[VS] Itachi vs Jiraya

[blazekev90]

Surely not, since Totsuka is an absolutely perfect spiritual weapon which was hyped by Kaguya's child.
While Jiraiya won't just look at the bottom and start fighting Itachi. Either you forget about this bs or you don't even start the debate.

Omg the wank is unreal!!

Strict...trying to add "Kaguya's child" your argument lol

 

[Draegod]

You're completely misinterpreting the scan. Kabuto knowing that Itachi would protect Sasuke, and not himself against the muki tensei attack which threathened both of them hit Itachi only because he used his Susanno to cover Sasuke, making him unable to do anything to protect himself.

As for the Swamp debate that's going on. It's pointless, The jutsu is summoning a swamp at a location that slowly drags an entity down. It's MUD . Chakra enhanced mud as stated by the databaook. Utilizing Sharingan to see the handseals prior, and knowing it's an earth jutsu will keep Itachi on guard, and the counter is simply adding chakra to your feet

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It isnt "Slowly", dont know where you got that from. And What I was arguing was that Itachi has no info of the jutsu, never seen it, and wouldn't know when it would come and what would happen. Unless you think He has Haguromo's ability to Time travel? Just because you see the handseals which isn't much btw, doesn't mean you know what will happen around you. Yomi isnt like Chidori, domu, clay, etc etc. It doesn't come from the user's body, it comes from anywhere on the planet itself that has a surface and defies gravity pulling you in instantly! There is nothing to talk about. Now if Itachi knew of the jutsu this would be a diff convo, but he does not.

But ofc Itachi fans do think he is god and can counter anything with no diff because he knows everything that has ever been shown with out ever seeing it ever. And every other character he fights is automatically stupid and will not know what to do to a genius like Itachi right?

 

[Strict]

If Itachi wouldn't have one shotted Orochimaru, people would also make dozen of threads, saying that Itachi supporter are wankers and fanboys because they think Itachi would solo a Sannin like Orochimaru low diff.

Itachi >> Orochimaru > Jiraiya.

 

[blazekev90]

If Itachi wouldn't have one shotted Orochimaru, people would also make dozen of threads, saying that Itachi supporter are wankers and fanboys because they think Itachi would solo a Sannin like Orochimaru low diff.

Itachi >> Orochimaru > Jiraiya.

Yes, placing someone in genjutsu less than a foot away from you proves how "superior" one is.

Yes, striking your opponent in mid-dialogue is so BA.

In neither situation did Orochimaru try to avoid his attacks, yet he was "one-shotted" lol

 

[LustyLover]

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It isnt "Slowly", dont know where you got that from. And What I was arguing was that Itachi has no info of the jutsu, never seen it, and wouldn't know when it would come and what would happen. Unless you think He has Haguromo's ability to Time travel? Just because you see the handseals which isn't much btw, doesn't mean you know what will happen around you. Yomi isnt like Chidori, domu, clay, etc etc. It doesn't come from the user's body, it comes from anywhere on the planet itself that has a surface and defies gravity pulling you in instantly! There is nothing to talk about. Now if Itachi knew of the jutsu this would be a diff convo, but he does not.

But ofc Itachi fans do think he is god and can counter anything with no diff because he knows everything that has ever been shown with out ever seeing it ever. And every other character he fights is automatically stupid and will not know what to do to a genius like Itachi right?

Everything you just said doesn't change the fact that what Owarij stated is correct; since the Sharingan can see the near future, Itachi can easily anticipate the signs and deduce that, from the signs Jiraiya had used, that the attack he's going to use is of the Doton element, leading to Itachi (who is tiers ahead of Jiraiya in intelligence) predicting that an attack from the earth (Doton) is going to, most likely, come from under him, meaning that Itachi can easily use his highly advanced Shunshin to either appear behind Jiraiya as to avoid getting caught in it or jump into the air and use his highly elite Katon usage to consistently propel himself out of the AoE of Yomi Numa like this.

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While doing this, he is also igniting the entire swamp. Once ignited, Itachi, still airborn, can put out the flames like he did in the past, rendering the entire swamp ineffective.

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[LustyLover]

Yes, placing someone in genjutsu less than a foot away from you proves how "superior" one is.

Yes, striking your opponent in mid-dialogue is so BA.

