[VS] BM Minato vs Edo Madara

[Great Master Minato]

Minato Is Clearly Superior Here As Proved By KidGamer65...Yet Fanboys Voted Madara...

 

[Unorthodox]

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, not the juubi dama

Looks like you learned from our Nagato debate

That is a Bijuu Dama, it's only being used in a laser form, similar to what Hachibi used on Suigetsu.

Not even close blast bijuu damas explode ill explain below why that feat from Kurama avatar is shit

The laser doesn't explode.

My point exactly


Blah blah Madara wins Shockwaves > Bijuu or flying ps blades > Bijuu dama and dont say he cant do it without kurama tbbs that argument was terrible by the way because he already shown he can throw and even controll his susanoo sword

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this is a quote from me & Kiffloms old debate

Your making a big mistake everytime you mention the Kurama avatar because the juubi laser was piercing force

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as it was able to destroy the the tips of Kurama's tails. The Kurama avatar didnt tank a full powered Juubi laser you can see in that scan i posted that the juubi laser didnt explode it was focused like a beam similar to this

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thus it didnt have an explosion witch means it wasit at full power when Naruto blocked it so before you use The Kurama avatar tanked a mountain vaporizer argument you need to re look at the manga. The tailed beast bomb that juubi shot witch is noticeable for destroying mountains was actually the a Tailed beast blast like this

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also it was much larger shown you can see how the ground was grazed afterwards.

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the first tailed beast bomb Juubi shot hasit shown no feats compared to that one so no the Kurama avatar hasit shown that much durability furthermore killerbee is an example that tailed beast cannot even tanked their own tailed beast bomb

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let alone the Juubi's.


Madara wins med diff Perfect susanoo is above the Bm kurama no matter whos using

 

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Minato Is Clearly Superior Here As Proved By KidGamer65...Yet Fanboys Voted Madara...

Minato should just FTG Edo Madara sitting

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as he can. He was wide Open when using Outer Patch on Obito

For you it should be like this::
BM Minato>>Tobirama>>Edo Madara

As People who have only FTG are stronger

 

[Great Master Minato]

Minato should just FTG Edo Madara sitting Here:

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if he can. He was wide Open when using Outer Patch on Obito

For you it is like this::
BM Minato>>Tobirama>>Edo Madara

As People who have only FTG are stronger

Nope Tobirama Has Nothing Against PS...EMS Madara Would Wreck Him...

 

[TRE MERCER]

Im bored who trying to debate with this?

I don't know how Madara would get away frm TBB barrage and then RDS..!!

Let's see a 360 shock wave should suffice. RDS? L0l Orochimaru already showed that you can fight back while getting your soul ripped out with that being said he gets within that range of Madara can use clones or Mokuton to attack Minato.

 

[Apêx1]

Madara should win. His Rinnegan feats are on Nagato's level at the absolute least. His chakra is much more potent and large in quantities, so implicatively, it should be leagues beyond Nagato, coupled with the fact he is the original eye owner with Hashirama's Senju DNA. For the sake of argument, I will say he is healthy Nagato level. His Rinnegan levels large sections of forests, he can absorb attacks, use mechanised armour, use CT, etc. Knowing that, Madara should most definitely defeat BM Minato. His TBB is tanked, and his continuous TBB can be absorbed/trajectory changed. ST can cause the TBB's to backfire while being prepped, or simply explode long before making contact with Madara, meaning he's no in the epicentre of the intense explosion. PS shockwaves would one shot Minato, but FTG is in the way of that. To counter FTG, there are several available methods. One method is to create Mokuton Bunshin's which can dispose of the FTG kunai's present in the location. Flowering Tree World's AOE is large enough to cover any FTG kunai radius. Inb4 Kunai's are put 20km away just in case, or teleport to Mt. Myokubo and comes back. If Raikage could keep track of their locations, than a highly adept sharingan user most certainly can. Either way, once the FTG kunai's are disposed of, Mokuton bunshins using Mokuton jutsu's and the original Madara using his Rinnegan and PS techniques make this a mid diff fight.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Madara should win. His Rinnegan feats are on Nagato's level at the absolute least. His chakra is much more potent and large in quantities, so implicatively, it should be leagues beyond Nagato, coupled with the fact he is the original eye owner with Hashirama's Senju DNA. For the sake of argument, I will say he is healthy Nagato level. His Rinnegan levels large sections of forests, he can absorb attacks, use mechanised armour, use CT, etc. Knowing that, Madara should most definitely defeat BM Minato. His TBB is tanked, and his continuous TBB can be absorbed/trajectory changed. ST can cause the TBB's to backfire while being prepped, or simply explode long before making contact with Madara, meaning he's no in the epicentre of the intense explosion. PS shockwaves would one shot Minato, but FTG is in the way of that. To counter FTG, there are several available methods. One method is to create Mokuton Bunshin's which can dispose of the FTG kunai's present in the location. Flowering Tree World's AOE is large enough to cover any FTG kunai radius. Inb4 Kunai's are put 20km away just in case, or teleport to Mt. Myokubo and comes back. If Raikage could keep track of their locations, than a highly adept sharingan user most certainly can. Either way, once the FTG kunai's are disposed of, Mokuton bunshins using Mokuton jutsu's and the original Madara using his Rinnegan and PS techniques make this a mid diff fight.

