[Discussion] Why Sasuke's way is wrong.

[V h o]

To be honest, supposedly a hegemon (1 ruler/government/power) does bring stability since there is no rivalry for power. Although this only applies when the person/state/government stays in power and no rivalry can be made, which seems nearly impossible since rivalry of power is practically inevitable.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

I'm not going to say all this crap about "all together we can but alone we're nothing" or "democracy above everything".

Sasuke becoming a ruler of the world could very well bring peace if his personality was ideal. During Hagoromo's era I don't remember anyone arguing. I don't agree with the opinion that power will definetely corrupt you, yes it's a high possibilty but it's not absolute.

Ofc, such a behavior could cause injustices such as the execution of kages but it may bring overall stability. Afterall, injustices happen to all the regimes not at the same amount but you get my point. If all the power is gained by one person then it could potentially minimize the injustice if he's an ideal ruler whereas if many people are corrupted then so the number of injustices becomes bigger.


That being said, I truly believe that an ideal ruler could potentially bring better results over any other regime.

However, the true problem about monarchy is that it's only a temporary solution. The reason I'm saying this is because it's mathematically certain that at some point the next ruler will be corrupted and when that happens all the good that was caused from previous dictators can very well be destroyed and it will open a path for much more injustice and chaos.


So to sum up Sasuke himself, could become an excellent ruler (I'm talking about the case of him not being corrupted because of his power) but simply monarchy cannot provide a long term solution since someone is bound to fail.


The difference between monarchy and peace is that while the former's result can be widely different, I mean both extremely positive (in ideal cases) and both extremely bad, democracy is a more stable regime since the qualities of one person cannot completely determine the course of a country (at least not totally).



I wrote the above because I think that the majority of the base thinks only the surface of Sasuke's revolution, while they support mutual understanding and love but we should think of his scenario in a more realistic basis. No regime is bad by definition. It's quality is defined by its leader(s).


UPDATE
Just to make something clear so I won't be misunderstood.What I judge is not Sasuke's own ability to rule but the wide belief that no one can't rule well alone. What I'm saying is that it could bring temporary solutions only because of its impossibity to always find good leaders and in ideal cases (with always excellent rulers)its only true drawback is that in the long term it's bound to cause more instability that the stability that exists in other regimes..

Yeppp
The end does not, ever justify the means..
Sasuke intends to make a better world.
But his method to achieve it just go against the popular ideal...

He must be convinced ormade to realised that being alone isnt the solution.

 

[BLAZE]

Yeppp
The end does not, ever justify the means..
Sasuke intends to make a better world.
But his method to achieve it just go against the popular ideal...

He must be convinced ormade to realised that being alone isnt the solution.

The Problem
rather than change people want to stick on popular ideals of the current system

 

[HyuugaHeir]

The Problem
rather than change people want to stick on popular ideals of the current system

Yes...
That change involve killing some...

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Ok A kidnapped hinata (even tho we don't know iff he was the one who ordered them to) and used the akatsuki.

And onoiki

Now let's combine them and use your logic (sasuke fans logic Lol)

2+1= 3
Now sasuke has 6 major crimes let's take out 3 from each person

Ojhhhhhhhhh
Riiiiiiiight sasuke has 3 more major crimes XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD

Don't question it , you started it first

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[UzumakiRyu]

I'll repost something i said earlier - OP,Jeen,And Pumpkin,can you intelligently counter this.

"Why do some people think no one will be on Sasuke's side? Have you ever even thought for the slightest of seconds about all the Non-Shinobi in the world? All the Non-Shinobi are not going to like that once again,the Shinobi world had another World War,and this time they were forced into it (Infinite Tsukuyomi).

They will want the messed up Shinobi World and System to change aswell,and if they see the Guy who fought against the people who forced the world into Genjutsu/saved the world from that Genjutsu by ending it himself(?) Also wants to change the messed up Shinobi World/System,then who's side do you think they will be on?

"The Shinobi Nations are Allied now"

The Shinobi nations who have been constantly fighting against each other for years getting into multiple world wars and now teaming up for a couple days to fight against some people who were a threat to them all isn't a good enough reason to believe that they will continue to cooperate after the war."

Sasuke is targeting the five Kage and the Villages under those Kage have People / Ninja who would gladly trade their lives for their therefore that makes this argument of yours wrong. And if You remembered The Kage all united under one banner and clearly said they would unite the Villages after the war like seriously they have fought in the war for days as one nation that isn't something that will go away easily.

 

[BLAZE]

Yes...
That change involve killing some...

