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Madara isn't stopping him from forming a large Bijuu Dama.
Fair enough. It's fast, but still not comparable to the speed he launches his continuous TBB's at. Anyways, I didn't know you could calculate panel time to know it was a single second, and not more. I agree it's fast, but not as fast as you are suggesting. More so, PS's shockwave and sword move at extreme speeds, as shown when he was capable of spinning his sword so quickly that the shockwave reached each mountain at a nigh identical time, portrayed by the mountains top being at the same elevated place in each [
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]. If PS is active while Minato attempts this, than his Super Bijuu Dama explodes in his face, and Madara's PS, which is somewhat far from the epicentre, tanks. If Minato is close, than a simple Shinra Tensei should make him lose control while charging TBB. Inb4 the second it is charged, it is fired. Madara's sharingan perceiving chakra build up and his quickness to act don't allow for such.
I've posted a counter to this. Warping them straight onto markings in the battlefield prevents him from changing their trajectory. Not to mention without knowing exactly how he could change their trajectory, making an argument saying he'll do this against Minato's Bijuu Dama is hard. You don't if the way the Bijuu Dama were set up lets him change it, nor do you know if he needed the alliance to make the Doton Wall before he could deviate it to sea.
What I do know, is that when Hashirama needed to deviate a Bijuu Dama's trajectory, he used Rashomon and not Jukai Kotan. That says something.
That's implying they are right underneath the PS, which is unlikely ever the case, since a single step on an FTG kunai would destroy it. Randomly firing shockwaves at FTG kunai's on the floor would destroy the entire land scape and its present FTG kunai's rather easily.More so, Madara can track any FTG kunai location around him if the Raikage, who had no sharingan, could. Given this, Madara either stays away from them, has a clone dispose of them, or stomps on them. And I'm not saying he'll destroy them all, only the ones which are nearby and have the potential to endanger him. Doesn't matter, changing trajectory is changing trajectory. How the Tree is set up is irrelevant when it is being fired in the same way all TBB's are (unless you have some form of implication/evidence to deny this), and the fact that Doton walls being assumed to work by Hashirama, when he wasn't even on the battlefield when they were used, is fallacious.
No, it doesn't. The difference back then was that the TBB had destructive and penetrative properties [
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], whereas against the TBB tree it only has its destructive properties since it has none of the Susano swords attached to it. Mokuton is weak to cutting techniques, and strong/resistant to high pressure/destructive capability techniques (to some extent). Hence, the usage of the Rashomon, which logically isn't weak to penetrative force due to its thick steel like structure, makes it deal in comparison to the Jukai Kotan. So no, it says nothing whatsoever.
That proves that B's Standard Bijuu Dama contains less chakra than his V2 State. Kurama has much more chakra and casually throws at much much larger Bijuu Dama. This doesn't begin to prove that Minato's Super Bijuu Dama contains less chakra in it than 1 V2 Cloak from Killer B.
Asura Path is useless since more hands doesn't mean faster absorption.
Deva has a 5 second limit which Minato can easily abuse, and Susanoo can't be used while Preta Path is active. Even if its a clone, as the original Madara failed to absorb the Jinton properly because his clones were using Susanoo.
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True, but I didn't mean his Super Bijuu Dama. I am simply implying a normal TBB from Kurama is in fact absorbable. A super Bijuu Dama is deflectable via Jukai Kotan.
Never claimed it did. I am saying Madara having extra limbs means the ability to use his gunbai to lay off the incoming clone you speak of, who somehow bypassed a Susano clone mokuton wiedling clone, and Deva clone. More so, nothing implies once one clone uses Deva, all clones attempting to use Deva are restricted by the 5 second limit. That has nothing to support it, thus 5 Mokuton clones, firing off one ST after another, along with the original doing so, allows for a safe Preta absorption. This isn't factoring in the clone using Mokuton, nor is it factoring in the clone using Susano.
Madara using 25 clones and having them use Susano is different than using 1 Susano wielding clone and using Preta. Anyhow, the Susano clone being out is simply an option. Rinnegan and Mokuton wielding clones are more than enough for stalling.
ST isn't going to do anything, PS shockwaves are blocked by the tails. Same goes for any other long range projectile, assuming it'd even be strong enough to interrupt the Bijuu Dama.
ST pushes Kurama back rather easily, when Deva Path's unconcentrated, small scale Shinra Tensei pushed back 3 toads hundred of meters away and put them on the verge of death. The weight difference isn't that big, and factoring in the fact that this ST is concentrated and on a completely superior level than Deva's, it's safe to say Kurama is pushed pretty far back. PS will be addressed later on, when you elaborate. It disrupts the chakra system in the body, Kyuubi is no exception of this. He can overpower it, sure, but it still will have a temporarily detrimental effect on the chakra moulding, invalidating his TBB.
He had to use a rock to deflect the Bijuu Dama. He didn't interrupt it. And there is no rock large enough in this area that he can grab and use to smack Minato in the face, and divert his mouth away so that the Bijuu Dama misses. Especially when he can block with his tails.
Location is unspecified. More so, Nagato was capable of pulling out stones from the middle of the water, I'm sure random stones or objects will be lying around, in which Nagato can use to make the TBB backfire. Blocking it with his tails is assuming he has knowledge of it, or can sense. Neither is the case, so I'll deem it improbable.