In neither situation did Orochimaru try to avoid his attacks, yet he was "one-shotted" lol

A 13 year old diseased Itachi beat a Legendary Sannin without even looking at him or raising a finger. His back was facing Orochimaru and Orochimaru still lost. Yeah, when you can do that, I'm pretty sure that means you're superior.

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^Lel look at this nígga

 

[Beans2]

If Itachi wouldn't have one shotted Orochimaru, people would also make dozen of threads, saying that Itachi supporter are wankers and fanboys because they think Itachi would solo a Sannin like Orochimaru low diff.

Itachi >> Orochimaru > Jiraiya.

I think Jiraiya > Orochimaru but that's my personal opinion.
And obviously ABC logic doesn't work. Orochimaru is irrelevant.

 

[Strict]

I think Jiraiya > Orochimaru but that's my personal opinion.
And obviously ABC logic doesn't work. Orochimaru is irrelevant.

Jiraiya failed to stop Orochimaru.
Later Orochimaru beat him easily as well. Yes, Jiraiya felt the effects of the drug Tsunade gave him, but Orochimaru had no arms.

What makes Jiraiya better than Orochimaru?

Itachi is too underestimated. The problem is that people think Itachi would give his opponents the chance to use significant tactics and maneuvers. That's never the case. He beat Orochimaru in a few seconds, saying that none of his Jutsu are effective against his eyes. He beat Deidara in seconds as well. And it will be the same against Jiraiya. Itachi has Genjutsu for all ranges and perfect distractions and feints to provoke eye contact for Genjutsu, as proven. He has Amaterasu which instantly covers your whole body in the black flames and causes such pain that the likes of Obito and Hachibi are screaming of pain.

The scenarios you think about are unrealistic. Jiraiya won't keep up with that. Itachi is faster, smarter, has powerful Genjutsu for all ranges, Amaterasu and Suanoo. Jiraiya won't be able to keep up with that, simply not. Itachi won't give him any chance.

 

[Beans2]

Jiraiya failed to stop Orochimaru.
Later Orochimaru beat him easily as well. Yes, Jiraiya felt the effects of the drug Tsunade gave him, but Orochimaru had no arms.

What makes Jiraiya better than Orochimaru?

Itachi is too underestimated. The problem is that people think Itachi would give his opponents the chance to use significant tactics and maneuvers. That's never the case. He beat Orochimaru in a few seconds, saying that none of his Jutsu are effective against his eyes. He beat Deidara in seconds as well. And it will be the same against Jiraiya. Itachi has Genjutsu for all ranges and perfect distractions and feints to provoke eye contact for Genjutsu, as proven. He has Amaterasu which instantly covers your whole body in the black flames and causes such pain that the likes of Obito and Hachibi are screaming of pain.

The scenarios you think about are unrealistic. Jiraiya won't keep up with that. Itachi is faster, smarter, has powerful Genjutsu for all ranges, Amaterasu and Suanoo. Jiraiya won't be able to keep up with that, simply not. Itachi won't give him any chance.

We don't know the details of the first Jiraiya vs Orochimaru. Sure, Jiraiya failed to stop Oro from leaving the village but oro failed to kill him as well (Jiraiya didn't have killing intent and Oro probably did. And they were in what, their late 20s when that battle happened? Neither of them were at full power.) Same with their next battle. Oro didn't have his arms, but Jiraiya was heavily drugged AND didn't go into Sennin Mode. (Most of Oro's jutsu don't need hand seals anyway.)

Anyway, that's my outlook on their encounters. I think in a 1v1 where both are at full power, Jiraiya would win.

 

[Strict]

I also think that in Sage Mode, Jiraiya would beat Orochimaru. If he starts in Sage Mode. But unfortunately, he need a full chapter of concentration to enter Sage Mode. Concentration during which he can't fight and was protected by his summon, which only fought other summons. I fail to see how Itachi can be kept away a whole chapter. That's impossible. Itachi can control summons, burn them with Amaterasu, crush and seal them with Susanoo. Itachi can instantly fire Amaterasu at Jiraiya, catch him in a Genjutsu, etc. If you think that Itachi won't be able to interrupt Jiraiya's ritual a whole chapter, you are very biased.

Even in Sennin Mode, Jiraiya wouldn't be able to counter Amaterasu, he wouldn't have a solid counter for the instant Tsukuyomi. Base Jiraiya will have no chance.