Im going with Apêx. I dont have the energy to debate this match up anymore, so I want to see someone counter him.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Madara should win. His Rinnegan feats are on Nagato's level at the absolute least. His chakra is much more potent and large in quantities, so implicatively, it should be leagues beyond Nagato, coupled with the fact he is the original eye owner with Hashirama's Senju DNA. For the sake of argument, I will say he is healthy Nagato level. His Rinnegan levels large sections of forests, he can absorb attacks, use mechanised armour, use CT, etc. Knowing that, Madara should most definitely defeat BM Minato. His TBB is tanked, and his continuous TBB can be absorbed/trajectory changed. ST can cause the TBB's to backfire while being prepped, or simply explode long before making contact with Madara, meaning he's no in the epicentre of the intense explosion. PS shockwaves would one shot Minato, but FTG is in the way of that. To counter FTG, there are several available methods. One method is to create Mokuton Bunshin's which can dispose of the FTG kunai's present in the location. Flowering Tree World's AOE is large enough to cover any FTG kunai radius. Inb4 Kunai's are put 20km away just in case, or teleport to Mt. Myokubo and comes back. If Raikage could keep track of their locations, than a highly adept sharingan user most certainly can. Either way, once the FTG kunai's are disposed of, Mokuton bunshins using Mokuton jutsu's and the original Madara using his Rinnegan and PS techniques make this a mid diff fight.

Pretty much this. But lets stick to feats strictly and remove CT and ST Madara still wins. Mokuton forest isn't getting destroyed simply because Madara can lace them with Mokuton clones once he uses Pollen world/Wood forest his clones simply come out of the Tree branches and use Preta path and To absorb a Tbb Mulitple clones using Preta would easily absorb a Tbb.

 

[Misconception]

Edo Madara wins this for obvious reason to lazy to go into detail...

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara should win. His Rinnegan feats are on Nagato's level at the absolute least. His chakra is much more potent and large in quantities, so implicatively, it should be leagues beyond Nagato, coupled with the fact he is the original eye owner with Hashirama's Senju DNA. For the sake of argument, I will say he is healthy Nagato level.

I'll agree here.



His Rinnegan levels large sections of forests, he can absorb attacks, use mechanised armour, use CT, etc. Knowing that, Madara should most definitely defeat BM Minato. His TBB is tanked, and his continuous TBB can be absorbed/trajectory changed. [/QUOTE]

1. Preta Path absorbing Minato's Large Bijuu Dama, or 4 Bijuu Dama at once is a no limits fallacy at its finest. Even if we assume he can pull it off, that'd give Minato more than enough time to blitz him with Shunshin, mark him, and end him, since he can't protect himself with Susanoo while absorbing Bijuu Dama, and Deva Path has a 5 second cooldown.

2. Lol. PS isn't tanking Super Bijuu Dama. Not when it got destroyed by something with firepower equal to 11 Bijuu Dama w/ PS Blades in them. 2 of these is enough to completely eradicate the construct.

3. And how will he change their trajectory? Nevertheless, Minato can warp them right to any of his markings, so that isn't an issue.