And Madara needs to be close to apply his chakra rods, as he doesn't have the large ones Obito used, nor does he have a way to apply them from long range like Obito did. And if he gets close, he gets murked...not like he'd be able to get close and apply enough chakra rods to suppress Minato before Bijuu Dama is charged and fired anyway.
Based on what? Obito has Madara's Rinnegan at the end of the day, so there's noo reason for him not to have them. Madara can always throw them, so I don't see your point.
Why? Naruto smacked 5 Bijuu Dama away when he first went Bijuu Mode, and it didn't explode until slamming into the Mountains. Using Shinra Tensei to push it back will just push it back and nothing else..allowing Minato to hit it back at Madara with his tails, or by making one of equal size and slamming them both into him during the cooldown.
Except he won't be far enough away for it to make a real difference.
That's different. Naruto created an equilibrium with the other TBB's, and it only exploded upon contact with something else because the TBB itself didn't trigger such a thing at equilibrium. Minato's TBB being touched by another force when it isn't moving will conclude in an explosion, in the same way 100% Kurama's TBB exploded once it made contact with the floor after being teleported, when Bunta briefly sat on him. Can't tell what you are hinting at, but it sounds like you are making the TBB into some form of volleyball, which isn't a plausible scenario.
The difference is in fact massive. Energy decay is exponential. The further he is from the epicentre, the less chakra quantity per unit area. Apart from the fact tat he can use Mokuton constructs to protect himself from the explosion, Madara could've simply use Jukai Kotan in the first place to counter the Super Bijuu Dama. Only regular TBB attempts will get ST attempted, Super Bijuu Dama gets deflected.
Uh, yes it does. The Juubi Laser doesn't explode as the manga shows, it penetrates. So that renders this whole comparison invalid. Not to mention PS blades being cutting attacks while Bijuu Dama is an explosive attack doesn't mean that one will kill him on impact while the other won't. Makes no sense. At the end of the day, all attacks output energy and the one that outputs the least energy is the weaker one. PS Slash takes the power of a Bijuu Dama and focuses it along the edge of the blade instead of spreading it out explosive wise, so it'd probably do more damage to Naruto than a normal Bijuu Dama would. But there is zero evidence I see from your post that PS Slashes output more energy along its edge than the Juubi Laser did as a whole.
Hachibi is a terrible example since his tentacles aren't shown to be durable, and he was seriously injured when he took his Bijuu Dama. Overall, the Bijuu Dama did more damage to him than any attack that has ever cut his body has ever done to him. So I'm not seeing your point. Not to mention you aren't factoring in damage per unit area. Weaker attacks can do more damage than stronger attacks if they affect a lesser amount of area on the target. Rasengan might not do as much damage as Chidori did to Ay because Chidori focuses the power Rasengan has into a single point, while Rasengan spreads it all out. The only way you could say a cutting attack or a piercing attack is automatically superior, is if you are talking about an explosive attack that is equal in output to the piercing attack.
It's not a complete penetrative attack. You can clearly see the chakra dispersing from where it begins to find its way past Naruto [
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] like when water at high speeds is shot at a held-in-place ball. It doesn't stay in a controlled direction, so it's more like a high pressure chakra beam rather an in-place slice of penetrative abilities. So no, it's not a penetration attack at all, otherwise it wouldn't have had such an effect upon contact with the Kyuubi. Again, no. I have already showed the comparison before. Unless the BM cloak has shown resistance to piercing attacks like it has shown resistance to explosive attacks, it cannot tank PS's shockwaves. I could require 1000000000 kJ to put a slight burn on a certain metaphysical material, and
this amount of energy is being heated on the material alone, not on a large scale, but only require 10 J of energy to have a knife go through one end of the material and out the other. Not that it matters, but the PS shockwave targets a much smaller area than the Juubi laser. So until BM's cloak shows some resistance to penetrative attacks on the scale of PS shockwaves, I have no reason to accept this Non - Sequitur, in which you think because he can tank explosive energy blasts, he can tank extremely concentrated attacks with penetrative properties. I've seen you argue this many times. It's wrong and goes against accepted physics, in which an energy blast and a penetrative attack have no correlation to their energy outputs in regards to their chances of achieving a desired outcome.
I am saying his tails require TBB levels of energy to be damaged, when a simple shuriken can in fact slice them with the least of difficulties. It goes against the fact hat penetrative and explosive powers are only relevant based on energy output; since the suriken has much less energy on that one point than the TBB does.
"Different types of attacks" isn't a good enough reason for me to believe that PS Slashes, which only have the power of a standard Bijuu Dama focused on the edge
Cutting Attacks and Explosive Attacks not being the same doesn't give you the right to claim that PS cuts through the Kurama Avatar with no evidence backing it. Seen so many people use this argument....lol.
Should be.
That is exactly why he isn't doing all of the stuff that you say he is going to do at once. His Chakra Pool hasn't changed, the only difference is that their chakra regenerates back to full as they use it up.
Okay. 5 clones. 2 Rinne's, 2 Mokuton's, and 1 EMS in the case Madara switches to Rinnegan.
1. Read above for Bijuu Dama.
2. Madara can't use the Gedo as an Edo Tensei.
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3. Flower Tree World isn't an option.
1. Read
2. Fair enough
3. But it is. Madara uses it while a clone uses Jukai Kotan in the case a TBB is attempted to counter.