Yes dats gruesome but imo fairy tale system cannot be achieved but this is Shonen so i maybe wrong

Sasuke is targeting the five Kage and the Villages under those Kage have People / Ninja who would gladly trade their lives for their therefore that makes this argument of yours wrong. And if You remembered The Kage all united under one banner and clearly said they would unite the Villages after the war like seriously they have fought in the war for days as one nation that isn't something that will go away easily.

if Sasuke kills 5 kages and naruto who is gonna tell sob evryone dat the person who ende IT and saved them is douche :|

 

[Reflection]

See the post above you.



We're done here.

Yes, good. I can't expect anything further from someone who does not even know what a revolution is lol. Look up the synonyms for revolution, one of them being "rebellion" and you would understand that after Sasuke kills the Kages while they are in infinite tsukuyomi (like he stated) what else would there be to revolt against? Even if they weren't in Infinite Tsukuyomi, do you think they would revolt with him to kill the kages and Naruto? No, I know it, you know it, all the readers know it lol.

Now deal with it.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Yes dats gruesome but imo fairy tale system cannot be achieved but this is Shonen so i maybe wrong



if Sasuke kills 5 kages and naruto who is gonna tell sob evryone dat the person who ende IT and saved them is douche :|

Let us all leave it to Naruto's hands.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Jeen you clearly don't understand the manga.

Read this and the next few pages.

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Some of the Kages HIRED the Akatsuki for WAR.The Raikgae himself said it,and the Tschikage admitted to it.

The Raikage sent a grown man to kidnap a little girl (Hinata) on the day the PEACE TREATY was being celebrated

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Teenage boy invading Nation and attempting to Kidnap Grown Man and Bigass Monster >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Cloud sending Grown Men to invade Konoha and Kidnap little girls.

Then when his guy got killed he told Konoha to kill Hiashi because he killed his guy,and he threatened war if they didn't kill Hiashi.

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The Raikage sends grown men to invade Konoha and Kidnap alittle girl yet he gets super rustled when he hears Sasuke Kidnapped Bee.Lmao.
And are you forgetting about the mudering Kazekage Gaara? He murdered people and was a major part in the Konoha invasion yet he still becomes a Kage yet Sasuke can't become a Leader? Lol

Well If I group up all the stuff you said it's 3 crimes man , also age doesn't matter if someone kidnapped you it's the same crime and yes garaa was a murderer but how could you even count that ? I can give simple stuff like that too. Anywayy what I am saying is sasuke can become the hokage but no without capturing bijuu and exciting the kage cause if he wants to ve a kage he got to fo it right way he is not any different they're criminals and he's criminal too

 

[BLAZE]

Yes, good. I can't expect anything further from someone who does not even know what a revolution is lol. Look up the synonyms for revolution, one of them being "rebellion" and you would understand that after Sasuke kills the Kages while they are in infinite tsukuyomi (like he stated) what else would there be to revolt against? Even if they weren't in Infinite Tsukuyomi, do you think they would revolt with him to kill the kages and Naruto? No, I know it, you know it, all the readers know it lol.

Now deal with it.

u r saying dat
according to u Sakura is getting new Powerup aka Rinnegan :leaf:

 

[Scooby Doo]

My only problem with your reasoning is that Hagoromo may have had the power to rule with force, but he didn't, and as far as we know, he never intended to, so people didn't oppose him. Therefore he was not a "righteous dictator"- because he wasn't a dictator to begin with. The difference between a dictator and other leaders is how they rise to power. Hagoromo had people's support and his intention was to connect people with ninshuu.

Also, while in a monarchy, there may come a time when a ruler will be corrupt- but leaders can get corrupted even in democracy by time, the main difference is that in democracy people are supposed to change the corrupt leaders in a peaceful way.

Other than that I don't agree with Sasuke's way, but not exactly for your reasons.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Yes dats gruesome but imo fairy tale system cannot be achieved but this is Shonen so i maybe wrong



if Sasuke kills 5 kages and naruto who is gonna tell sob evryone dat the person who ende IT and saved them is douche :|

Ok so?you have to learn how to make your point a little more understandable

 

[Trúth]

Yes, good. I can't expect anything further from someone who does not even know what a revolution is lol. Look up the synonyms for revolution, one of them being "rebellion" and you would understand that after Sasuke kills the Kages while they are in infinite tsukuyomi (like he stated) what else would there be to revolt against? Even if they weren't in Infinite Tsukuyomi, do you think they would revolt with him to kill the kages and Naruto? No, I know it, you know it, all the readers know it lol.

Now deal with it.