ST can cause the TBB's to backfire while being prepped, or simply explode long before making contact with Madara, meaning he's no in the epicentre of the intense explosion.

1. Based on what? Pushing him backwards isn't going to cause the Bijuu Dama to spontaneously explode. That doesn't make sense.

2. Shinra Tensei is a repulsive force. If strong enough, it'd repel the Bijuu Dama, not cause it to explode. Not to mention he won't be too far from Minato, so even if he makes the ball explode, he'll be close enough to the epicenter due to the sheer size of the explosion.

PS shockwaves would one shot Minato, but FTG is in the way of that. To counter FTG, there are several available methods.

Lol.........Mountain Level DC shockwaves are going to one shot the guy with the Kurama Avatar that tanked the Mountain Range Leveled Juubi Laser? Yeah, obviously not happening. PS slashes get tanked by the Avatar's tails.

One method is to create Mokuton Bunshin's which can dispose of the FTG kunai's present in the location.

How will they dispose of them? Though that is a great way to get his clones killed since Minato can also use clones and have them teleport right to the marking if they try to grab them. There's also the fact that Edo Madara doesn't have the chakra feats to use multiple clones while using Perfect Susanoo.

Flowering Tree World's AOE is large enough to cover any FTG kunai radius. Inb4 Kunai's are put 20km away just in case, or teleport to Mt. Myokubo and comes back. If Raikage could keep track of their locations, than a highly adept sharingan user most certainly can. Either way, once the FTG kunai's are disposed of, Mokuton bunshins using Mokuton jutsu's and the original Madara using his Rinnegan and PS techniques make this a mid diff fight.

Bijuu Dama blows up the Flower World, so its irrelevant, and once again. Madara doesn't have the chakra feats to have his clones using Mokuton Jutsu while he uses Perfect Susanoo and Rinnegan techniques.

 

[Minator93]

Minato wins.

As some point will try to absorb Minato's attacks as he did with the Kakes the entire time. The first time he does that, he will get fucked. When he creates this chakra link between himself and Minato, he will be Minato's B for his entire life. U_U

Minato can Literally play with him however he likes after that. XD

Agreed completely.

 

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Lol.........Mountain Level DC shockwaves are going to one shot the guy with the Kurama Avatar that tanked the Mountain Range Leveled Juubi Laser? Yeah, obviously not happening. PS slashes get tanked by the Avatar's tails.


How will they dispose of them? Though that is a great way to get his clones killed since Minato can also use clones and have them teleport right to the marking if they try to grab them. There's also the fact that Edo Madara doesn't have the chakra feats to use multiple clones while using Perfect Susanoo.


Bijuu Dama blows up the Flower World, so its irrelevant, and once again. Madara doesn't have the chakra feats to have his clones using Mokuton Jutsu while he uses Perfect Susanoo and Rinnegan techniques.

Minato Kyuubi agreed for the duble rasengan is because of Naruto cooling down his half

Tobirama clams to be weaker than EMS Madara, and Tobirama has already displayed better reaction feats than Minato

Minato is better not better in Tai Jutsu than Madara and Madara cannot catch him. If madara get outer path on Minato it's over
The rennigan can see it before a person arrives using any instant transmission that includes FTG. Madara can use a wooded clone to kill minato. The 50% Kyuubi Bijju Dama cannot harm Madara PS.

 

[Ababeel]

I wonder how is Tobirama's so called reaction (when he got fodderstompped) against mindless Obito, is better than Minatios reaction against 8th Gate Gai....

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato Kyuubi agreed for the duble rasengan is because of Naruto cooling down his half

Ok? Irrelevant.

Tobirama clams to be weaker than EMS Madara, and Tobirama has already displayed better reaction feats than Minato

Ok? Once again, irrelevant. Tobirama having better reaction feats than Minato doesn't mean that he's anywhere near BM Minato's level when it comes to power.

Minato is better not better in Tai Jutsu than Madara and Madara cannot catch him. If madara get outer path on Minato it's over
The rennigan can see it before a person arrives using any instant transmission that includes FTG. Madara can use a wooded clone to kill minato. The 50% Kyuubi Bijju Dama cannot harm Madara PS.

