[VS] Itachi vs Jiraya

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I think I listed some pretty plausible defenses...:(
The problem is, that these defenses are shit. And the even bigger problem is, that those who defend Jiraiya's side, consider this some serious counters and consider themselves the superior debaters, as there can't be a serious debate on such a level.
 

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Not in a realistic situation you didn't.

This isn't a realistic situation, this is a VS thread. I listed eight different counters to Amaterasu and you haven't responded to a single one of them. Until you point out why none of them will work, the idea that Amaterasu one-shots Jiraiya is debunked.
 

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The problem is, that these defenses are shit. And the even bigger problem is, that those who defend Jiraiya's side, consider this some serious counters and consider themselves the superior debaters, as there can't be a serious debate on such a level.

You've done nothing so far but talk shit and bash Jiraiya. I shouldn't even be taking you seriously.
 

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This isn't a realistic situation, this is a VS thread. I listed eight different counters to Amaterasu and you haven't responded to a single one of them. Until you point out why none of them will work, the idea that Amaterasu one-shots Jiraiya is debunked.

Realistically in NV is what I was inferring.

Give me a minute.
 

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Since amaterasu seems to be a hot topic, I will list the ways Jiraiya can counter it.

-Fire sealing scroll (situational obviously)
-Needle Jizo
-Frog summons to be used as meat shields (not in character but works regardless)
-Kage bunshins
-Substitution jutsu
-Dust cloud from Ma (SM only)
-Stay out of Amaterasu's range
-Smoke bombs

- Situational, right, meaning it's pretty much useless using against anything but his summonings (which is debatable, actually, seeing as how his summonings would be fried to a crisp by the time he writes out all the seals for all three of them).
- Needle Jizo isn't doing shit when Ama spreads straight to his vulnerable face.
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It spreads all over the place regardless.
- How is Jiraiya going to have enough time to pull out his toad summonings when Itachi's using Ama? What are the chances he'll use it IMMEDIATELY before Itachi goes for an Amaterasu shot? What happens when the toads are rendered useless? What will he do then? Nothing.
- Kage Bunshins are useless seeing as how he rarely even uses them and won't start out with them; he never has. Not being IC doesn't equate into someone miracuously using a technique that's going to save them. Besides, if he uses them, a single Bunshin Daibakuha is enough to clear them all and rid Itachi of his confusion as to which is the real one.
- Really?
- Since the Sharingan can easily see the color of chakra regardless of what's in front of them, this is no issue. Since the dust isn't an actual solid material, Amaterasu easily rips through it and hits the chakra Itachi is looking at (Jiraiya); if it doesn't, Katon clears it and then he activates it.
- Yes, but proficient enough Shunshin feats from Itachi shows that the plausibility of that is monstrously low.
- Kden.
 
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Jman wins if in character. With manga knowledge for sure its a win for him about mid diff with no restrictions!
 
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- Situational, right, meaning it's pretty much useless using against anything but his summonings (which is debatable, actually, seeing as how his summonings would be fried to a crisp by the time he writes out all the seals for all three of them).
- Needle Jizo isn't doing shit when Ama spreads straight to his vulnerable face.
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It spreads all over the place regardless.
- How is Jiraiya going to have enough time to pull out his toad summonings when Itachi's using Ama? What are the chances he'll use it IMMEDIATELY before Itachi goes for an Amaterasu shot? What happens when the toads are rendered useless? What will he do then? Nothing.
- Kage Bunshins are useless seeing as how he rarely even uses them and won't start out with them; he never has. Not being IC doesn't equate into someone miracuously using a technique that's going to save them. Besides, if he uses them, a single Bunshin Daibakuha is enough to clear them all and rid Itachi of his confusion as to which is the real one.
- Really?
- Since the Sharingan can easily see the color of chakra regardless of what's in front of them, this is no issue. Since the dust isn't an actual solid material, Amaterasu easily rips through it and hits the chakra Itachi is looking at (Jiraiya); if it doesn't, Katon clears it and then he activates it.
- Yes, but proficient enough Shunshin feats from Itachi shows that the plausibility of that is monstrously low.
- Kden.