I'm done with you because you haven't,

A. Understood Sasuke
B. Understood the last two chapters.

Come back when you have and apologize for being ignorant.

u r saying dat
according to u Sakura is getting new Powerup aka Rinnegan :leaf:

Not even surprised to hear this.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

There are new Kages in power since those times so your argument doesn't really work. They've even connected on a more personal level compared to the other Kages.
Also, although many will agree, many will disagree. How long will the war last? How much lives need to be lost for this "revolution" that may or may not work. Naruto has given the entire SA hope, meaning they are all on his side. They didn't even know IT turns you into white zetsu, yet they still didn't wanted what was thought at the time as eternal peace because they didn't want to be ruled under one crazy f*ck even when odds were against them, what makes you think they'll accept Sasuke's plan? The majority has spoken.

Now you're assuming many will die from Sasuke's revolution,when all he's said was he wants to get rid of the Bijuu,and Kill the Kages.

Your response wasn't intelligent but nice try.I've already addressed the "Shinobi Nations teaming up for a couple days after years of fighting each other including multiple world wars to fight against people who were a threat to them all"

Thats not enough to prove they will continue to cooperate.

And the Tsuchikage has been Kage for decades,and the Raikage was behind the Hinata Kidnapping incident,she's about 17 and was 3 during the home invasion/attempting child abduction so from that we know the Raikage was the Kage for atleast 14 years.and ofcourse we know how the Shinobi Nations were fighting each other for years.I wonder what other shady/evil stuff they've done during YEARS/DECADES,of Leadership.

Well If I group up all the stuff you said it's 3 crimes man , also age doesn't matter if someone kidnapped you it's the same crime and yes garaa was a murderer but how could you even count that ? I can give simple stuff like that too. Anywayy what I am saying is sasuke can become the hokage but no without capturing bijuu and exciting the kage cause if he wants to ve a kage he got to fo it right way he is not any different they're criminals and he's criminal too

Age deos matter,how can you even say that? Child Abduction is different from Kidnapping an Adult.Morally its taken more heavily and Legally.Kidnapping a littls girl is not equal to kidnapping a grown man.and the Tsuchikage and Raikage were Kages for YEARS,over a Decade for the Raikage and DECADES for the Tsuchikage - the Shinobi Nations were against each other all the way up til the war so the number of crimes they commited is no doubt far higher than Sasuke's.

Everything deosn't need to be explained in detail for it to be known.

 

[V h o]

I'm still astonished that people support Sasuke's plan. I mean support this "realistic" murder while bashing a supported peace....

 

[BLAZE]

Let us all leave it to Naruto's hands.

Shadow clones +Tnj can bring PEACE imo
its 100% proof but only if the victim dosen't go for sucide :|

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Now you're assuming many will die from Sasuke's revolution,when all he's said was he wants to get rid of the Bijuu,and Kill the Kages.

Your response wasn't intelligent but nice try.I've already addressed the "Shinobi Nations teaming up for a couple days after years of fighting each other including multiple world wars to fight against people who were a threat to them all"

Thats not enough to prove they will continue to cooperate.

And the Tsuchikage has been Kage for decades,and the Raikage was behind the Hinata Kidnapping incident,she's about 17 and was 3 during the home invasion/attempting child abduction so from that we know the Raikage was the Kage for atleast 14 years.and ofcourse we know how the Shinobi Nations were fighting each other for years.I wonder what other shady/evil stuff they've done during YEARS/DECADES,of Leadership.

Lol, do you not know what a revolution is? People who oppose Sasuke will end up fighting for their lives because he kills everyone who doesn't give him his cookie, so of course people will die. Nice try, though.

 

[Javaweb]

Oh my at the end of the day EVERYONE made mistakes I'm the past. Yes they killed, hurt etc but can we learn from our mistakes from the past a make the future better. You all know Sasuke and Naruto could change the System without the Kages being killed right or wrong. The Beasts want to go home. If someone tries to take them Fight peace Fight peace Fight peace Fight peace. Naruto and Sasuke are Gods. They could defeat anyone in the ninja world right now

 

[Reflection]

u r saying dat
according to u Sakura is getting new Powerup aka Rinnegan :leaf:

Well, it's not going to be Kakashi. He is satisfied with Kamui abilities so it has to be Sakura. :|

I'm done with you because you haven't,

A. Understood Sasuke
B. Understood the last two chapters.

Come back when you have and apologize for being ignorant.



Not even surprised to hear this.

Dude, there is nothing else to read lmao.
-Sauce said he would kill Kages before releasing infinite tsukuyomi
-You claimed that Sauce would get support for revolution once he frees everyone from infinite tsukuyomi
-There would be no support for revolution needed after the Kages are dead because there would be nothing left to overthrow lol
-Look up revolution
-As Ashura's reincarnation, Naruto would receive more support
-Sasuke is a ***
-No one would like Sasuke's system because no one would want their leaders of their villages dead
-Understanding Sasuke is gay
-I have made my point with the first three points.