In CQC, Minato shits on Edo Madara due to his enhanced speed and Hiraishin, which he isn't going to react to, not from BM Minato. Madara isn't going to get outer path on him as he can't use the Gedo Mazo, thus no chains. The bold is fanfiction. Madara's clones get raped, and the rest is unsubstantiated.

 

[TRE MERCER]

1. Preta Path absorbing Minato's Large Bijuu Dama, or 4 Bijuu Dama at once is a no limits fallacy at its finest. Even if we assume he can pull it off, that'd give Minato more than enough time to blitz him with Shunshin, mark him, and end him, since he can't protect himself with Susanoo while absorbing Bijuu Dama, and Deva Path has a 5 second cooldown.

Multiple clones using Preta path can easily absorb Bijuudama's seeing as multiple shinobi working together can turn Earth wall to something on this scale.(

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). So using Preta on a Bijuudama absorbing scale won't be a problem for multiple clones. Minato ftg blitz the clones with what the entire Kurama avatar it would get absorbed as well. If he tries to do it without a Kurama avatar he' still fail simply because his cloak would get absorbed right off Rasengan would get absorbed as well and he would have to heavily rely kunai and even that wouldn't suffice seeing as Mokuton clones can still fight while there missing half of there body.(

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). Not like a kunai would do that much damage anyway plus you can still attack while Preta path is active.(

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). That alone would overwhelm BM Minato.

2. Lol. PS isn't tanking Super Bijuu Dama. Not when it got destroyed by something with firepower equal to 11 Bijuu Dama w/ PS Blades in them. 2 of these is enough to completely eradicate the construct.
3. And how will he change their trajectory? Nevertheless, Minato can warp them right to any of his markings, so that isn't an issue.
1. Based on what? Pushing him backwards isn't going to cause the Bijuu Dama to spontaneously explode. That doesn't make sense.

Not sure why Apex mentioned ST when Edo Madara didn't show the feat. Ps doesn't have to tank a super Bijuudama since he can stop it from ever forming/reaching him via 360 shockwaves stops it from ever reaching him. Minato ftg will be burried under miles of debris so there useless warp a super charged bijuudama would be useless anyways because it will still be on the battlefield since Minato isn't prepped so 360 shockwaves would suffice even if he teleported them back.

2. Shinra Tensei is a repulsive force. If strong enough, it'd repel the Bijuu Dama, not cause it to explode. Not to mention he won't be too far from Minato, so even if he makes the ball explode, he'll be close enough to the epicenter due to the sheer size of the explosion.

Lol.........Mountain Level DC shockwaves are going to one shot the guy with the Kurama Avatar that tanked the Mountain Range Leveled Juubi Laser? Yeah, obviously not happening. PS slashes get tanked by the Avatar's tails.

How will they dispose of them? Though that is a great way to get his clones killed since Minato can also use clones and have them teleport right to the marking if they try to grab them. There's also the fact that Edo Madara doesn't have the chakra feats to use multiple clones while using Perfect Susanoo.

ST argument was pretty weak imo not sure why Apex used it when again Madara in any form hasn't used it. Actually Ps shockwaves took out a mountain range as well.(

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). Stop the size of the Juubi lazer was much bigger the second time it was use clearly.(

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). Half of the drag mark left on the ground is clearly bigger than BM Kurama seeing as Naruto and the others looked like dots which is more proof on how superior this one was compared to the first.

Bijuu Dama blows up the Flower World, so its irrelevant, and once again. Madara doesn't have the chakra

Completely countered above.

Plus Madara's Double Meteor combo and him throwing his Ps blades and controlling them Minato Bm time limit etc... Madara shits.

 

[KidGamer65]

Multiple clones using Preta path can easily absorb Bijuudama's seeing as multiple shinobi working together can turn Earth wall to something on this scale.(

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). So using Preta on a Bijuudama absorbing scale won't be a problem for multiple clones. Minato ftg blitz the clones with what the entire Kurama avatar it would get absorbed as well. If he tries to do it without a Kurama avatar he' still fail simply because his cloak would get absorbed right off Rasengan would get absorbed as well and he would have to heavily rely kunai and even that wouldn't suffice seeing as Mokuton clones can still fight while there missing half of there body.(

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). Not like a kunai would do that much damage anyway plus you can still attack while Preta path is active.(

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). That alone would overwhelm BM Minato.

