[VS] Itachi vs Jiraya

[Bogard]

No one please take advice from Bogard when it comes to a Jiraiya debate he really think Needle Jizo is a counter for ama when Jiraya hair turns back normal Ama will still be on his head l00l excuse the double.

That's because your ignorance is bull, not knowing Jiraya can throw his hair away from his body anytime he wants [

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[Beans2]

That's because your ignorance is bull, not knowing Jiraya can throw his hair away from his body anytime he wants [

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Unfortunately Jiraiya needs to be in Sennin Mode to use that technique.

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[bobtheboober]

Since amaterasu seems to be a hot topic, I will list the ways Jiraiya can counter it.

-Fire sealing scroll (situational obviously)
-Needle Jizo
-Frog summons to be used as meat shields (not in character but works regardless)
-Kage bunshins
-Substitution jutsu
-Dust cloud from Ma (SM only)
-Stay out of Amaterasu's range
-Smoke bombs

-he cant seal the flames when his hands are on fire. he needs to write the seals.
- needle jizo covers his body but not his face
- they're too big and lack enough speed to jump in his path and j-man would never sacrifice his toads
- he never uses kage bunshins against top people. he never has once.
- substitution jutsu = same thing as clones basically. he's never used that against top tiers either.
- it takes jiraiya a long time to enter sm. why wouldnt itachi pull out ama before then to avoid his transformation? even if he does sharingan can see chakra and he'll still know where to aim ama.
-yes. but he has no idea what ama is, so what are the odds he will? itachi has shown great shunshin feats. it wont be hard to close distance.
- no. sharingan sees through that since it can see the color of chakra. when has jiraiya used smoke bombs against top ppl again?

if we're going along by saying substitution jutsu and clones avoid ama by someone who rarely uses it then basic shinobi should be able to surpass kamui by using the same

the point is surprise. minato wouldn't of been able to beat obito with a substitution jutsu or a clone when obito started using kamui bc obito surprised him. itachi can do the same to jiraiya. the only difference in this scenario is that minato had ftg to counter kamui but jiraiya has no actual counter to itachi's ama.

 

[Bogard]

Unfortunately Jiraiya needs to be in Sennin Mode to use that technique.

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No he doesn't. Sage Mode doesn't create techniques. It only upgrade your base ones. It's a base Jiraya move upgraded in sage mode

 

[HNIC]

jiraiya doesnt know what the eye bleeding means.

he has no intel on amaterasu besides the fact that it's fire and it's black

meaning that jiraiya seeing itachi's eye bleed means nothing

and no, seeing that a jutsu is about to happen and having the speed to dodge it or react to it in time or 2 diff things. jiraiya has neither.

He doesn't need to. Simply seeing Itachi's eye bleed indicates something. In response to the unknown he'll use an attack. Similarly done by Garra, who didn't react to blaze release, but was simply going for an offensive attack in the process. Jiriaya can do the same, prior I til isn't needed when counteracting an attack, known or unknown.

 

[Beans2]

No he doesn't. Sage Mode doesn't create techniques. It only upgrade your base ones. It's a base Jiraya move upgraded in sage mode

Sage Mode does create techniques. Hakugeki, Shinsuusenju, and Muki Tensei are some examples.

 

[LuckyMan]

The fact they think Amaterasu one-shots Jman and the fact its been countered, combined with the fact that they have not posted any other argument just shows they can't even hold a decent serious debate.

 

[bobtheboober]

He doesn't need to. Simply seeing Itachi's eye bleed indicates something. In response to the unknown he'll use an attack. Similarly done by Garra, who didn't react to blaze release, but was simply going for an offensive attack in the process. Jiriaya can do the same, prior I til isn't needed when counteracting an attack, known or unknown.

lol no it doesn't. besides using an attack against itachi is useless when he's about to fire ama. nothing jiraiya has is fast enough to stop itachi's ama after jiraiya sees his eye bleeding. when we see itachi's eye bleed, he literally lights up his opponent about half a second to a second later. jiraiya isnt whipping out an attack during that time and it's certainly not going to be fast enough to hit him before it's used.

 

[LustyLover]

The fact they think Amaterasu one-shots Jman and the fact its been countered, combined with the fact that they have not posted any other argument just shows they can't even hold a decent serious debate.

I haven't seen a single viable counter thus far. I'm willing to change my mind if we see a proper enough counter for Amaterasu.

 

[Bogard]

Sage Mode does create techniques. Hakugeki, Shinsuusenju, and Muki Tensei are some examples.

Because we've not seen the user of those respective techniques use that in base doesn't prove they aren't base moves(we've never seen war arc Kabuto fighting in base). We've seen the contender of spiral Zetsu(Yamato) capable to create a mini-shinsuusenju and he is a pale copy of Hashirama. Sage Mode only upgrade it to tremendous proportions, nothing more

 

[Beans2]

-he cant seal the flames when his hands are on fire. he needs to write the seals.
- needle jizo covers his body but not his face
- they're too big and lack enough speed to jump in his path and j-man would never sacrifice his toads
- he never uses kage bunshins against top people. he never has once.
- substitution jutsu = same thing as clones basically. he's never used that against top tiers either.
- it takes jiraiya a long time to enter sm. why wouldnt itachi pull out ama before then to avoid his transformation? even if he does sharingan can see chakra and he'll still know where to aim ama.
-yes. but he has no idea what ama is, so what are the odds he will? itachi has shown great shunshin feats. it wont be hard to close distance.
- no. sharingan sees through that since it can see the color of chakra. when has jiraiya used smoke bombs against top ppl again?

if we're going along by saying substitution jutsu and clones avoid ama by someone who rarely uses it then basic shinobi should be able to surpass kamui by using the same

the point is surprise. minato wouldn't of been able to beat obito with a substitution jutsu or a clone when obito started using kamui bc obito surprised him. itachi can do the same to jiraiya. the only difference in this scenario is that minato had ftg to counter kamui but jiraiya has no actual counter to itachi's ama.

