Why is this thought to be slow?

[lanakui8]

You are simply not understanding the thread. Manda is faster than alot of characters I would love to see jounins outrun him, he makes up for his largeness with his speed so his largeness only shows how how much of an area the acid hits.

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army like its nothing. Snakes can slither quickly through anything however tiny humans cannot.

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thatʻs the same path that

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If manda had half devaʻs speed, he would have been outright blitzing gamabunta, not beating him with deceptive tactics and tricks.

Kages=Jounin :|
Katsuyu comes in Different sizes

kages being faster than jounins is irrelevant when manda is thousands of times larger than jounins.

smaller kaguya = less acid = easier to avoid the attack.

 

[RedRobin]

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thatʻs the same path that

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If manda had half devaʻs speed, he would have been outright blitzing gamabunta, not beating him with deceptive tactics and tricks.


kages being faster than jounins is irrelevant when manda is thousands of times larger than jounins.

smaller kaguya = less acid = easier to avoid the attack.

I am not trying to argue that its fast however I am trying change this misconception that its dodged easily by everyone. Which if you look every time acid is mentioned its simply brushed off as slow and can be dodged.

And Deva path isnt slow.

 

[BLAZE]

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kages being faster than jounins is irrelevant when manda is thousands of times larger than jounins.

Genralising.u r comparing Kages to all the jounins.
Some can be Kage lvl but most ge Wrecked hard

.smaller kaguya = less acid = easier to avoid the attack.

There won't be a Single Slug
OT: Exhausted Deva Path Outran Kyuubified Naruto.Is Deva Path slow

 

[Apêx1]

Burden of proof fallacy. You are the one who needs to prove it has said speed, not the other way around. And with its current feats, there's nothing to scale its speed on as it has never made contact with any decently fast character, let alone anyone at all. Provide an argument as to why it is fast, and then you can deny all the deniers themselves.

 

[lanakui8]

Genralising.u r comparing Kages to all the jounins.
Some can be Kage lvl but most ge Wrecked hard

no, iʻm comparing standard kage to standard jounin. Standard kages are significantly faster than standard jounin, but not to the point where the kages could be 1,000 times a larger target than the jounin and be able to dodge an attack while the jounin canʻt.

There won't be a Single Slug
OT: Exhausted Deva Path Outran Kyuubified Naruto.Is Deva Path slow

he never outran KN6 naruto, and he had his powers back + was getting closer and closer to nagato which made him even stronger. when heʻs in the middle of konoha (like he was against bunta)

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Plus, thereʻs the fact that base naruto held him off... unless of course you think that exhausted base naruto is suppose to be some sort of speedster.

Itʻs irrelevant if thereʻs a single slug or not since the thread is whether or not that particular attack is slow. having thousands of small slugs firing that attack might make it hard to evade, but it doesnʻt make that attack any faster.

I am not trying to argue that its fast however I am trying change this misconception that its dodged easily by everyone. Which if you look every time acid is mentioned its simply brushed off as slow and can be dodged.

And Deva path isnt slow.

my words in my first post: "I donʻt think kaguyaʻs acid is slow, but itʻs not all that fast either"
Itʻs probably easily dodged by all kage levels if they are on the defensive, but that doesnʻt apply to all situations since theyʻll be playing on the defensive sometimes and trying to attack sometimes which makes the acid a viable counterattack where ability to dodge is compromised.

Also, while deva path isnʻt slow, heʻs not considered a speedster either at least when he doesnʻt have his gravity powers.

 

[RedRobin]

Burden of proof fallacy. You are the one who needs to prove it has said speed, not the other way around. And with its current feats, there's nothing to scale its speed on as it has never made contact with any decently fast character, let alone anyone at all. Provide an argument as to why it is fast, and then you can deny all the deniers themselves.

Katsuyu's size and the acid's attack range are enough to show its not something easily dodged.

Big globs of acid are shot across a big distance, maybe not big for the giant summonings but definitely a good distance for human sized characters which would work even greater against someone coming close to Katsuyu as she can just spit right down instead of across.

 

[Ansatsuken]

no, iʻm comparing standard kage to standard jounin. Standard kages are significantly faster than standard jounin, but not to the point where the kages could be 1,000 times a larger target than the jounin and be able to dodge an attack while the jounin canʻt.


he never outran KN6 naruto, and he had his powers back + was getting closer and closer to nagato which made him even stronger. when heʻs in the middle of konoha (like he was against bunta)

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Plus, thereʻs the fact that base naruto held him off... unless of course you think that exhausted base naruto is suppose to be some sort of speedster.

Itʻs irrelevant if thereʻs a single slug or not since the thread is whether or not that particular attack is slow. having thousands of small slugs firing that attack might make it hard to evade, but it doesnʻt make that attack any faster.

What about your argument for Kages like Gokage avoid the big construct like Shinnsusenju and our beloved Madara PS.

Because the case here is still the same. Because of the size you are talking about

Please don't be biased toward Madara PS

 

[Apêx1]

Katsuyu's size and the acid's attack range are enough to show its not something easily dodged.

Big globs of acid are shot across a big distance, maybe not big for the giant summonings but definitely a good distance for human sized characters which would work even greater against someone coming close to Katsuyu as she can just spit right down instead of across.

I agree it is big. I agree it has some speed. Fact remains that it has never hit someone, and Manda dodged despite not having great speed feats, yet an enormous surface area. Either way, nothing implies it is fast enough to hit most of the shinobi she is matched up against, nor was it ever portrayed to be fast. Spitting down would make it faster like you claim, but it still doesn't imply it will hit said opponent due to its lack of feats.

