[VS] Rinnegan Sasuke vs DMS Kakashi

[KidGamer65]

Lol, Kakashi blitzing Kaguya is definitely one of the best jokes I've ever heard on this sight. People honestly think that Kakashi, who was below Sasuke in speed before all this Rikudo business, is going to become faster than Rikudo Sasuke even while teleporting and striking despite the fact that Kakashi got a portion of Hagoromo's chakra from JJ Madara while Sasuke got half of it, from Hagoromo himself. Kaguya didn't bother to attack Kakashi because as DB4 confirms, he is intangible while striking.

Kakashi blitzing Kaguya is pretty much a sound statement as the statement "Sakura blitzed Kaguya".

Also, Sasuke only needs to teleport and strike Kakashi when he becomes tangible to strike. Regardless of his reactions, he will not be able to go Ghost Mode once he's turned it off to attack. Minato teleported above Obito when they fought against each other 17 years ago, and slammed Rasengan right into him. Minato didn't mark him, so it wasn't an instant strike. Yet Obito failed to react. Same exact thing happens with Sasuke. Whether or not intangibility is irrelevant, whether or not he can react is irrelevant.

Don't know why people are acting like Kakashi is going to GG him with Kamui Raikiri, when at the end of the day, it's just a Raikiri enhanced with Rikudo's Power. Sasuke tanks it with Susanoo, or absorbs it with Preta Path.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol, Kakashi blitzing Kaguya is definitely one of the best jokes I've ever heard on this sight. People honestly think that Kakashi, who was below Sasuke in speed before all this Rikudo business, is going to become faster than Rikudo Sasuke even while teleporting and striking despite the fact that Kakashi got a portion of Hagoromo's chakra from JJ Madara while Sasuke got half of it, from Hagoromo himself. Kaguya didn't bother to attack Kakashi because as DB4 confirms, he is intangible while striking.

Kakashi blitzing Kaguya is pretty much a sound statement as the statement "Sakura blitzed Kaguya".

Also, Sasuke only needs to teleport and strike Kakashi when he becomes tangible to strike. Regardless of his reactions, he will not be able to go Ghost Mode once he's turned it off to attack. Minato teleported above Obito when they fought against each other 17 years ago, and slammed Rasengan right into him. Minato didn't mark him, so it wasn't an instant strike. Yet Obito failed to react. Same exact thing happens with Sasuke. Whether or not intangibility is irrelevant, whether or not he can react is irrelevant.

Don't know why people are acting like Kakashi is going to GG him with Kamui Raikiri, when at the end of the day, it's just a Raikiri enhanced with Rikudo's Power. Sasuke tanks it with Susanoo, or absorbs it with Preta Path.

says he can be intangible while striking. ..
still thinks he needs to be tangible to strike. ...


Sasuke fans.

 

[KidGamer65]

says he can be intangible while striking. ..
still thinks he needs to be tangible to strike. ...


Sasuke fans.

*Sigh* Read. I cannot stress that enough. You and pretty much everyone I've argued with over the past 3 days needs to read before replying. I never said that Kakashi can strike while intangible.

For Kamui Raikiri, yeah, he can be intangible, but Kamui Raikiri isn't enough to beat Sasuke, so he'll have to do do something else, and he has a 5 minute limit, so in that interval, its GG no re.

The Kakashi wank in this thread escalated pretty damn high, but that's enough of that.

 

[End of Days]

Rinnegan ability is easy to get around, use an attack deliberately to force him to use it, then sasuke is a sitting duck in the cool down against the same attack

Attacks like arrows are obviously not gonna work

 

[BenjerminGaye]

*Sigh* Read. I cannot stress that enough. You and pretty much everyone I've argued with over the past 3 days needs to read before replying.

If I didn't read your post how would I be able to bring your attention to the bolded bs?

I never said that Kakashi can strike while intangible.

Your words, not mine:

Also, Sasuke only needs to teleport and strike Kakashi when he becomes tangible to strike.

There's no hidden subplot no context clues, that changes the meaning behind that sentence. "Kakashi becomes tangible to strike" when we both know that isn't the case.

Here's another example same paragraph:

Regardless of his reactions, he will not be able to go Ghost Mode once he's turned it off to attack

"He" is in reference to kakashi.

For Kamui Raikiri, yeah, he can be intangible,

I don't see any reason why it would be limited to one technique. But this statement goes against the two statements above.

but Kamui Raikiri isn't enough to beat Sasuke,

It actually is.Sasuke's st is instant so he can't use it to stall kakashi since time won't be passing. If sasuke is forced to use his st just to get away from kakashi, kakashi simply gives chase. After all the range for rinne shifting is limited and it can't be used back to back.

so he'll have to do do something else,

not really

and he has a 5 minute limit, so in that interval, its GG no re.

