[Discussion] Why Sasuke's way is wrong.

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I'm not going to say all this crap about "all together we can but alone we're nothing" or "democracy above everything".

Sasuke becoming a ruler of the world could very well bring peace if his personality was ideal. During Hagoromo's era I don't remember anyone arguing. I don't agree with the opinion that power will definetely corrupt you, yes it's a high possibilty but it's not absolute.

Ofc, such a behavior could cause injustices such as the execution of kages but it may bring overall stability. Afterall, injustices happen to all the regimes not at the same amount but you get my point. If all the power is gained by one person then it could potentially minimize the injustice if he's an ideal ruler whereas if many people are corrupted then so the number of injustices becomes bigger.


That being said, I truly believe that an ideal ruler could potentially bring better results over any other regime.

However, the true problem about monarchy is that it's only a temporary solution. The reason I'm saying this is because it's mathematically certain that at some point the next ruler will be corrupted and when that happens all the good that was caused from previous dictators can very well be destroyed and it will open a path for much more injustice and chaos.


So to sum up Sasuke himself, could become an excellent ruler (I'm talking about the case of him not being corrupted because of his power) but simply monarchy cannot provide a long term solution since someone is bound to fail.


The difference between monarchy and peace is that while the former's result can be widely different, I mean both extremely positive (in ideal cases) and both extremely bad, democracy is a more stable regime since the qualities of one person cannot completely determine the course of a country (at least not totally).



I wrote the above because I think that the majority of the base thinks only the surface of Sasuke's revolution, while they support mutual understanding and love but we should think of his scenario in a more realistic basis. No regime is bad by definition. It's quality is defined by its leader(s).


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Just to make something clear so I won't be misunderstood.What I judge is not Sasuke's own ability to rule but the wide belief that no one can't rule well alone. What I'm saying is that it could bring temporary solutions only because of its impossibity to always find good leaders and in ideal cases (with always excellent rulers)its only true drawback is that in the long term it's bound to cause more instability that the stability that exists in other regimes..
 
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You're entire thread is based on the assumption that Sasuke wants to create a monarchy, something that isn't even implied in canon.

Fail thread is a fail.
Not at all, I guess that you have a point on the thread being based on that but let's be realist: is anyone who thinks that Sasuke is not planning to do that? Why else do you kill the current kages just to replace them, either you decide to take complete control or not.
 

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Not at all, I guess that you have a point on the thread being based on that but let's be realist: is anyone who thinks that Sasuke is not planning to do that? Why else do you kill the current kages just to replace them, either you decide to take complete control or not.
He kills them because they represent the failed current system that he wants to destroy.
 

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sas cant guaruntee his own success bc he will die one day and new problems may start. replacing a ruler may create chaos like in the real world with the middle east
 

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A person can never jude other people and rule them , especially if he's criminal

That's my problem with sasuke's revolution
Well that's true. What I'm trying to say is that dictator could help in developing things, it's not by definition non positive.
It isn't Sasuke's way of thinking that is wrong it's your way of thinking that is wrong.
You may say that but I think that people are just too fixed in their democratic ideas. You might say right now "he's a fascist" but at the end of the day the leaders decide the quality of a regime. The reason for which there are some stereotypes such as" monarchy= bad" is because they could never provide a long term solution.

There is a difference between saying "monarchy is bound to fail" and " a monarch is bound to fail". I acknowledge that fact myself.
 

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That's an interesting take on it. However, Naruto's way is even more questionable. I won't bother explaining why, but if needs be I will.
It's not like I'm saying "Bring the nazi back!" or a bull like that but all I'm saying is that people should be more open-mind about these stuff, no regime is bad by definition.
It's amazing what two seventeen-year olds can accomplish.
True that XD
 

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You're entire thread is based on the assumption that Sasuke wants to create a monarchy, something that isn't even implied in canon.

Fail thread is a fail.
It's called "inference" and I agree that Sauce's revolution will overthrow the democratic shinobi structure and change it into an autocracy. That arrogant bastard would not give equal right to people he thinks he is better than.
 
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You're simply retarded if you think this guy would bring good to the world:

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Oh, and I'd love to hear the day old plan of a kid who not until long ago thought revenge would bring him happiness.
 

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This guy killed the thread
Lol yeah I can't counter his non- existent arguments.
sas cant guaruntee his own success bc he will die one day and new problems may start. replacing a ruler may create chaos like in the real world with the middle east
Exactly what I'm saying but my point is that people that he must fail just because will be the only one with power, which is very likely but not absolute. What is absolute though is that someone after him will at some point fail causing bigger destruction than all the good that was created.
 

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It's called "inference" and I agree that Sauce's revolution will overthrow the democratic shinobi structure and change it into an autocracy. That arrogant bastard would not give equal right to people he thinks he is better than.
It's called an opinion. An inference would mean that there was foreshadowing that pointed to this conclusion.

And does people deserve to get killed just because they made mistakes and failed ?
Their mistakes led to the deaths of thousands of their own shinobi. Rather big mistakes imo
 
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