Multiple Shinobi=/=Madara splitting his power to do something. Madara being able to absorb all of a Super Bijuu Dama is still a no limits fallacy. Making more clones doesn't change the fact that in the end, he is the one absorbing all of the chakra, not some external source. Not to mention he can't use Susanoo while using Preta Path, so that's a good way to get buttraped by Minato. As he probably won't be reacting to his Shunshin in close quarters, nor will he be reacting to Hiraishin close quarters.

He'd cut their heads off with KCM enhanced strength Kunai swings. Thus they won't be active. And even if they can act, they'd only be able to sprout branches as attacks. No reason to believe they can continue fighting as normal.

Not sure why Apex mentioned ST when Edo Madara didn't show the feat. Ps doesn't have to tank a super Bijuudama since he can stop it from ever forming/reaching him via 360 shockwaves stops it from ever reaching him. Minato ftg will be burried under miles of debris so there useless warp a super charged bijuudama would be useless anyways because it will still be on the battlefield since Minato isn't prepped so 360 shockwaves would suffice even if he teleported them back.

To do what? PS shockwaves aren't overturning Bijuu Dama. They either get powered through or it causes the ball to explode, only making things worse for Madara. Not to mention he can teleport them to any marking he places, so Madara won't intercept them. What debris is Madara going to bury Minato's markings under? Any debris is going to be vaporized the moment Minato lets his Bijuu Dama loose.

Not to mention he can just place a tag at the areas he wants to warp his attack to, right before he warps it. Giving Madara no time to bury each and every one with Mokuton.

ST argument was pretty weak imo not sure why Apex used it when again Madara in any form hasn't used it. Actually Ps shockwaves took out a mountain range as well.(

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). Stop the size of the Juubi lazer was much bigger the second time it was use clearly.(

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). Half of the drag mark left on the ground is clearly bigger than BM Kurama seeing as Naruto and the others looked like dots which is more proof on how superior this one was compared to the first.
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That isn't a Mountain Range, that's him cutting multiple Mountains at once, due to the AoE of his attack. Not because its strength is multi Mountain Level. PS is Mountain Leveled. Fact.

The laser was the same exact size when fired. So I have no idea what you are going on about when you say the second laser was bigger than the first one. The only reason there was a drag mark on the ground the second time and not the first time, is because it didn't hit the ground the first time, it hit Naruto, thus little to no environmental damage. The laser is the same when fired out of the Juubi's mouth and that isn't debatable.

 

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Ok? Irrelevant.


Ok? Once again, irrelevant. Tobirama having better reaction feats than Minato doesn't mean that he's anywhere near BM Minato's level when it comes to power.



In CQC, Minato shits on Edo Madara due to his enhanced speed and Hiraishin, which he isn't going to react to, not from BM Minato. Madara isn't going to get outer path on him as he can't use the Gedo Mazo, thus no chains. The bold is fanfiction. Madara's clones get raped, and the rest is unsubstantiated.

Why does not Minato FTG Edo Madara and to get this war over? Why does Tobirama explains a superior minato

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about that jutsu jubito is using

 

[Haizaki]

I wonder how is Tobirama's so called reaction (when he got fodderstompped) against mindless Obito, is better than Minatios reaction against 8th Gate Gai....

Someone still can't explain why SM Minato got his arm cut off and why BM Minato as well got his hand cut off.

Once again, Gai wasn't at full speed..Are we also going to say Sasuke here was at full speed?

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It doesn't make any sense. Gai kicks up the air and travels to the extent where Rock Lee as well could follow his speed and throw the Kunai in front of him...That becomes his full speed because fanboys are desperately looking for feats. Common sense says there's a difference between this

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and that.

Look at this as well..The distance here

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and all of a sudden he leaves him surprised here

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...There's something wrong with you if you truly believe that's Gai's true speed.

