity; Kaguya and Naruto are not affected by it as they fly. Anyway, that is not Kaguya but Sasuke here. Sasuke has nothing against Kamui.

Amaterasu is instant. It instantly appears at your body. More important, Obito wasn't even prepared for that. That wasn't a fight. Sasuke's MS automatically activated and created the flame. In a battle situation, that wouldn't happen. Otherwise Itachi would have killed Obito at his lifetime. But he didn't. Because he couldn't. Your point?

Sasuke's teleportation works by teleporting next to the target and striking from close range. Intangibility definitely reacts to it.

 

[shelke]

Your whole point makes no sense.

After the bone already slipped through Kakashi, he formed his Raikiri and started to charge towards Kaguya, she reacted tom him forming Raikiri, yet couldn't do anything that moment. I also don't know why you speak about gravity; Kaguya and Naruto are not affected by it as they fly. Anyway, that is not Kaguya but Sasuke here. Sasuke has nothing against Kamui.

Amaterasu is instant. It instantly appears at your body. More important, Obito wasn't even prepared for that. That wasn't a fight. Sasuke's MS automatically activated and created the flame. In a battle situation, that wouldn't happen. Otherwise Itachi would have killed Obito at his lifetime. But he didn't. Because he couldn't. Your point?

Sasuke's teleportation works by teleporting next to the target and striking from close range. Intangibility definitely reacts to it.

I suggest you reread your own posts then. You used the word 'charged' or 'blitzed', when I showed you that it was not that, not even remotely. So that throws the issue of 'lightening fast speed factor' out of the window, if that is what you were actually alluding to. The surprise gave him the second advantage. Another factor backed up by the scan that both BZ and Kaguya had no clue as to how he managed to get out of her bone attacks. That was all there was to it.

Where did she supposedly react? She still had a question mark over her head. I told you: this whole thing took them by surprise. It wasn't a speed based attack at all. It's not Kaguya that I am talking about, but your assumption that Kakashi charged at her. When he was simply falling down and used Raikiri on the way down. Is that simple enough to understand? Kakashi will not have this luxury against a far clever opponent like Sasuke, who has faced Intangibility before. Speed is not even a factor here. Which is what your post seems to be implying in regards to Kakashi.

That is a poor man's excuse. He saw it coming. You can go back and reread the chapter. Amaterasu is instant, but Sharingan is capable of seeing chakra quite easily. The fact that he saw it coming and couldn't turn it on in time proves my point yet again. Without reacting, he isn't turning it on, and without it, he's literally toast in CQC alone. Unless of course, someone here believes that Kakashi's foot-speed or reaction rate is anywhere near Sasuke's. Now that would be laughable.

Not when he can teleport his whole Susano'o behind him and turn the tables. Do you think it's that easy? Right.

 

[Strict]

Interesting. You said Kakashi can't make his Susanoo intangible, while Sasuke can teleport his Susanoo. Show me a scan of him teleporting his Susanoo. As if that changed something.

It's also interesting that you argue to Kaguya's favor regarding knowledge, but at the same time, use Obito's lack of knowledge about Sasuke's new Amaterasu.

Your scan is invalid. This wasn't a fight. Obito didn't even use his Sharingan or Kamui. During a talk, Sasuke suddenly activated a MS.

How desperate are you, to prove Kamui's flaw by using a conversation between Obito and Sasuke with latter activating Amaterasu.

Against Kaguya, it was a real battle situation. In a battle situation, the user will activate the MS and Kamui.

So Sasuke uses his teleportation (on which Kakashi has knowledge as well) to appear next to Kakashi and latter will not react to him forming his Chidori and striking from close range, with intangibility?

 

[Jaeger]

Kakashi fastest character in manga confirmed by Strict.

 

[Bogard]

Don't tell me Kakashi can strike with Raikiri while being intangible. Is Kishimoto insane, to create such a haxxed technique??

Kakashi wins by feats. The debate was over the moment Sasuke supporter started to insult instead of disproving canon manga scans.

He is that haxx isn't he?

 

[Strict]

Kakashi fastest character in manga confirmed by Strict.

Fast enough to react with intangibility to Sasuke teleporting next to him, forming Raikiri and striking.

This is Sasuke's teleportation in canon:

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And intangibility can't react to that?

Ok.