 

[Beans2]

I also think that in Sage Mode, Jiraiya would beat Orochimaru. If he starts in Sage Mode. But unfortunately, he need a full chapter of concentration to enter Sage Mode. Concentration during which he can't fight and was protected by his summon, which only fought other summons. I fail to see how Itachi can be kept away a whole chapter. That's impossible. Itachi can control summons, burn them with Amaterasu, crush and seal them with Susanoo. Itachi can instantly fire Amaterasu at Jiraiya, catch him in a Genjutsu, etc. If you think that Itachi won't be able to interrupt Jiraiya's ritual a whole chapter, you are very biased.

Even in Sennin Mode, Jiraiya wouldn't be able to counter Amaterasu, he wouldn't have a solid counter for the instant Tsukuyomi. Base Jiraiya will have no chance.

Well, Jiraiya's something of an escape artist. He has lots of techniques to hide his presence or buy himself prep time. For example, look at this scan.

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Not sure if that was shunshin, substitution, or what, but it would be effective for a quick escape if he was in a sticky situation.

Then there's his Toad Flatness: Shadow manipulation technique which allows him to go 2D.

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A good method to go into SM would be to create a bunch of kage bunshins, and attach himself to one of them using his shadow technique. The shadow clones can hold off Itachi, and in the event that Itachi finds the real one, Jiraiya can make a quick escape with the jutsu I mentioned earlier. There's really a lot of options actually.

 

[LustyLover]

Then there's his Toad Flatness: Shadow manipulation technique which allows him to go 2D.

A good method to go into SM would be to create a bunch of kage bunshins, and attach himself to one of them using his shadow technique. The shadow clones can hold off Itachi, and in the event that Itachi finds the real one, Jiraiya can make a quick escape with the jutsu I mentioned earlier. There's really a lot of options actually.

Shadow manipulation is useless seeing as how the Sharingan sees the color of chakra. Itachi would see right through it. Besides, this takes place in a wide, open field. Jiraiya using Shunshin to hide is useless; there's nowhere to go and even if he does use it he can follow him with his superior Shunshin. The only way for Jiraiya to enter SM is if he can outrun Itachi, and there's no way that's happening, not that it matters; even if Jiraiya starts automatically in SM, he still loses. Clones are useless if he's trying to enter SM because he needs to weave seals to use them and his hands aren't allowed to do so while attempting to enter SM.

 

[Strict]

Well, Jiraiya's something of an escape artist. He has lots of techniques to hide his presence or buy himself prep time. For example, look at this scan.

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Not sure if that was shunshin, substitution, or what, but it would be effective for a quick escape if he was in a sticky situation.

Then there's his Toad Flatness: Shadow manipulation technique which allows him to go 2D.

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A good method to go into SM would be to create a bunch of kage bunshins, and attach himself to one of them using his shadow technique. The shadow clones can hold off Itachi, and in the event that Itachi finds the real one, Jiraiya can make a quick escape with the jutsu I mentioned earlier. There's really a lot of options actually.

Except that Jiraiya won't be able to use techniques and fight while he is in the same position with folded hands. He could've escaped against Chikushodo, a weaker opponent, s well to enter Sage Mode. But that's simply unrealistic. Sending out a few Kagebunshin, hiding and entering Sage Mode a chapter long, while Itachi will be kept at bay by Bunshin and won't be able to follow Jiraiya. Other question if he could still use Ninjutsu, finger signs and move free while gathering Senchakra and calling Ma and Pa, but that's not the case. As I said, Itachi is smarter and faster than Jiraiya, he is an excellent strategist and reads people like an open book; Kabuto said he reads peoples souls and uses this in battle. Jiraiya is not one of the persons who could fool Itachi. He can't simply melt into thin air and hide where Itachi can't find him, to come out with SM. It's a weak excuse used as Jiraiya won't be able to keep Itachi away while doing his ritual.

 

[Beans2]

Except that Jiraiya won't be able to use techniques and fight while he is in the same position with folded hands. He could've escaped against Chikushodo, a weaker opponent, s well to enter Sage Mode. But that's simply unrealistic. Sending out a few Kagebunshin, hiding and entering Sage Mode a chapter long, while Itachi will be kept at bay by Bunshin and won't be able to follow Jiraiya. Other question if he could still use Ninjutsu, finger signs and move free while gathering Senchakra and calling Ma and Pa, but that's not the case. As I said, Itachi is smarter and faster than Itachi, he is an excellent strategist and reads people like an open book; Kabuto said he reads peoples souls and uses this in battle. Jiraiya is not one of the persons who could fool Itachi. He can't simply melt into thin air and hide where Itachi can't find him, to come out with SM. It's a weak excuse used as Jiraiya won't be able to keep Itachi away while doing his ritual.