-Agreed.
-There's no reason to believe the Jizo can't cover his face, seeing as he can manipulate his hair to this extent . Jiraiya probably left his face open so he could still see his opponent.
-He doesn't need to sacrifice a big toad, just a He already summoned one instantly, at the beginning of a previous fight with Itachi . It actually takes some time for Itachi to activate his MS and then cast amaterasu.
-Jiraiya is able to use kage bunshins, and he will use it if he benefits from the situation. Sasuke only used Kirin once, but that doesn't mean Kirin is a non-factor and Sasuke won't use it if the situation calls for it. You must have a better argument than "he won't start out with them because he's not in character." Jiraiya knows about Itachi's genjutsu so he will probably create clones (which are immune to genjutsu) in order to counter him. Jiraiya won't let an exploding clone near him anyways lol. Itachi's clones are easily taken down by any of Jiraiya's hair techniques, the best option probably being Kebari Senbon.
-Um, yes really. I'm not sure if is a substitution jutsu, but it has definitely helped Jiraiya out of a tricky situation before.
-Good ideas...but it doesn't work like that. The dust itself is filled with chakra, so Itachi will just be seeing a cloud full of chakra. Why do you think Kakashi's sharingan couldn't see through Zabuza's hidden mist jutsu? As for katons, they get overpowered by Jiraiya's superior katons and Ma just continues to spit out more dust.
-Probably true. But Jiraiya certainly isn't just going to stand there and let Itachi rush him.
-Indeed, smoke bombs solo Itachi.
 

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Jiraiya has no counter to Amaterasu. That alone ends the match, no other jutsu is needed unless someone can prove why Amaterasu won't work - which I highly doubt anyone can.

Jiraiya already sealed Amaterasu.

Jiraiya avoids Amaterasu.

Jiraiya bunshin feints Amaterasu.

Who has Amaterasu beaten, anyway? lol.

Underworld Swamp GG, prove me wrong.

Jiraya couldnt even stop a watered down orochimaru no arms or jutsu that itachi beat with totuska blade


Itachi mid diff

That was a drugged Jiraiya. Get your facts straight.

Genjutsu really does hurt him. It won't be a quick and easy win, now. But Jiraiya still isn't going to be able to stay in Sage Mode or enter it when Itachi has both Amaterasu and Yasaka Magatama at his disposal. Both will kill Jiraiya if contact is made, forcing him to stop the summoning of the sage toads or well, take the hit.


Itachi medium difficulties.

Why does Jiraiya need Sage Mode?

Ninjutsu: 5
Genjutsu: 3
Taijutsu: 4.5
Intelligence: 4.5
Strength: 4.5
Speed: 4.5
Chakra: 5
Handseals: 4.5

Those are his stats in base, and are more than adaquate for dealing with Itachi. Jiraiya also has a plethora of powerful jutsus at his disposal.

Lmao dat logic!! Amaterasu will catch Jiraiya before he has time to use clones buddy.

How?

Itachi has to close his eye.
Build chakra pressure.
Eyes bleeds.
Then focus on a target.

That's like 5 seconds of prep for a clone.

Great logic there, buddy.

jiraiya didnt even use clones against a very very very elite person. he didnt use it against pain at all much less the beginning. why would he use it against itachi? he wont.

And Itachi starts off fights spamming Amaterasu and stuff? Nice try.

ama cant be intercepted

Bee disagrees with you.

Amaterasu can be intercepted and dodged.

ay barely dodged it

jiraiya can't dodge it unless ur saying he's as fast as a v2 prepped ay

jiraiya doesnt have enough speed feats to dodge it

and since we have no feats of him using clones against top opponents

it's safe to assume he wont and will fall prey to ama

Ei comfortably dodged it.

