[VS] Itachi vs Jiraya

[LustyLover]

J Man wins. All of Jiraiya's boss summons will be out. He has no counter for these summons except for what, Amaterasu? You do realize he uses Amaterasu more than twice and he's practically drained already. He uses Susano and he dies in a few minutes.

But...

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And this was after spamming Tsukuyomi twice, having himself impaled upon a shuriken, and lighting his entire arm on fire :|

 

[Beans2]

Yeah, Amaterasu burns at Jiraiya's full body and he doesn't care, just takes out a scroll,

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and removes the flames. Doesn't matter that the flames throwed Obito off of his feet immediately and caused hellish pain.

And that's exactly the reason why ANY Itachi supporter should just leave this thread instead of debating with such idiots. Any argument would be wasted time.

You do realize that the people who are actually arguing that point are trolling.

J Man wins. All of Jiraiya's boss summons will be out. He has no counter for these summons except for what, Amaterasu? You do realize he uses Amaterasu more than twice and he's practically drained already. He uses Susano and he dies in a few minutes.

Amaterasu, controlling summons with genjutsu, totsuka...all those are counters to boss summons. Nevertheless, I believe Jiraiya wins.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Yeah, Amaterasu burns at Jiraiya's full body and he doesn't care, just takes out a scroll,

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and removes the flames. Doesn't matter that the flames throwed Obito off of his feet immediately and caused hellish pain.

And that's exactly the reason why ANY Itachi supporter should just leave this thread instead of debating with such idiots. Any argument would be wasted time.

Amaterasu can't hardly burn anything, for one thing. Nagato was burning forever and it only burned through his elbow, Karin barely got burned, Bee's burned bunshin didn't even poof. Hell, you can just take off your clothes and be fine. In fact, that forest fire didn't even take down the trees before Naruto & co showed up. So really, you should leave the sarcasm at the door because you have little to stand on.

You're also assuming Jiraiya actually gets touched by it.

 

[Demonic.]

But...

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And this was after spamming Tsukuyomi twice, having himself impaled upon a shuriken, and lighting his entire arm on fire :|

Itachi didn't aim at the Forrest Sasuke ran from it and while he was running little bits of Amaterasu landed on the Forrest. What does Amaterasu do when it hits something? It spreads until it burns out what it hit in this case the Forrest. He didn't actually set the Forrest on fire he just missed his mark, and it hit a tree and spread.

 

[LustyLover]

Itachi didn't aim at the Forrest Sasuke ran from it and while he was running little bits of Amaterasu landed on the Forrest. What does Amaterasu do when it hits something? It spreads until it burns out what it hit in this case the Forrest. He didn't actually set the Forrest on fire he just missed his mark, and it hit a tree and spread.

That's how much fire was on the forest before it spread.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

That's how much fire was on the forest before it spread.

Huh?

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Started off as a little bit.

 

[LustyLover]

Amaterasu can't hardly burn anything, for one thing. Nagato was burning forever and it only burned through his elbow, Karin barely got burned, Bee's burned bunshin didn't even poof. Hell, you can just take off your clothes and be fine. In fact, that forest fire didn't even take down the trees before Naruto & co showed up. So really, you should leave the sarcasm at the door because you have little to stand on.

You're also assuming Jiraiya actually gets touched by it.

Just thought I'd point out some things you were missing.

- Nagato was burning forever because the fire that was on him wasn't actually focused. Karin didn't get as burned because, again, Sasuke wasn't focusing on the flames and he purposely took the flames away. Bee's burned bunshin didn't poof because Sasuke took the flames away before the Hachibi transformation was even undone, and the bunshin's back was still burned.

When Amaterasu is continuously focused it actually burns a shitload.

 

[LustyLover]

Huh?

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Started off as a little bit.

But that was just the beginning. Itachi further used Amaterasu and so the fire doubled on top of each other.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

But that was just the beginning. Itachi further used Amaterasu and so the fire doubled on top of each other.

No, it spread. That's what fire does.

P.S. I didn't read all of what you posted above, but I noticed you trying to say that Itachi blitzed Kabuto. He dodged, but forgot he had horns. Bee also dodged Itachi's shunshin, if he couldn't then he he'd be dead. Also, lol at the Uchiha fodder.

 

[LustyLover]

No, it spread. That's what fire does.

P.S. I didn't read all of what you posted above, but I noticed you trying to say that Itachi blitzed Kabuto. He dodged, but forgot he had horns. Bee also dodged Itachi's shunshin, if he couldn't then he he'd be dead. Also, lol at the Uchiha fodder.