And btw. Kamui Raikiri means that Kakashi is intangible while using Raikiri. And we know that with Kamui, the user can go nonstop intangible for 5 minutes. That means 5 minutes of intangible Kakashi with Raikiri in his hand, while Sasuke's teleportation has an interval.

Kamui Raikiri > Sasuke, at least this should be logical for everyone.

 

[shelke]

Interesting. You said Kakashi can't make his Susanoo intangible, while Sasuke can teleport his Susanoo. Show me a scan of him teleporting his Susanoo. As if that changed something.

It's also interesting that you argue to Kaguya's favor regarding knowledge, but at the same time, use Obito's lack of knowledge about Sasuke's new Amaterasu.

Your scan is invalid. This wasn't a fight. Obito didn't even use his Sharingan or Kamui. During a talk, Sasuke suddenly activated a MS.

How desperate are you, to prove Kamui's flaw by using a conversation between Obito and Sasuke with latter activating Amaterasu.

Against Kaguya, it was a real battle situation. In a battle situation, the user will activate the MS and Kamui.

So Sasuke uses his teleportation (on which Kakashi has knowledge as well) to appear next to Kakashi and latter will not react to him forming his Chidori and striking from close range, with intangibility?

My pleasure:

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Teleporting Kaguya.

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. Those same teleportation line cover his susano'o.

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. Here as well.

So, first you ask me that whether it's possible, then leave a room what that would change in this scenario? What a wishful thinking.

Any average man would grasp my analogy, that the whole point was used that when a faster opponent attacks or a such a technique lands, Intangibility is pretty much shot. How many times did she see Kakashi use it? When she saw Obito save him not long ago?

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- But since this is totally irrelevant to you, why bother? He wins, because he's too haxx.

Don't know why you are still stuck on Obito, when my point didn't concern him at all, nor Amaterasu, but Intangibility and how it itself goes hand in hand with reaction.

More desperate than you, to declare Kakashi's free fall as some kind of lightening fast speed feat? I think not. Fact remains, he didn't blitz Kaguya, he didn't charge at her; in fact, this never happened in Naruto manga.

Funny, even Naruto (Bushin Avatar) couldn't react to Sasuke's teleportation. It got smashed down into the mountains. Which actually gave Naruto the opening to collect NE in the first place. Kakashi clearly has the speed, Sensing, and reflexes matching Naruto. Who himself couldn't evade it. Who are we kidding, as if this would change a thing, right?

 

[adeshina365]

Sasuke shits on this clown. Close this thread.

 

[Strict]

@shelke, look at the post above yours, it explains anything. I posted a scan of Sasuke's canon teleportation. Intangibility reacts to that.

 

[Stark]

Sasuke + Sharingan + EMS + Rinnengan + Hagoromo's chakra
Kakashi + Sharingan + DMS + Hagoromo's chakra

Only an idiot fanboy or Sasuke hater would say Kakashi would win, Sasuke takes this mid diff at most, pathetic.

 

[shelke]

@shelke, look at the post above yours, it explains anything. I posted a scan of Sasuke's canon teleportation. Intangibility reacts to that.

You cannot be serious. No it doesn't. See how she's still sitting on that spot? The gravity near (or around) her is still in effect. He's not reacting to Sasuke.

By God ... What is this?

 

[Jaeger]

Fast enough to react with intangibility to Sasuke teleporting next to him, forming Raikiri and striking.

This is Sasuke's teleportation in canon:

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And intangibility can't react to that?

Ok.

And btw. Kamui Raikiri means that Kakashi is intangible while using Raikiri. And we know that with Kamui, the user can go nonstop intangible for 5 minutes. That means 5 minutes of intangible Kakashi with Raikiri in his hand, while Sasuke's teleportation has an interval.

Kamui Raikiri > Sasuke, at least this should be logical for everyone.

And your post in short, Kakashi is fastest character in manga.

 

[ANiMUS]

Sasuke wins since Kakashi doesn't have the reaction speed to counter the teleportation. Sasuke caught Madara with it. Madara who countered SM Minato and Tobirama, the fastest shinobis. PS slashes intercept Kamui shuriken. Even if you can phase through CT the gravity would still affect you and Sasuke's chakra >>Kakashi's

Not only that, but rinnegan genjutsu> Sharingan