People have kept up with Ei.

Sasuke dodged it.

We don't need to have any feats of him using what he can obviously use. Besides, he used a clone feint in his book, which Minato said was like Jiraiya's autobiography.

No, it's simply favorable to your argument.

i agree with you! except, if you can't respond fast enough/have good enough reaction speed, it's useless u know? jiraiya doesnt have good enough speed in order to do it, plus he doesn't actually have any jutsu to block ama even if he could react in time which he can't

There you go assuming again.

Jiraiya has a 4.5 in speed, same as Sasuke, and I'm sure he's faster than Bee's tail.

A Shadow Clone alone is all that's needed, or shoot it with a Katon.

No one please take advice from Bogard when it comes to a Jiraiya debate he really think Needle Jizo is a counter for ama when Jiraya hair turns back normal Ama will still be on his head l00l excuse the double.

Jiraiya seals it.

lol no it doesn't. besides using an attack against itachi is useless when he's about to fire ama. nothing jiraiya has is fast enough to stop itachi's ama after jiraiya sees his eye bleeding. when we see itachi's eye bleed, he literally lights up his opponent about half a second to a second later. jiraiya isnt whipping out an attack during that time and it's certainly not going to be fast enough to hit him before it's used.

So you think that Amaterasu is basically just the Deathnote in Itachi's eyes and he beats everyone with it? So basically powerlevels, match-ups, and everything else means nothing because Itachi one-shots everyone with a jutsu that is exactly as fast and powerful as you want it to be and all evidence to the contrary means nothing. Congratulations, your opinion doesn't matter.

I haven't seen a single viable counter thus far. I'm willing to change my mind if we see a proper enough counter for Amaterasu.

I remember you, you only believe what you want to believe.

Ok...

Underworld Swamp GG. Itachi has no counters.
Food Cart Destroyer GG. Itachi has no counters.
Flattened Silhouette Manipulation GG. Itachi has no counters.
Toad Gourd Prison GG. Itachi has no counters.
Frog Conversion GG. Itachi has no counters.

And you're one of the most idiotic members to have ever graced NB. You keep screaming "counter," "counter," but nobody here has uttered a single plausible defense against it, least of all you. There are a shitload of other ways for Itachi to stomp Jiraiya, however; there's no need to mention them when there's already an obvious attack in Itachi's arsenal that ends the match from the get-go.

I read a lot of "blah, blah, blah," but no actual facts or arguments presented.

This isn't a realistic situation, this is a VS thread. I listed eight different counters to Amaterasu and you haven't responded to a single one of them. Until you point out why none of them will work, the idea that Amaterasu one-shots Jiraiya is debunked.

You took the words out of my mouth.

You've done nothing so far but talk shit and bash Jiraiya. I shouldn't even be taking you seriously.

Well said, sir. You are impressing me.
 
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-Agreed.
-There's no reason to believe the Jizo can't cover his face, seeing as he can manipulate his hair to this extent . Jiraiya probably left his face open so he could still see his opponent.
-He doesn't need to sacrifice a big toad, just a He already summoned one instantly, at the beginning of a previous fight with Itachi . It actually takes some time for Itachi to activate his MS and then cast amaterasu.
-Jiraiya is able to use kage bunshins, and he will use it if he benefits from the situation. Sasuke only used Kirin once, but that doesn't mean Kirin is a non-factor and Sasuke won't use it if the situation calls for it. You must have a better argument than "he won't start out with them because he's not in character." Jiraiya knows about Itachi's genjutsu so he will probably create clones (which are immune to genjutsu) in order to counter him. Jiraiya won't let an exploding clone near him anyways lol. Itachi's clones are easily taken down by any of Jiraiya's hair techniques, the best option probably being Kebari Senbon.
-Um, yes really. I'm not sure if is a substitution jutsu, but it has definitely helped Jiraiya out of a tricky situation before.
-Good ideas...but it doesn't work like that. The dust itself is filled with chakra, so Itachi will just be seeing a cloud full of chakra. Why do you think Kakashi's sharingan couldn't see through Zabuza's hidden mist jutsu? As for katons, they get overpowered by Jiraiya's superior katons and Ma just continues to spit out more dust.
-Probably true. But Jiraiya certainly isn't just going to stand there and let Itachi rush him.
-Indeed, smoke bombs solo Itachi.