Bee dodged Itachi's Shunshin after Itachi warned him he was behind him. Bee wasn't even aware he was there. They're not fodder. 3T has full blown precognition. To blitz three precognitive users by yourself isn't easy. Plus, how do we know Kabuto dodged it? It looked like he got hit to me. And since Itachi wasn't actually going for the kill but was there to record events for Izanami, why can't we assume that Itachi could of sliced his head off instead? He wasn't going for the kill and still managed to hit him while being empathetic and specifically trying to make sure he lived.

 

[Demonic.]

Bee dodged Itachi's Shunshin after Itachi warned him he was behind him. Bee wasn't even aware he was there. They're not fodder. 3T has full blown precognition. To blitz three precognitive users by yourself isn't easy. Plus, how do we know Kabuto dodged it? It looked like he got hit to me. And since Itachi wasn't actually going for the kill but was there to record events for Izanami, why can't we assume that Itachi could of sliced his head off instead? He wasn't going for the kill and still managed to hit him while being empathetic and specifically trying to make sure he lived.

I don't think so. Itachi said "behind you" and Bee without looking surprised replied "I know" and Kabuto did dodge Itachi's attack. After Itachi sliced off his horn Kabuto grabbed it and said "Oh...I forgot that was there, I'm not used to having horns"

 

[LustyLover]

I don't think so. Itachi said "behind you" and Bee without looking surprised replied "I know" and Kabuto did dodge Itachi's attack. After Itachi sliced off his horn Kabuto grabbed it and said "Oh...I forgot that was there, I'm not used to having horns"

Bee didn't say, "I know," that was what Naruto said when Itachi Shunshined over his head.

And yeah Ik about the Kabuto thing, but Itachi wasn't going for the kill. Itachi was inches away from slicing off his head. If he was going for the kill, the odds are that he would of gone for his head instead of his horn.


Heading offline.

 

[Beans2]

- Great.
- The hair itself is imbued with chakra to harden it and sharpen it. If he tries to cover it with his face, he'd rip it apart. Since he can't cover it because of this, Amaterasu would spread and instantly overwhelm him. Even if he could cover his face, Amaterasu would still burn straight through it when Itachi focuses on the flames to intensify it. It easily rendered CM2 wings that tanked high-level Katons to ashes in literally two seconds. I don't see why it can't burn his hair.
- When he summoned it he appeared on top of it. Since Amaterasu spreads, it'll spread on him easily. He'd have to jump off of it to avoid it, and when he does this, he's prone to get hit by Amaterasu.
- The fact remains that Jiraiya has never used Kage Bunshins in a serious battle and, even when it would of blatantly proved highly beneficial to him to do so, he has not. When Itachi and Jiraiya had their first encounter, Jiraiya never used a Kage Bunshin while fully aware of his Genjutsu prowess and that he was an Uchiha. There's no difference from both then and now.
- That's not a substitution jutsu. That's Shunshin to run and avoid getting soloed. He could of used a substitution jutsu, but he didn't. That's not how Jiraiya fights, so I don't see why he would suddenly start fighting in that way now. It's like saying Sasuke is going to start fighting like Ay simply because he finds his threat powerful enough. It's not happening.
- All of that is pretty useless when he already has his crow with a Sharingan positioned in the distance to watch all of Jiraiya's movements. Checking where to fire his Amaterasu is easy then. Besides, Jiraiya's Katon without Bunta was weak enough to be subjugated by Konan's basic paper style.

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Itachi overwhelming his Katon shouldn't be difficult. Besides, how would Jiraiya counter a Katon when he doesn't even know it's coming to him since the dust obscures where and what Itachi is doing? The best he could do is jump out of the way before it hits him and after it already cleared the dust. Itachi can also easily jump out of the dust and fire from there considering his elite Taijutsu and speed feats.
- He doesn't need to. All Itachi needs to do is engage in Taijutsu and once that happens, it's over for Jiraiya. He doesn't even need to do that. All he needs to do is Shunshin above him and fire from there. Even Bee, who has amazing reflexes and was able to respond to FTG, couldn't react in time to Itachi's Shunshin.

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Kabuto was able to easily dodge Sasuke's Susano'o arrow, which was so fast that Danzo didn't even have time to weave a single sign to avoid, and yet was blitzed by Itachi's Shunshin. Itachi closing distance should be no problem in the slightest.