 

[BLAZE]

no, iʻm comparing standard kage to standard jounin. Standard kages are significantly faster than standard jounin, but not to the point where the kages could be 1,000 times a larger target than the jounin and be able to dodge an attack while the jounin canʻt.

Not when the attacker multiply X thousand parts their size and spit Acid

he never outran KN6 naruto, and he had his powers back + was getting closer and closer to nagato which made him even stronger. when heʻs in the middle of konoha (like he was against bunta)

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Didn't Kyuubified Naruto chased Deva path in forest before getting caught in CT

 

[Ansatsuken]

Not when the attacker multiply X thousand parts their size and spit Acid





Didn't Kyuubified Naruto chased Deva path in forest before getting caught in CT
my words in my first post: "I donʻt think kaguyaʻs acid is slow, but itʻs not all that fast either"
Itʻs probably easily dodged by all kage levels if they are on the defensive, but that doesnʻt apply to all situations since theyʻll be playing on the defensive sometimes and trying to attack sometimes which makes the acid a viable counterattack where ability to dodge is compromised.

Also, while deva path isnʻt slow, heʻs not considered a speedster either at least when he doesnʻt have his gravity powers.

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Kaguya acid is a dimension not an attack. why brought that up?

 

[BLAZE]

Kaguya acid is a dimension not an attack. why brought that up?

Lmao Katsuyu dude not Kaguya

 

[lanakui8]

What about your argument for Kages like Gokage avoid the big construct like Shinnsusenju and our beloved Madara PS.

Because the case here is still the same. Because of the size you are talking about

Please don't be biased toward Madara PS

When in the world did I ever suggest the gokage avoid shinsuusenjuu or PS?

Not when the attacker multiply X thousand parts their size and spit Acid

first off, if the attackers are thousands of times smaller, then the range of their individual techniques will be thousands of times shorter and they wouldnʻt even reach manda at that distance.

Second, like i already told you, katsuyu splitting is irrelevant to the thread since firing off thousands of smaller attacks might be harder to avoid than one big attack, but if itʻs not harder to avoid due to its speed, then it has nothing to do with the attack

Didn't Kyuubified Naruto chased Deva path in forest before getting caught in CT

yep, explained by deva having his gravity powers and getting stronger the closer he got to nagato. Unless you want to assert that base naruto is on the same speed tier as KN6 naruto.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Kaguya acid is a dimension not an attack. why brought that up?

Lmao Katsuyu dude not Kaguya[/QUOTE]

But your post state Kaguya not Katsuya or I'm miss read here and I need a rinnegan to decipher your post LOL

 

[paratise]

I think people equal or above 3,5 in speed can dodge it. Not too slow but not not too fast either. Average Joe is not dodging that but decently formidable jounin levels have it ways around it.

 

[Ansatsuken]

When in the world did I ever suggest the gokage avoid shinsuusenjuu or PS?

Because the case here a about massive size we talking here, whether it Katsuya or PS, they still share similar trait that is massive in size.

And by your logic anything massive, their attack is easy to avoid or counter by Standard Kage speed. It no matter if they throw an acid from mouth or a sword slash from PS.

Key word here of your logic is massive = easy to avoid and ignore other trait.

Read back your post for clarification.

 

[BLAZE]

Lmao Katsuyu dude not Kaguya

But your post state Kaguya not Katsuya or I'm miss read here and I need a rinnegan to decipher your post LOL

Dat was Not my Post.I accidently posted last part of lanakui8's post

 

[lanakui8]

Because the case here a about massive size we talking here, whether it Katsuya or PS, they still share similar trait that is massive in size.

And by your logic anything massive, their attack is easy to avoid or counter by Standard Kage speed. It no matter if they throw an acid from mouth or a sword slash from PS.

Key word here of your logic is massive = easy to avoid and ignore other trait.

Read back your post for clarification.

I have literally no idea where you got the bolded from. My reasoning for kages to avoid the acid is that manda avoided it despite being huge, and people like powerless deva path are massively faster than bunta who fought against manda. If manda was anywhere near as fast as deva, he would have been blitzing bunta no diff, not needing to use deceptive tactics to hit bunta.

If madara slashed at manda and manda dodged it, then Iʻd assert that kages could dodge it as well from whatever range manda dodged it, but that never happened and I highly doubt that would ever happen considering how fast madaraʻs PS slashes are and how huge their AoE is. Then thereʻs the fact that EMS Sasuke has tagged people like juubito with his V3 susanoo sword which would give madaraʻs PS that same feat unless you think sasukeʻs susanoo is superior.

 

[RedRobin]

I think people equal or above 3,5 in speed can dodge it. Not too slow but not not too fast either. Average Joe is not dodging that but decently formidable jounin levels have it ways around it.

Can you explain why you limited it to 3.5?

 

[Ansatsuken]

I have literally no idea where you got the bolded from. My reasoning for kages to avoid the acid is that manda avoided it despite being huge, and people like powerless deva path are massively faster than bunta who fought against manda. If manda was anywhere near as fast as deva, he would have been blitzing bunta no diff, not needing to use deceptive tactics to hit bunta.

If madara slashed at manda and manda dodged it, then Iʻd assert that kages could dodge it as well from whatever range manda dodged it, but that never happened and I highly doubt that would ever happen considering how fast madaraʻs PS slashes are and how huge their AoE is. Then thereʻs the fact that EMS Sasuke has tagged people like juubito with his V3 susanoo sword which would give madaraʻs PS that same feat unless you think sasukeʻs susanoo is superior.

Good nice to know

 

[paratise]

Can you explain why you limited it to 3.5?

I dunno, i want to pick a speed above average but not so high, i don't fully argue for stats though.

For ex. The slowests who would dodge acid would be people like Tsunade , part 1 base Lee, Sakura.