- Great.
- The hair itself is imbued with chakra to harden it and sharpen it. If he tries to cover it with his face, he'd rip it apart. Since he can't cover it because of this, Amaterasu would spread and instantly overwhelm him. Even if he could cover his face, Amaterasu would still burn straight through it when Itachi focuses on the flames to intensify it. It easily rendered CM2 wings that tanked high-level Katons to ashes in literally two seconds. I don't see why it can't burn his hair.
- When he summoned it he appeared on top of it. Since Amaterasu spreads, it'll spread on him easily. He'd have to jump off of it to avoid it, and when he does this, he's prone to get hit by Amaterasu.
- The fact remains that Jiraiya has never used Kage Bunshins in a serious battle and, even when it would of blatantly proved highly beneficial to him to do so, he has not. When Itachi and Jiraiya had their first encounter, Jiraiya never used a Kage Bunshin while fully aware of his Genjutsu prowess and that he was an Uchiha. There's no difference from both then and now.
- That's not a substitution jutsu. That's Shunshin to run and avoid getting soloed. He could of used a substitution jutsu, but he didn't. That's not how Jiraiya fights, so I don't see why he would suddenly start fighting in that way now. It's like saying Sasuke is going to start fighting like Ay simply because he finds his threat powerful enough. It's not happening.
- All of that is pretty useless when he already has his crow with a Sharingan positioned in the distance to watch all of Jiraiya's movements. Checking where to fire his Amaterasu is easy then. Besides, Jiraiya's Katon without Bunta was weak enough to be subjugated by Konan's basic paper style.
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Itachi overwhelming his Katon shouldn't be difficult. Besides, how would Jiraiya counter a Katon when he doesn't even know it's coming to him since the dust obscures where and what Itachi is doing? The best he could do is jump out of the way before it hits him and after it already cleared the dust. Itachi can also easily jump out of the dust and fire from there considering his elite Taijutsu and speed feats.
- He doesn't need to. All Itachi needs to do is engage in Taijutsu and once that happens, it's over for Jiraiya. He doesn't even need to do that. All he needs to do is Shunshin above him and fire from there. Even Bee, who has amazing reflexes and was able to respond to FTG, couldn't react in time to Itachi's Shunshin.
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Kabuto was able to easily dodge Sasuke's Susano'o arrow, which was so fast that Danzo didn't even have time to weave a single sign to avoid, and yet was blitzed by Itachi's Shunshin. Itachi closing distance should be no problem in the slightest.
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He blitzed three 3T precognitive users
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Jiraiya, who possesses less reaction time, agility, and speed than all of the people I've mentioned is not going to be able to keep up with him in Taijutsu AND he won't be able to out-distance him so he can't be killed by Amaterasu.


- Since the smoke bombs have no chakra, I don't see why Itachi shouldn't be able to see the color of Jiraiya's chakra through it and attack.
 
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Yeah, Amaterasu burns at Jiraiya's full body and he doesn't care, just takes out a scroll, and removes the flames. Doesn't matter that the flames throwed Obito off of his feet immediately and caused hellish pain.

And that's exactly the reason why ANY Itachi supporter should just leave this thread instead of debating with such idiots. Any argument would be wasted time.
 

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J Man wins. All of Jiraiya's boss summons will be out. He has no counter for these summons except for what, Amaterasu? You do realize he uses Amaterasu more than twice and he's practically drained already. He uses Susano and he dies in a few minutes.
 
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