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He blitzed three 3T precognitive users

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Jiraiya, who possesses less reaction time, agility, and speed than all of the people I've mentioned is not going to be able to keep up with him in Taijutsu AND he won't be able to out-distance him so he can't be killed by Amaterasu.


- Since the smoke bombs have no chakra, I don't see why Itachi shouldn't be able to see the color of Jiraiya's chakra through it and attack.

-Jiraiya's hair would rip his own face off? I'm not even going to address that foolish assumption. As for amaterasu burning through Jiraiya's hair, I highly doubt it (since Nagato was on fire for a long time but didn't take much damage, as UltimateDeadpool said, and Raikage's arm was on fire for a long time yet it didn't spread to other parts of his body. It didn't even burn through the armour of a Samurai.) Not to mention, Jiraiya can thicken his hair so the flames do not spread as fast. As for your claim that it burnt through Sasuke's wings? That's incorrect. Sasuke was undoing his CM2 transformation while on fire

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, as well as using chidori and an oral rebirth.

-Strange...when Jiraiya summoned

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frog it appeared in front of him. Summons do not always appear below the summoner, that has been disproved consistently throughout the manga.

-I see. So you have no other argument against kage bunshins other than "Jiraiya won't use them at the start of the battle." As if alive Itachi would start spamming amaterasu at the beginning of an encounter! Going by your logic, I shouldn't even have to argue this at all since an IC Itachi would not start off the battle with amaterasu. The fact remains that kage bunshins are a hard counter to both genjutsu and amaterasu, and you better figure out a way for Itachi to take care of them.

-Same thing. IC Itachi won't start off the battle with a one-shot amaterasu. Substitution jutsu as well as shunshin (or whatever technique it was Jiraiya used to disappear into the pipes) are both ways for Jiraiya to easily avoid amaterasu. You need a better argument than "that's not Jiraiya's fighting style."

-Itachi's crow can't see through the dust cloud. That picture you showed of fire stalemating paper is from the anime and not canon, please do not try to post filler pictures as evidence. Jiraiya can sense the fire coming while inside the dust cloud due to his Sage Mode sensing - and if you insist that SM Jiraiya doesn't have any sensing abilities due to being an imperfect Sage, Ma and Pa are perfect sages so they can just alert him of an incoming katon. Jiraiya's

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works as well.

-Barrier, barrier, barrier. Once Itachi enters the barrier surrounding Jiraiya's body, Jiraiya is instantly alerted and can react accordingly. The barrier is huge, too (see how big it is relative to Gamabunta):

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-Lol ok. Guess smoke bombs won't work.

 

[LustyLover]

-Jiraiya's hair would rip his own face off? I'm not even going to address that foolish assumption. As for amaterasu burning through Jiraiya's hair, I highly doubt it (since Nagato was on fire for a long time but didn't take much damage, as UltimateDeadpool said, and Raikage's arm was on fire for a long time yet it didn't spread to other parts of his body. It didn't even burn through the armour of a Samurai.) Not to mention, Jiraiya can thicken his hair so the flames do not spread as fast. As for your claim that it burnt through Sasuke's wings? That's incorrect. Sasuke was undoing his CM2 transformation while on fire

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, as well as using chidori and an oral rebirth.

-Strange...when Jiraiya summoned

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frog it appeared in front of him. Summons do not always appear below the summoner, that has been disproved consistently throughout the manga.

-I see. So you have no other argument against kage bunshins other than "Jiraiya won't use them at the start of the battle." As if alive Itachi would start spamming amaterasu at the beginning of an encounter! Going by your logic, I shouldn't even have to argue this at all since an IC Itachi would not start off the battle with amaterasu. The fact remains that kage bunshins are a hard counter to both genjutsu and amaterasu, and you better figure out a way for Itachi to take care of them.

-Same thing. IC Itachi won't start off the battle with a one-shot amaterasu. Substitution jutsu as well as shunshin (or whatever technique it was Jiraiya used to disappear into the pipes) are both ways for Jiraiya to easily avoid amaterasu. You need a better argument than "that's not Jiraiya's fighting style."

-Itachi's crow can't see through the dust cloud. That picture you showed of fire stalemating paper is from the anime and not canon, please do not try to post filler pictures as evidence. Jiraiya can sense the fire coming while inside the dust cloud due to his Sage Mode sensing - and if you insist that SM Jiraiya doesn't have any sensing abilities due to being an imperfect Sage, Ma and Pa are perfect sages so they can just alert him of an incoming katon. Jiraiya's

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works as well.