-I know that obviously. That's why I wrote situational.
-Itachi wouldn't know to aim for the face.
-Toads are summoned right in front of him in the line of fire, and nowhere here does it say Jiraiya's in character
-Nagato is a top tier person, and he used a kage bunshin against him. And whose to say Jiraiya wouldn't? Jiraiya would use the jutsu that best counters the opponent's jutsu. Plus it never said Jiraiya was IC
-Again, Jiraiya isn't IC
-Jiraiya can use other counters to amaterasu until he gets into Sage Mode, after which he uses the dust cloud.
-It all depends on starting distance.
-Sharingan can see through it, but it cannot light him up. Amaterasu requires that the caster looks directly at his target. Otherwise Itachi could just light people up on fire even if they were on the other side of a wall.

 

[Beans2]

Because we've not seen the user of those respective techniques use that in base doesn't prove they aren't base moves(we've never seen war arc Kabuto fighting in base). We've seen the contender of spiral Zetsu(Yamato) capable to create a mini-shinsuusenju and he is a pale copy of Hashirama. Sage Mode only upgrade it to tremendous proportions, nothing more

I stand corrected then, Lol

 

[LuckyMan]

I haven't seen a single viable counter thus far. I'm willing to change my mind if we see a proper enough counter to Amaterasu.

No you won't. Your in the top Itachi wankers on this site. If Amaterasu is the only chance Itachi has to win versus Jman he most certainly loss. No one can make an argument to support Itachi outside of Amaterasu, which has already been countered. He has several other jutsu yet all they can muster up in an argument is Amaterasu. That tells me to stop deabting this.

 

[bobtheboober]

-I know that obviously. That's why I wrote situational.
-Itachi wouldn't know to aim for the face.
-Toads are summoned right in front of him in the line of fire, and nowhere here does it say Jiraiya's in character
-Nagato is a top tier person, and he used a kage bunshin against him. And whose to say Jiraiya wouldn't? Jiraiya would use the jutsu that best counters the opponent's jutsu. Plus it never said Jiraiya was IC
-Again, Jiraiya isn't IC
-Jiraiya can use other counters to amaterasu until he gets into Sage Mode, after which he uses the dust cloud.
-It all depends on starting distance.
-Sharingan can see through it, but it cannot light him up. Amaterasu requires that the caster looks directly at his target. Otherwise Itachi could just light people up on fire even if they were on the other side of a wall.

-kk
-amaterasu spreads on contact. it'll go to his face
-what r the chances he'll summon a toad right before itachi decides to use ama and RIGHT in front of him?
- jiraiya never did. dont need to be ic for that.
-k
- there r no other counters
-not rly
-no it doesn't. since he sees the chakra he'll know where to shoot. it goes thru it.

 

[Strict]

The fact they think Amaterasu one-shots Jman and the fact its been countered, combined with the fact that they have not posted any other argument just shows they can't even hold a decent serious debate.

Or they just don't want you to drag them down to your level so you can beat them with your experience.

 

[Beans2]

-kk
-amaterasu spreads on contact. it'll go to his face
-what r the chances he'll summon a toad right before itachi decides to use ama and RIGHT in front of him?
- jiraiya never did. dont need to be ic for that.
-k
- there r no other counters
-not rly
-no it doesn't. since he sees the chakra he'll know where to shoot. it goes thru it.

-Jiraiya shoots it off with Kebari Senbon
-Jiraiya can choose where to summon the toad, and he will do that to break Itachi's line of sight.
-Yeah, actually Jiraiya did use a kage bunshin against nagato
-Yes, there are other counters.
-Yes really.
-You are retarded.

No you won't. Your in the top Itachi wankers on this site. If Amaterasu is the only chance Itachi has to win versus Jman he most certainly loss. No one can make an argument to support Itachi outside of Amaterasu, which has already been countered. He has several other jutsu yet all they can muster up in an argument is Amaterasu. That tells me to stop deabting this.

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[LustyLover]

No you won't. Your in the top Itachi wankers on this site. If Amaterasu is the only chance Itachi has to win versus Jman he most certainly loss. No one can make an argument to support Itachi outside of Amaterasu, which has already been countered. He has several other jutsu yet all they can muster up in an argument is Amaterasu. That tells me to stop deabting this.

And you're one of the most idiotic members to have ever graced NB. You keep screaming "counter," "counter," but nobody here has uttered a single plausible defense against it, least of all you. There are a shitload of other ways for Itachi to stomp Jiraiya, however; there's no need to mention them when there's already an obvious attack in Itachi's arsenal that ends the match from the get-go.

 

[LustyLover]

Or they just don't want you to drag them down to your level so you can beat them with your experience.

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[Beans2]

And you're one of the most idiotic members to have ever graced NB. You keep screaming "counter," "counter," but nobody here has uttered a single plausible defense against it, least of all you. There are a shitload of other ways for Itachi to stomp Jiraiya, however; there's no need to mention them when there's already an obvious attack in Itachi's arsenal that ends the match from the get-go.

I think I listed some pretty plausible defenses...

 

[LustyLover]

I think I listed some pretty plausible defenses...

Not in a realistic situation you didn't.