If Sasuke uses st to dodge/get away from kakashi, kakashi can just reset the clock. Sasuke would be none the wiser, since the only way you can know if he's going "ghost" is if you overlap with him. The 5 minute limit might not even be 5 minutes due to having both eyes but that's neither here nor there.

The Kakashi wank in this thread escalated pretty damn high, but that's enough of that.

There's no wank, thread stipulations state that they have equal amount of Rikudo chakra.

I don't see how susanno would "tank" because kakashi would simply pass through it. I don't see how Petra path absors because Sasuke can only use 1 rinne tech at a time, Petra isn't instant, and it gives kakashi enough time for a kamui snipe.

Then there's you claiming kakashi didn't blitz her even though he did(with little rikudo chakra mind you)where sasuke with half could even touch her until kakashi, naruto and sakura cut off all her options.

The only wank I see is coming from you.

 

[Kakooli]

Rinnegan being used its original owner>Inferior dojutsu received via welfare.

Sasuke's solo glance ends this. Instantly.

 

[KidGamer65]

When not using Raikiri? Yes, he does.

Here's another example same paragraph:

"He" is in reference to kakashi.

I like how you are trying your hardest to justify the fact that you replied to my post showing your inability to comprehend what was posted. The whole context of that paragraph refers to Kakashi and his Kamui Raikiri. "Kakashi becomes tangible to strike" refers to when he's not using Kamui Raikiri.

But, play dumb all you want.

I don't see any reason why it would be limited to one technique. But this statement goes against the two statements above.

Except it is. When he's using Kamui Raikiri, he can strike while intangible, something he can't do otherwise, as the manga has constantly proven through Obito's use of the technique. That simple.

It actually is.Sasuke's st is instant so he can't use it to stall kakashi since time won't be passing. If sasuke is forced to use his st just to get away from kakashi, kakashi simply gives chase. After all the range for rinne shifting is limited and it can't be used back to back.

Except he doesn't need to evade Kamui Raikiri to counter it, Susanoo tanks it with no damage, at all. So no, its not enough to defeat him.

If Sasuke uses st to dodge/get away from kakashi, kakashi can just reset the clock. Sasuke would be none the wiser, since the only way you can know if he's going "ghost" is if you overlap with him. The 5 minute limit might not even be 5 minutes due to having both eyes but that's neither here nor there.

Lol, both eyes makes no difference, because intangibility is the ability of the right eye not the left. And once again, what in the world are you even talking about? Evade? Evade what? He doesn't need to dodge Kamui Raikiri if this is what you are still on about. Kakashi attacks, Susanoo tanks, and then Kakashi either remains in Kamui Mode, 5 minutes are up, and then he dies to Rinne Shift,

Uh, when Kakashi is attacking, he'll have to become tangible, bar Kamui Raikiri. Sasuke will know when he is not using ghost mode when he strikes. If he strikes with Raikiri, it gets tanked, forcing him to try something else.

There's no wank, thread stipulations state that they have equal amount of Rikudo chakra.

Oh I know. Kamui, Kamui Raikiri, and Kakashi's speed are being wanked to hell and back though.

I don't see how susanno would "tank" because kakashi would simply pass through it. I don't see how Petra path absors because Sasuke can only use 1 rinne tech at a time, Petra isn't instant, and it gives kakashi enough time for a kamui snipe.

So, Kakashi's hand is tangible for Raikiri, yet he's going to pass through Susanoo? Lol. Slap yourself.

Uh, Sasuke was stated to be unable to absorb and use jutsu at the same time, not sure where this "He can't use two Rinnegan techs at once' fanfiction nonsense came from, but it wasn't from the manga, hence the term fanfiction. Where did you get "unable to use 2 Rinnegan Techs" from anyway, considering nothing about Kurama's statement even begins to refer to multiple Rinnegan techniques, just Preta Path and its functions. So Raikiri gets absorbed and Kamui is evaded via Amenotejikara.

Then there's you claiming kakashi didn't blitz her even though he did(with little rikudo chakra mind you)where sasuke with half could even touch her until kakashi, naruto and sakura cut off all her options.

Already explained why it happened, not because he was fast enough to blitz her. You telling me "It did, it did" isn't any kind of retort. Kakashi blitzing her is just as viable as the claim of Sakura blitzing her. Just as viable.

