[VS] Rinnegan Sasuke vs DMS Kakashi

[Jaeger]

- Obito and Kakashi had to obstruct the ash bones to protect Sasuke and Naruto.
- Naruto used an army of Kagebunshin to avoid being hit by the bones.
- Kakashi did kamui the bone away which would have hit Naruto.
- he slipped through Kaguya's attack, when her speed according to Black Zetsu increased.

Do you understand how the intangibility of Kamui works? He doesn't need to react at someone's attacks. The Kamui gives him the ability to overlap with physical objects and become intangible. Automatically. Obito let attacks slip through him which he couldn't see. If Sasuke teleports behind Kakashi and attacks him, his attack slips through him.

2. You can't assume that this form of Chibaku Tensei works against any object. Maybe it only works against objects he controls with his Rinnegan eye, making them to the source of gravity. Even if it would work, still don't see the effectiveness, when Kakashi can just slip through the rocks. Intangibility means he transports his physical body to the other dimension, thus, nothing works against him (also not gravity).

Plus, Sasuke's teleport technique has an interval. Kamui hasn't. His Susanoo is also stronger. Sasuke's Susanoo as well has no counter to Kamui-(Shuriken), each Shuriken being able to absorb PS sized objects.

Because they could not move. Obviously that was contradiction unless you believe dying Obito is faster than Sasuke and Naruto in their Rikudo form.

None of these prove anything because there hasn't been one time they have been hit by the bone. And Kakashi only could go intangible because Susano'O shielded him.

It has been proven that Obito's intangibility is not automatic, Minato blitzed him a few times and he was noy intangible.

And when he does that, Sasuke ends him with Amenotejikara.

No, but his arrows counter it fine.

 

[HiddenSound]

Rinnegan Genjutsu followed by Rinne Teleportation.

 

[Strict]

None of these prove anything because there hasn't been one time they have been hit by the bone. And Kakashi only could go intangible because Susano'O shielded him.

Yes, they were not hit but not because they could dodge. Though Naruto could dodge a bone from behind, which shot out of Kaguya's dimension but then got hit from the front side. It was not because of Susanoo, but because Kakashi could react at it. The bone slipped right through Susanoo like butter.

It has been proven that Obito's intangibility is not automatic, Minato blitzed him a few times and he was noy intangible.

False interpretation. His intangibility is automatic, hence he let attacks slip through him which he didn't see. The difference to the fight with Minato was, that Obito was prepared to lay a hand on Minato, thus being actively solid, since in "Kamui-Mode", he would have slipped through Minato upon physical contact. Minato teleported behind his Kunai, on order to instantly hit (fly into) Obito. But "Kamui-Mode" allows Obito to overlap with other objects upon contact and let him become intangible.

So the counter against intangibility is, to attack the user while he is trying to lay a hand on you, since in this case, he has to be solid. [

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] "He solidifies to counter attack, my only chance is to try and trade hits with him." So if the user of Kamui doesn't attack, he keeps his Kamui active in order to overlap with objects if necessary, as he can assume that the opponent attacks right off the bat. Having Kamui active however doesn't mean he is intangible at that time (for those who argue with the 5 minutes limit). Kamui active means, that his body overlaps with other objects upon contact and becomes intangible.


It should also be mentioned, that Sasuke couldn't blitz Kaguya with Amenotejikara, Kakashi with Kamui however could.

 

[Jaeger]

Yes, they were not hit but not because they could dodge. Though Naruto could dodge a bone from behind, which shot out of Kaguya's dimension but then got hit from the front side. It was not because of Susanoo, but because Kakashi could react at it. The bone slipped right through Susanoo like butter.

Which was a Kage Bunshin and had no knowledge. He was attacked twice, and evaded first strike without knowledge. While Kaguya also used her portal to aid the strike, while it ultimately failed. Sasuke has been challenged twice, but he has never even tried to evade them. Because simply he did not feel the need to. If you had a diamond wall protecting you, would you evade a bullet coming from the other side although you're required to stand still? You'd be stupid if you did. Sasuke had one objective, and if Kakashi had not been there, he would have dodged it.

Still not an impressive feat because they're not that fast when talking about Rikudo tier.

False interpretation. His intangibility is automatic, hence he let attacks slip through him which he didn't see. The difference to the fight with Minato was, that Obito was prepared to lay a hand on Minato, thus being actively solid, since in "Kamui-Mode", he would have slipped through Minato upon physical contact. Minato teleported behind his Kunai, on order to instantly hit (fly into) Obito. But "Kamui-Mode" allows Obito to overlap with other objects upon contact and let him become intangible.

