Naruto's Idealism or Sasuke's Realist views:Which is more suited for change in NV?

[KisuneUchiha]

LMAO nice try. that in know way has nothing to do with naruto.

you have yet to explain how naruto's IDEAS took away someone's INDIVIDUALITY. naruto didnt make you fall in love who this girl. naruto didnt make this person marry the girl you like.

shall i quote you?

But Naruto wishes to get rid of the cycle of hatred, what I mentioned in my post is another aspect of the cycle of hatred

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

That's a dictatorship and the way you've presented it is not a way to preserve peace.

Not to mention having only a small number of people with all the power will breed resentment among everyone else.

 

[ShiroT]

That's a dictatorship and the way you've presented it is not a way to preserve peace.

well i guess every country is a dictatorship then.

i honestly dont see your point. you say its wrong to not appoint a tyrant simply because their a tyrant. but when i ask so they should appoint one then you say, "no". so what point are you trying to make? its wrong to not appoint someone for being a bad person even though you believe appointing said person is a bad idea?

 

[ShiroT]

Not to mention having only a small number of people with all the power will breed resentment among everyone else.

its not a small number of people its the majority.

 

[ShiroT]

But Naruto wishes to get rid of the cycle of hatred, what I mentioned in my post is another aspect of the cycle of hatred

naruto cant do anything about you getting jealous over some person. his goals involves stopping violence

 

[KisuneUchiha]

well i guess every country is a dictatorship then.

i honestly dont see your point. you say its wrong to not appoint a tyrant simply because their a tyrant. but when i ask so they should appoint one then you say, "no". so what point are you trying to make? its wrong to not appoint someone for being a bad person even though you believe appointing said person is a bad idea?

America? Not all presidents have the same views

 

[Raekwon26]

well i guess every country is a dictatorship then.

i honestly dont see your point. you say its wrong to not appoint a tyrant simply because their a tyrant. but when i ask so they should appoint one then you say, "no". so what point are you trying to make? its wrong to not appoint someone for being a bad person even though you believe appointing said person is a bad idea?

@bold, no idea what you're saying.

The first bit, no. Not every country is dictatorship because the views you presented are not what every country follows.

You want power to be centralized to a specific group of people only. The rest be damned.

I'm not even being rude, but really? Have you heard of any other types of political systems?

 

[KisuneUchiha]

naruto cant do anything about you getting jealous over some person. his goals involves stopping violence

But even little things can lead to violence, people died over petty jealousy

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

its not a small number of people its the majority.

You just said only people who share certain views get power,that means only a minority will be left to run things.

 

[ShiroT]

@bold, no idea what you're saying.

The first bit, no. Not every country is dictatorship because the views you presented are not what every country follows.

You want power to be centralized to a specific group of people only. The rest be damned.

I'm not even being rude, but really? Have you heard of any other types of political systems?

i said. you think not appointing say orochimaru because he didnt share hiruzen's idea is wrong, but on the other hand you think appointing orochimaru is a bad idea, so why are you arguing in orochimaru's favor?

i said people need a leader. whether it be a monarch, congress, democratic monarch, republic, dictatorship etc.

 

[Dannie]

In short, Naruto's way is a fairy tail and Sasuke's way is life.

 

[ShiroT]

You just said only people who share certain views get power,that means only a minority will be left to run things.

no.

if the majority believes in something, and someone from this majority is picked to rule, then the majority is in rule. the minority would be people who disagrees with naruto because the whole if not most of the leaf village agrees with naruto.

 

[mohdzarif]

Both are extremists!!!

It's only good to be in the middle. That's why Kishi is making them working together.

It also correspond with the Yin and Yang theme. "Two opposing forces created all things in nature".

 

[Raekwon26]

i said. you think not appointing say orochimaru because he didnt share hiruzen's idea is wrong, but on the other hand you think appointing orochimaru is a bad idea, so why are you arguing in orochimaru's favor?

i said people need a leader. whether it be a monarch, congress, democratic monarch, republic, dictatorship etc.

I never said that.
I said that, YOU don't want anyone in power that doesn't share Naruto's ideals and YOU AGREED when with that, saying no one should be allowed to have power if they don't share Naruto's ideals.

I'm not posting the same stuff again, so for the last time;
"If you don't share my views, I don't pick you". Leads to a concentration of power in one place, which can lead to people feeling ignored and ostracized, which can then lead to resentment, which can then lead to hate.............

............and here we are, back at square one.

 

[ShiroT]

I never said that.
I said that, YOU don't want anyone in power that doesn't share Naruto's ideals.

I'm not posting the same stuff again, so for the last time;
"If you don't share my views, I don't pick you". Leads to a concentration of power in one place, which can lead to people feeling ignored and ostracized, which can then lead to resentment, which can then lead to hate.............

............and here we are, back at square one.

dude you just said it again. "if you down share naruto's views you arent appointed" meaning if your a tyrant or some douch your not appointed. and i already asked you if these people should be appointed and you said no. so again, WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

i've explained what naruto's idea is. ive explained who wouldnt share naruto's ideas, i.e tyrants. again if you dont think tyrants should be in power, AGAIN, why are you arguing for their side?

i'll rephrase it.

people who dont agree with naruto's ideas are not for the people, and most likely tyrants.

tyrants should not be in power

you agree that tyrants shouldnt be in power.

so why should it matter if they arent appointed power

 

[Raekwon26]

dude you just said it again. "if you down share naruto's views you arent appointed" meaning if your a tyrant or some douch your not appointed. and i already asked you if these people should be appointed and you said no. so again, WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

Just because you don't share Naruto's ideals, DOESN'T make you a Tyrant or some douche who shouldn't be allowed to be in power.

 

[JackelLord]

I think the general consensus here is that the needs to be a balance of both Idealism and Realism in order for the NV to become better off.

 

[ShiroT]

Just because you don't share Naruto's ideals, DOESN'T make you a Tyrant or some douche who shouldn't be allowed to be in power.

naruto's idea is

-for the people
-help others
-no wars
-understanding each other

all of these will lead to no hate or less hate

if your not for your people then your against them.
if your not for helping nations then your promoting enemies.
if your not against wars then your for it.
if your not for understanding others then you can never get rid of hate, thus creating hate, wars, and violence.

please explain to me what redeeming qualities someone can have if they dont share these ideas in some form.

the only people we can look at who didnt share these ideas were danzo and orochimaru. danzo was an extremist who murdered the uchiha clan. orochimaru was a psychotic scientist who kidnapped children and experimented on people.

 

[Raekwon26]

naruto's idea is

-for the people
-help others
-no wars
-understanding each other

all of these will lead to no hate.

if your not for your people then your against them.
if your not for helping nations then your promoting enemies.
if your not against wars then your for it.
if your not for understanding others then you can never get rid of hate, thus creating hate, wars, and violence.

please explain to me what redeeming qualities someone can have if they dont share these ideas in some form.

Unbelievable.

You're here preaching Naruto's ideals, yet you continue to contradict yourself by wanting power centralized to only a select group of people, those who don't share those beliefs should not be listened to or heard from and no one should be anywhere near a position of power unless they share Naruto's ideals.

Amazing. I'm done.

 

[Dannie]

Raekwon26, you're wasting your time bruh. Anyone who doesn't follow Naruto's ideals is automatically labeled as a douche, uncaring, egotistic bastard.