Not to mention if we're going to use your logic, Rock Lee should be faster than Minato, TSB and Kamui

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SM Minato failed to react to Juubi Madara while 7G Gai showed superior reactions..Unless you think Base Minato is superior to SM...Notice how Gai used B to throw him upwards and used a turtle to push up the air because naturally, you can't move at your fastest speed while in air and Gai kept kicking up the air against Madara.

 

[Apêx1]

I'll agree here.



His Rinnegan levels large sections of forests, he can absorb attacks, use mechanised armour, use CT, etc. Knowing that, Madara should most definitely defeat BM Minato. His TBB is tanked, and his continuous TBB can be absorbed/trajectory changed.

1. Preta Path absorbing Minato's Large Bijuu Dama, or 4 Bijuu Dama at once is a no limits fallacy at its finest. Even if we assume he can pull it off, that'd give Minato more than enough time to blitz him with Shunshin, mark him, and end him, since he can't protect himself with Susanoo while absorbing Bijuu Dama, and Deva Path has a 5 second cooldown.

2. Lol. PS isn't tanking Super Bijuu Dama. Not when it got destroyed by something with firepower equal to 11 Bijuu Dama w/ PS Blades in them. 2 of these is enough to completely eradicate the construct.

3. And how will he change their trajectory? Nevertheless, Minato can warp them right to any of his markings, so that isn't an issue. [/quote]

Minato is never forming a large TBB, Madara can do something about any Bijuu Dama that takes time to prepare (big ones, obviously) and tank or absorb any of the smaller ones. More so, he can use Jukai Kotan to change the trajectory of any TBB Minato launches, when he claimed he could change the trajectory of the TBB tree's Bijuu Dama [

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]. Nagato's Preta absorbed an entire v2 shroud from Bee. You are probably thinking TBB's chakra>V2 shroud. That is wrong. Bee and Hachibi were nearly drained at the end of the Kisame fight [

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]. Bee lost a 6 tailed shroud twice, was reverted from his v2 to his v1 shroud, and a full v2 shroud. v2 shroud is technically 13 tails in a v1 shroud, since Kisame can absorb 6 at a time. If you make all of these into 6 tailed shrouds, Bee lost 31 tails, or 5 shrouds, until he and the Hachibi were out of chakra. What does this mean? It means Preta absorbed the full v2 shroud, which is 13/31=42% of Hachibi and Bee's Chakra in one go. For the sake of argument, i'll say the Raiton and Ink cost Bee 2% (probably much less) of his chakra. If Bee can fire 8 average TBB's in order to exhaust himself, that would mean it is 1/8th of his chakra, or 12.5%. That means the Preta absorbed somewhere along the lines of 3.4 chakra's worth of Bijuu Dama's. Mokuton clones are present, so it is doubtable. Asura gives an extra pair of hands as well. Clones use Deva or lower versions of Susano to keep Minato at bay for that brief moment.

Super Bijuu Dama gets its trajectory changed in the same way Juubito's TBB was about to. Super Bijuu Dama is easily interrupted with an ST, PS shockwave or other long range projectile if he doesn't choose to change its trajectory.

1. Based on what? Pushing him backwards isn't going to cause the Bijuu Dama to spontaneously explode. That doesn't make sense.

2. Shinra Tensei is a repulsive force. If strong enough, it'd repel the Bijuu Dama, not cause it to explode. Not to mention he won't be too far from Minato, so even if he makes the ball explode, he'll be close enough to the epicenter due to the sheer size of the explosion.

Fair enough, my memory failed me. Either way, something like this on a larger scale would certainly suffice [

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]. Don't forget that chakra rods are also an option [

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], and would disrupt his chakra moulding rather easily.

If it creates a large enough repulsion, it could make the TBB detonate due to the sheer impact of the initial clash. Preta absorbs thee TBB's AOE much more easily when it's further away from the epicentre, as the energy decays as you go further and further from it at exponential rates.

Lol.........Mountain Level DC shockwaves are going to one shot the guy with the Kurama Avatar that tanked the Mountain Range Leveled Juubi Laser? Yeah, obviously not happening. PS slashes get tanked by the Avatar's tails.