No, if he had been he would have not been touched by Minato here

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. This alone disproves his intangibility being automatic.

So the counter against intangibility is, to attack the user while he is trying to lay a hand on you, since in this case, he has to be solid. [

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] "He solidifies to counter attack, my only chance is to try and trade hits with him." So if the user of Kamui doesn't attack, he keeps his Kamui active in order to overlap with objects if necessary, as he can assume that the opponent attacks right off the bat. Having Kamui active however doesn't mean he is intangible at that time (for those who argue with the 5 minutes limit). Kamui active means, that his body overlaps with other objects upon contact and becomes intangible.

That is when he is intangible.

It should also be mentioned, that Sasuke couldn't blitz Kaguya with Amenotejikara, Kakashi with Kamui however could.

Because he was affected by the gravity and Kaguya changed the worlds and flew away. Kakashi was falling down and Kaguya was flying midair, and Sasuke & Naruto were pressuring her from sides.

 

[RicardoA]

Sasuke would win. Only Naruto can take him on (or Kaguya, or Hagoromo, or Madara).

 

[Strict]

Because he was affected by the gravity and Kaguya changed the worlds and flew away. Kakashi was falling down and Kaguya was flying midair, and Sasuke & Naruto were pressuring her from sides.

Nope. If anything Kakashi was in a worse condition, as he was in the air and had accelerate from their. Fact is, Kakashi blitzed her, Sasuke didn't. Kakashi blitzes by flying right into the opponent like Naruto. Sasuke teleports to the opponent and strikes from there. He doesn't fly into the opponent. Therefore Naruto blitzed Kaguya but not Sasuke.

Kakashi showed the feats to react to Sasuke. If Sasuke only blitzed opponents by flying into them. If Sasuke teleports before or behind Kakashi, he has enough time to react before Sasuke strikes.

 

[Jaeger]

Nope. If anything Kakashi was in a worse condition, as he was in the air and had accelerate from their. Fact is, Kakashi blitzed her, Sasuke didn't. Kakashi blitzes by flying right into the opponent like Naruto. Sasuke teleports to the opponent and strikes from there. He doesn't fly into the opponent. Therefore Naruto blitzed Kaguya but not Sasuke.

Kakashi showed the feats to react to Sasuke. If Sasuke only blitzed opponents by flying into them. If Sasuke teleports before or behind Kakashi, he has enough time to react before Sasuke strikes.

Yeah and because Naruto also didn't reach her before Kakashi did, Kakashi is faster than both and even probably Kaguya. It's plain obvious that Kaguya was not even focusing on Kakashi. Why would she, as immortal, focus on Kakashi? Two guys who can seal her with a touch were charging at her full speed. Makes no sense.

Obviously, either his distance from her was not that big, or Kakashi and Sasuke had much greater distance or it was as I explained.

Yeah... don't think so.

 

[Strict]

Ehm, she faced Kakashi in a direct battle. They were charging towards each other with Kaguya shooting her bones at Kakashi. Kakashi slipped through them and blitzed Kaguya. Means, Kakashi won that clash in canon.

 

[Jaeger]

Ehm, she faced Kakashi in a direct battle. They were charging towards each other with Kaguya shooting her bones at Kakashi. Kakashi slipped through them and blitzed Kaguya. Means, Kakashi won that clash in canon.

That's not a blitz, she had no intel on that while Sasuke does, and if he hadn't been intangible he would have died at the moment Susano'O was pierced. Yeah, too bad he was, but too bad that also Sasuke has a way of evading his attack instantly and blitz him.

He won the clash, but due to reasons. Not here though.

 

[Strict]

Reasons. Any fight has reasons and conditions. Fact is, Kakashi slipped through Kaguya's attack, fact is, he blitzed Kaguya.
I don't know why you repeat that Sasuke blitzes. It's not like Sasuke flies into the opponent like Naruto does (what I explained), hence Naruto blitzed Kaguya but Sasuke not. And Kakashi blitzed Kaguya. All canon. I only refer to canon scans.

Sasuke teleports before his opponent and then attacks him. This is the moment where one can react. Kakashi with an equal amount of Rikudo Chakra and Double Kamui can be measured by Sasuke's and Naruto's standards. Kamui has the feats to react at Sasuke's teleportation.