The only wank I see is coming from you.

I can't really say I'm surprised hearing this from you, anyone who challenges Kakashi/Kamui is probably a wanker to you. Lol

 

[Benjamin King]

I can't believe this gone to 6 pages. Kakashi punks his ass.

Intangibility and his speed > Sasuke's teleportation. We saw how Kakashi succeeded and Sasuke failed. Kakashi's PS > Sasuke's PS, considering he has Obito's Chakra on top of Rikudou's. Everything else in Kakashi's arsenal pretty much > Sasuke's arsenal.

Not to mention Kamui snipes.

 

[shelke]

What is this Kakashi's god-like out-of-the-sage's-ass speed everyone is wanking over too hard? Enough to make the damn thing quiver and fall off? Can I actually see some damn scans? If not, then people should keep their fanfictions to themselves.

 

[Unorthodox]

i See strict didnt reply to me though

 

[ARGUS]

I'll try to make it clearer a last time and explicitly prove any point I make. After this effort, if you don't agree, we will all have to agree to disagree.

ok.

@Kifflom
- He doesn't teleport his sword into the target. Madara charged towards Sasuke [

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] and Sasuke switched places with his sword which he threw before [

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], so Madara ended up flying into the sword, while Sasuke appeared at the location where his sword was after he threw it [

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he switched himself with an object, which is pretty much what i stated in my previous post

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in this case, he does it with a sword instead,
kakashi attempts to attack, therefore he solidifies, and sasuke stabs him with a sword or severs him in half,

- Sasuke's s/t speed is on par with Minato's FTG speed, but, Minato has the advantage of marking the object to directly teleport into it. I'll make an example.

The teleportation itself, sure,
however sasukes striking speed and reflexes are leagues above minato,
seeing how RT madara shat on FTG, yet JJ madara was pressured by Sasukes shunshin alone

- When Minato throws his Kunai before the opponents feet, he teleports before him and then attacks from close range [

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This gives the opponent the chance to react to the strike [

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Correct,

- It was the same with Sasuke's teleportation. Madara reacted to Sasuke appearing before him [

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]. He just had no means to counter his Shunshin, since his shadow was immobilized before that [

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], and apart from that, Madara had no technique to protect himself, as he had just one Rinnegan and a stake. The other two times where Sasuke used his teleportation, it was just the same pattern;

it was his shunshin not his S/T,
and madara had kamui to protect himself,

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, however the latters shunshin was clearly fast enough to pressure him,
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- against Naruto: Sasuke teleports behind Naruto and

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(note that Sasuke used his Katon as a distraction to further block Naruto's sight; if Sasuke shots his Katon at Kakashi, Kakashi slips through it with intangibility and stays intangible, so surprising him with teleportation becomes useless).

Doesnt matter, what would blocking narutos LoS even accomplish when naruto has RSM sensing?
and why would he bother shooting something at kakashi when knows he has intangibility to render it useless, and can only attempt to attack him once he solidifies, to attack sasuke himself,

by that time, sasuke uses his S/T and kakashi diess

- against Kaguya: Sasuke teleports next to Kaguya and

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Again, sasuke doesnt need to teleport right next to kakashi,
he can just instantly teleport right at kakashi and coordinate his attack along with his teleportation,
similar to how he did against juubi jin madara

The difference between Naruto and Kaguya was:
Naruto had no means to dodge this Chidori from close range, as forming Chakra-arms or Gudodamas would be too complex, he simply had no time to create a shield or a counter before being hit, but he reacted to Sasuke appearing behind him.

Kaguya on the other hand used a sort of technique which Kakashi also uses, to escape Sasuke's strike; space time technique. Means, she doesn't have to react with a counter attack like Chakra-arms, which she first needs to form, she just needs to slip through her portal.

Naruto had his RSM shunshin to dodge, the same speed that was able to blitz kaguya,

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so this excuse wont cut it,
furthermore, sasuke can directly coordinate his attacks with objects, such as swoord, where things like striking speed wont come into play, nor would kakashis anticipation help him, when the sword will instantlly stab him the moment he attempts to attack,

and kakashi is not reacting to an instant attack that he cant perceive or see in anyway whatsoever,

The conclusion is: The opponent doesn't need to react at Sasuke's Shunshin or strike, he only needs to react at Sasuke appearing, which was always the case.

like i said that isnt viable in all cases, especially when sasuke can instantly attack him, just how minato instantly shat on intangibility

Like it was the case with Madara, who acknowledged Sasuke's speed in an inner dialouge. From there, it's about the opponent to counter or dodge the strike. Madara couldn't counter it, as he had no Limbo and just one Rinnegan. Naruto couldn't counter it because he had no time to form complex counters like Chakra arms. Kaguya could counter it, because he used space time technique to just slip through a portal.