I don't really know how to reply to this. All you're saying is how Itachi is so much smarter and can formulate strategies, but being smart doesn't mean he can automatically find Jiraiya without any trouble and be able to stop him from going into SM. Jiraiya just needs to hide and let his kage bunshins do the work. If you reread the chapter where Jiraiya was going into SM, it actually was not really that long at all.

 

[Jessika Uzumaki]

Well Itachi would win, but Jiraiya would do some damage to him of course.

 

[Strict]

As I said, it's just not realistic. Jiraiya won't just melt into thin air and hide somewhere Itachi can't detect him. It's a weak excuse as in fact, you see no possibility for Jiraiya to actually keep Itachi away. And what job will his Kagebunshin do? One swing of Susanoo's arm kills them instantly. He only needs to activate Susanoo's ribcage with an arm. Or he sends out a Kagebunshin as well which explodes in contact with Jiraiya's clones. A matter of seconds. And Jiraiya will need several minutes to enter Sage Mode.

And btw., the location is destroyed Konoha. So where will Jiraiya hide? Under the earth? Or will he teleport out of Konoha and back in SM?

Even if the location was the location where he fought Pain. Itachi would immediately follow him, while Jiraiya, who will remain in one position with folded hands, will be an easy target for him, since he can't do any Ninjutsu, feints or move freely. He will just stand in one position, doing his ritual and not being able to protect himself.

 

[LustyLover]

I don't really know how to reply to this.

This pretty much sums up everything

 

[Phonas]

Can we not flame each other over our points about fictional characters battling each other in a make belief world? It's so unprofessional.

Jiraiya calmly and confidentially giving his back to Itachi

But the whole point of me posting the scan of Itachi giving his back to Jiraiya was to partially prove that that whole inferiority statement was a blatant lie. It doesn't matter if Jiraiya was giving back.

Then you post Kakashi, not a earth jutsu, but kakashi trying to uppercut itachi.. lol... Show any piece of earth involved in that scan! Show any part of earth attempting to attack or do anything to him.. I'll wait..

And just so you know, the Hiding like a mole tech isn't an offensive or defensive jutsu, it is an supplementary jutsu. The ninja using the tech is the one that attacks and still has to make things happen. You literally proved nothing at all. How about we mention that he didnt even know that was a clone and kakashi was still underground huh?

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He already literally stated he seen Sasuke below, how does him seeing Sasuke chakra have anything to do With earth style jutsu? How is that even relevant to what is being discussed? Fire style and them talking and staring at each other equals Yomi now? Cool story, i'm out.

Erroneous statements. He never said that and they never spoke at that particular scene. The roof was still fully intact, covering Sasuke , so Itachi could not see Sasuke from below the roof without the Sharingan. He wasn't even focusing on Sasuke as the latter was about to weave signs to use Fire Style, since Itachi was too busy coughing up blood. Itachi reacted to the Fire Style instantly, as you look at his surprised visage.

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You're confusing that scan with what happened after Sasuke broke a portion of the roof with his Katon, leaving a huge opening. All of which came way, way afterwards. It was wasn't until then that Itachi could blatantly see and speak to him.

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It isnt "Slowly", dont know where you got that from. And What I was arguing was that Itachi has no info of the jutsu, never seen it, and wouldn't know when it would come and what would happen. Unless you think He has Haguromo's ability to Time travel? Just because you see the handseals which isn't much btw, doesn't mean you know what will happen around you. Yomi isnt like Chidori, domu, clay, etc etc. It doesn't come from the user's body, it comes from anywhere on the planet itself that has a surface and defies gravity pulling you in instantly! There is nothing to talk about. Now if Itachi knew of the jutsu this would be a diff convo, but he does not.

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[FlyingRaijinLVL2]

It was stated that if Itachi went against Jiraiya they'd kill each other resulting in a tie. With the genjutsu ban, Jiraiya wins mid-high difficulty since thats Itachis main form of attack.