 

[Jaeger]

Reasons. Any fight has reasons and conditions. Fact is, Kakashi slipped through Kaguya's attack, fact is, he blitzed Kaguya.
I don't know why you repeat that Sasuke blitzes. It's not like Sasuke flies into the opponent like Naruto does (what I explained), hence Naruto blitzed Kaguya but Sasuke not. And Kakashi blitzed Kaguya. All canon. I only refer to canon scans.

Sasuke teleports before his opponent and then attack him. This is the moment where one can react. Kakashi with an equal amount of Rikudo Chakra and Double Kamui can be measured by Sasuke's and Naruto's standards. Kamui has the feats to react at Sasuke's teleportation.

It's a fact, but it's also a fact that she had no intel and was pressured. Why do you think Kakashi could blitz Kakuzu but was manhandled in CQC after that? Pressure. Dude, this is so obvious you make me feel like I'm narrating the scan itself.

Yeah, Sasuke blitzes because he can blitz. Kakashi doesn't blitz because he can't blitz. Sasuke already blitzed RSM Naruto, and we all saw how much faster in terms of reactions, reflexes and speed Naruto is than Kakashi. Are you now telling me that Kakashi fairs any better? Think twice man.

Sasuke was in a land where gravity was at it's strongest. Of course he did not fair any better, than a guy who can walk up to someone and chop their head off because he can't be hurt.

At the bold, you know this is a load of bull man.

 

[Strict]

She was not pressured..

Kakashi single-handedly charged towards Kaguya; Sasuke and Naruto intervened after the clash. Kaguya already had intel on Susanoo. She also had intel on Kamui, as Obito sniped the bone which flew towards Kakashi. And he also used Kamui to enter Kaguya's dimension and come back. The fact that Kakashi managed to win a direct clash with Kaguya speaks for itself.

It was a 1 vs 1 clash with no cowardice like striking from behind. A direct clash which Kakashi won. Canon. Stop downgrading it.

 

[Jaeger]

She was not pressured..

Kakashi single-handedly charged towards Kaguya; Sasuke and Naruto intervened after the clash. Kaguya already had intel on Susanoo. She also had intel on Kamui, as Obito sniped the bone which flew towards Kakashi. And he also used Kamui to enter Kaguya's dimension and come back. The fact that Kakashi managed to win a direct clash with Kaguya speaks for itself.

It was a 1 vs 1 clash with no cowardice like striking from behind. A direct clash which Kakashi won. Canon. Stop downgrading it.

Yeah, even though Naruto left at the exact same time as Kakashi

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? No, she was pressured. And she had no intel on the intangibility, using this logic would mean that Tobi would have been found out day one, but wasn't. She never witnessed the intangibility beforehand, only Black Zetsu had and even he was surprised.

Cowardice by using intangibility, which she had no intel on, and was pressured by two other Rikudo level sealers. I bet that because Suigetsu can chop off Tsunade's head but Tsunade can't do the same to Suigetsu he is playing fair.

 

[Strict]

Sasuke and Naruto charged towards her after the clash was already over [

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]. Means, it was a 1 vs. 1 since neither Naruto, nor Sasuke intervened during the clash. It was a 1 vs 1. No one pressurized Kaguya during the clash with Kakashi.

And I don't know what you consider cowardice, but I don't consider cowardice using the abilities I possess. Kakashi has the haxxed ability to slip through anything so he uses it, that makes him overpowered.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Kakashi reks.

 

[KidGamer65]

This means that their Susanoo will be equal, until Sasuke uses Chidori with his Susanoo. Eventually he breaks through. Then when Kakashi becomes tangible to attack him, at any given moment, Sasuke uses Amenotejikara and finishes him off.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Sasuke negs.

Stop making these lol.

 

[Jaeger]

Strict you probably hit your head or something.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

This means that their Susanoo will be equal, until Sasuke uses Chidori with his Susanoo. Eventually he breaks through. Then when Kakashi becomes tangible to attack him, at any given moment, Sasuke uses Amenotejikara and finishes him off.

Kakashi can fight while intangible

 

[Strict]

Strict you probably hit your head or something.

Yes, I hit my head with canon scans. A canon scan showing that Kakashi wins a clash with Kaguya, the strongest individual. Yet the imagination of a Kakashi with equal amount of Rikudo Chakra, double Kamui and Kamui PS fighting on par with Sasuke sounds absurd to you.

And Kakashi's Susanoo is superior due to Kamui Shuriken. Using Chidori with his PS can also be done by Kakashi. He is also able to use Chidori, even Raikiri, which is a superior form. So he as well carries Raiton Chakra into Susanoo's hand to form Raikiri.