Madara had kamui to counter it,
and naruto had his RSM shunshin to counter it, as well as his

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kakashi on the other hand still has no way of anticipating sasukes attacks,, nor does he have the reflexes or sensing of RSM naruto or Kaguya, so the former 2 reacting to sasukes S/T isnt a valid excuse when kakashi still needs to react in-order to activate his intangiblity, and when sasuke would know to attack him the moment he's solidified to attack

What's the difference between Sasuke's teleportation and Minato's, when the opponent is marked? Minato doesn't appear before the target before he strikes. Teleportation and strike happen in the same instant, hence Minato teleported with his Kunai ahead into Obito. No chance to react.

Incorrect,

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and this is someone who is much slower than Juubi Jin madara,
and again, Sasuke can use his S/T to attack instantly just how he managed to blitz Juubi Jin Madara,
the attack would land instantly just how FTG based attacks land once an opponent is marked,

the only difference is that Sasukes S/T is much more advanced than FTG which has been shat on by weaker and slower people
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, therefore kakashi is not surviving at all especially when he has no time to anticipate or react to Sasukes instant attack,

But against Sasuke, Kakashi will have the chance to react. As soon as Sasuke appears next to Kakashi, his Kamui reacts. Just like Obito reacted to Madara, who wanted to catch his Rinnegan from the closest possible range [

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]. This is how Kakashi as well will react to Sasuke, who strikes from close range after he appeared. If Sasuke could strike the same moment he appears, like Minato, who teleports to a marked destination, he would certainly win. But unfortunately, he never showed he can but only teleporting next to the target, giving him the chance to react.

Like i said, this isnt allways the case which is why ur basis is flawed,
Sasuke doesnt need to come and strike kakashi himsellf when he can instantly use his sword to bisect kakashi,
not to mention that

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just how he did so agaiinst madara,

kakashi here would have no time to react to this attack either, nor would he able to react to a sword stabbing him instantly,
so NO, there really iisnt any difference between FTG and Sasukes S/T, apart from the fact that sasukes S/T is more advanced and doesnt utilise any markings at all, whereas FTG has better range

Thus, Kamui counters Sasuke's s/t technique.

No it doesnt,
kammui is not countering Sasukes S/T when FTG (something thats slower and inferior to Sasukes S/T) shat on it

To answer a few of your points:

Inapplicable comparison. The TSB projectiles were comparable to double Kamui's teleportation, but intangibility is another matter. Once activated, physical matter automatically overlaps with his body, making him passing through it. Like he did it when Madara tried to catch his Rinnegan at the closest range but failed.

Ok, but i dont see how that proves ur point, or how thats even valid
intangiblity is still based on the users reflexes,
if kakashi doesnt have the reflexes to react to sasukes S/T (which he doesnt) then hes not activating it, simple,
moreover, kaakashi is attacked once he solidifies to attack, sasuke would use that opportunity and use his S/T to instatntly attack him, unless you think that instant S/T is slower than intangiblity?

Intangibility is nearly instant; only an attack which he can't see coming (like Minato teleporting right into him), will hit him. Apart from that, there was no attack faster than Obito's intangibility.

The bold confirms my point even more,
Kakashi cant see the attack coming at him, just how Juubi Jin madara couldnt despite having the rinnegan and sensing,
furthermore Intangiblity is ''nearly'' instant, NOT instant,

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therefore its still faster, and will overcome kamui just how FTG did in canon

Even Jin Madara just slipped through him.

Not a validd example since that was a mere hand, it wasnt anywhere near his top speed,

Let's say I was wrong and Kakashi didn't charge towards Kaguya. How it happen doesn't matter, it matters that it happened. Even if Sasuke avoids that with his s/t technique, how long will he able to dodge? Fact is, his s/t technique has an interval, Kamui has no interval.

Doesnt even matter IMO,
Preta should be able to absorb kamui raikiri just fine,
kamui raikiri simply involves kkaashi landing his raikiri which is still just food for preta, and then using kamui to enhance the attacks striking speed, thats it,
the attack itself is still raikiri, which preta shits on

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After such an effort, I can say that we either agree or disagree, but I can't be bothered to spend any more time to discuss this matter. So I won't reply to counters resulted of disagreement.

Ok, but still read my post

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