Non - Sequitur; "TBB and Juubi laser have a higher overall energy output, therefor PS shockwaves cannot affect Kurama's BM". PS shockwave can slice a mountain with penetrative force. Penetrative force is not the equivalent of energy blasts no matter how you look at it. I've seen your energy output argument, it's fallacious. Put up a wall of kevlar. It takes over 1 million Joules to melt Kevlar. To cut it, imagine there was a knife that was about to be used. If the knife was thrust at 200 km per hour, and the knife weighed 0.10 kilograms the knife would have a kinetic energy of about joules. Using kinetic energy formula, you only reach 154 J, despite the difference, the correlation is clear. Naruto's body being resistant to an energy attack like Juubilaser, or even TBB, doesn't imply his body is resistant to cutting attacks. Another example of this is the Hachibi. He's had his tails cut by just about every shinobi in NV, but he was able to survive his own TBB without being extremely affected. Naruto tanking Juubilaser doesn't give him the implicative feats to tank PS shockwaves.

How will they dispose of them? Though that is a great way to get his clones killed since Minato can also use clones and have them teleport right to the marking if they try to grab them. There's also the fact that Edo Madara doesn't have the chakra feats to use multiple clones while using Perfect Susanoo.

Edo Tensei doesn't grant infinite chakra, it merely grants you the ability to use the maximum yield of chakra you have infinitely. That was the case for Tobirama's 2 Kage Bunshin's, it is the case here too. Madara can create Mokuton Bunshins who use large scale Mokuton techniques, Rinnegan abilities on par with Nagato's, EMS techniques and his underrated Gunbai, which can deflect any of their jutsu right back at them. Don't forget the fact that once a Mokuton location has been manifested, the clones and Madara can come in and out of the Mokuton however they please. Madara doesn't need to uphold a PS the entire fight, only towards the end, once the FTG kunai's have been buried deep within the Advent of flowering trees or have been essentially destroyed by the Susano/Asura wielding clones.

Bijuu Dama blows up the Flower World, so its irrelevant, and once again. Madara doesn't have the chakra feats to have his clones using Mokuton Jutsu while he uses Perfect Susanoo and Rinnegan techniques.[/QUOTE]

Flowering tree world isn't being destroyed when any TBB directed at it gets its trajectory changed in the same way the TBB tree's Bijuu Dama were about to be. He doens't need to use Perfect Susano the entire fight, he can use his normal legged Susano and spread the love; allowing all of his clones to use his Mokuton, MS and Rinnegan techs. PS isn't the only option for Madara to end Minato, but it definitely is one of them. Gedo is an option. Flowering Tree world is an option. Etc.

 

[Ababeel]

Someone still can't explain why SM Minato got his arm cut off and why BM Minato as well got his hand cut off.

Once again, Gai wasn't at full speed..Are we also going to say Sasuke here was at full speed?

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It doesn't make any sense. Gai kicks up the air and travels to the extent where Rock Lee as well could follow his speed and throw the Kunai in front of him...That becomes his full speed because fanboys are desperately looking for feats. Common sense says there's a difference between this

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and that.

Look at this as well..The distance here

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and all of a sudden he leaves him surprised here

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...There's something wrong with you if you truly believe that's Gai's true speed.

Not to mention if we're going to use your logic, Rock Lee should be faster than Minato, TSB and Kamui

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SM Minato failed to react to Juubi Madara while 7G Gai showed superior reactions..Unless you think Base Minato is superior to SM...Notice how Gai used B to throw him upwards and used a turtle to push up the air because naturally, you can't move at your fastest speed while in air and Gai kept kicking up the air against Madara.

- Minato told Gai to not stop at anything, and it was never stated or even hinted that he wasn't at full speed. So, please, don't make up some fan-fiction things because you don't like what happened. What you said is no more than base-less assumption in your part.

- What does that prove? Minato was in front of him, and the next second he was in Konoha, what's your point?
and we know that Gai gets faster with each step, so the scan you posted he was actually slower according to Lee.

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- Lol, except Minato was not moving, even a moving snail is faster than him, when he's not moving. On the other hand, Gai was moving, so that is not a very intelligent comparison.

- And Minato reacted to 8th Gate, I don't know why are you talking what you like, and ignore what you don't like. Lol
as for kicking the air, that's true in the 7th Gate, however, it's not true in the 8th Gate case, and almost all of Gai's attacks against
madara was when he was flying. Lol