-Barrier, barrier, barrier. Once Itachi enters the barrier surrounding Jiraiya's body, Jiraiya is instantly alerted and can react accordingly. The barrier is huge, too (see how big it is relative to Gamabunta):

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-Lol ok. Guess smoke bombs won't work.

- You seem to love using the Needle Jizo argument so much that I forgot you know little to nothing about it! Silly me. Since you weren't already aware, let me dumb it down for you even more. When Jiraiya activates Needle Jizo it automatically both hardens and sharpens his hair into a blade-like fashion in order to serve as both an offense and defense. Believe it or not, there's a reason Jiraiya named the technique NEEDLE Jizo. As for Amaterasu, according to you, NOT being able to burn through Jiraiya's HAIR? Holy lord, save me now. Sasuke's Amaterasu not burning through Ay's arm, not burning through Nagato quickly, and not burning through the samurai's armor is contributed to one thing: they didn't focus their Amaterasu. Here, since it's a 1v1, Itachi will focus it instead of having to worry about fighting other shinobi. It'll easily render his hair to ash.

- Summons are useless at this point. Itachi'll slaughter them all easily with either Ama or Sakegari.

- Itachi used it the second he broke out of Edo Tensei.

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Quite literally, it was his first attack. I don't see why he wouldn't do it here. Besides, the difference is that Jiraiya hasn't actually used Kage Bunshins AT ALL in a major fight. You are, again, taking things that OTHER people have used and automatically contributing it to Jiraiya. Not that it matters. A single exploding clone takes care of the rest of Jiraiya's clones. They're useless. Even if an exploding clone doesn't work, Itachi can trace Amaterasu to get rid of them like this, nailing the real one hiding in the midst of the fakes.

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Itachi used it during a fight even while he was purposely throwing the fight, and when he used it it was against a mere Katon. Him using it against Jiraiya, knowing his reputation as a Sannin, is not far-fetched at all; rather, it is most likely.

- Itachi's crow flies (obviously), and Jiraiya isn't going to be in the dust. Even if he does, again, Itachi can simply jump out of it via Shunshin. Yeah, he can sense it coming and when he does he'll respond with his own Katon like you said he would. When he does this he'll only end up helping clear the dust.

- Jiraiya only uses his barrier against people who are invisible. That's why he used it against Pain. Besides, how the hell does sensing where a person is mean that he can out run Itachi? Df?

- Yeah, they won't, unless they're full of chakra to the point of where it confuses Itachi's eyesight. Otherwise, Itachi sees right through it and sees Jiraiya's chakra and attacks from there.


As well as possessing slow reaction time, no speed feats, and inferior agility in combination with the fact that he has no real, feasable counter to Amaterasu, Jiraiya has nothing that can put Itachi down for good. Saying Jiraiya is going to counter this with Bunshins is utterly retarded because absolutely ANYONE can counter ANYTHING using shadow clones. To make this situation worse, Jiraiya never even uses shadow clones! This is grasping at straws. Jiraiya using a barrier intended for invisible opponents against a clearly visible Itachi because he predicted before the fight that Itachi's going to be too fast for him? That's likely Lol.

 

[Beans2]

Will counter tomorrow. But lord, from just skimming through your post I see loads of ignorance and Itachi wanking.

 

[LustyLover]

Will counter tomorrow. But lord, from just skimming through your post I see loads of ignorance and wanking.

Instead of using awfully accurate self-descriptive words, try to actually come up with something of significance to the topic at hand. Bye now *_*

 

[Demonic.]

You're just under Itachi's Genjutsu Holy Eyes. Amaterasu burns slowly, remember Raikage talking to Gaara with his arm burning away? Jiraiya would have time to seal Amaterasu, might already have prepared scrolls in advance since he's already encountered Itachi's Amaterasu before. Itachi's Amaterasu is slow, Sasuke ran from it Itachi was aiming for his curse mark wing and barely caught it. Sage Mode Jiraiya could dodge it, and Base Jiraiya has fire jutsu he could use to counter it. Of course Amaterasu would overcome it like it did Sasuke's fireball but the point is it'd make the Amaterasu burn up Jiraiya's fire attack and let him escape. Not to mention Jiraiya has shadow clones. Amaterasu is not a match winner here. I don't see Itachi winning against Jiraiya with his summons.

 

[Phonas]

Totsuka and Yata Mirror anybody? Or Itachi's blatantly superior speed?

 

[Rιver]

Will counter tomorrow. But lord, from just skimming through your post I see loads of ignorance and Itachi wanking.

Jesus Christ, just stop already.​

 

[ARGUS]

Itachi wins this high diff