[Theory] (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

[0moi]

I made this THEORY based off the some facts already given by the anime / manga & also my views of what I assumed happened between Hagoromo & Hamura. The reason for why I chose the clan being discussed will be in italics. Please give feedback positive or negative....

Kaguya Ôtsutsuki
-Ninja Goddess / Succubus-
ÔTSUTSUKI
She has the Title of "Princess" so there must be a King or Queen in which she came from. I don't know of any clan older than Ôtsutsuki so i'm placing her as it's ancestor until someone older is revealed.

Hagoromo Ôtsutsuki
-Fûinjutsu User-
UZUMAKI
Hagoromo was a master of sealing techniques, he also possessed multiple treasures that he used to perform these said sealing techniques. Uzumaki are renowned for their fûinjutsu, literally held as the best fûinjutsu users.

Hamura Ôtsutsuki
-Byakugan User-
HYÛGA
Byakugan is solely used by Hyûga. Not really much to add on this one.

Asura Ôtsutsuki
-Body Life Force-
SENJU
We all already know Asura is the ancestor of Senju, his life force received from Hagoromo was passed down to Senju.

Indra Ôtsutsuki
-Sharingan User-
UCHIHA
Same can be said for Indra, who supposedly received his dôjutsu from Hagoromo aswell passing down to Uchiha

Hagoromo & Hamura Each Have A Son

It would make more sense in a way if Indra was indeed the son of Hamura, seeing as Byakugan is actually the dôjutsu used by Kaguya & Hamura before Indra was even thought of meaning it came before Sharingan. Sharingan is just a subsidiary of the true Rinnegan, the red one with rings & tomoes. Asura being the son of Hagoromo already made sense because Hagoromo sealed all the bijû in himself meaning he had great life force to be able to hold so much chakra & not die of an "overload".

But the fact that Hagoromo also has Rinnegan destroys the "each son had a son" theory.... Unless Madara wasn't the first to take the power of a sibling to make himself stronger, maybe he got the ideal from Hagoromo from reading ancient scrolls, hearing urban legends growing up or the Uchiha stone. In this case I'll say Hagoromo wasn't born with a dôjutsu just Great Life Force, he took Hamura's Byakugan somehow for whatever reason.

The result was his Great Life Force fusing with Byakugan, giving him Rinnegan. Remember Byakugan came before Sharingan anyway, so Great Life Force + Byakugan = Rinnegan is probable seeing as Sharingan + Great Life Force = Rinnegan.

I know many will say "wouldn't that make Hagoromo the ancestor of the Uchiha too". But Hagoromo was never shown having Sharingan or Byakugan just Rinnegan. Isn't it funny how Hamura just only is shown having Byakugan but Hagoromo has the Rinnegan & the True Rinnegan both activated in the panel the two standing side by side, something aint adding up.

In Conclusion:
Hagoromo is the Uzumaki's ancestor
Hamura the Hyûga's
Asura the Senju's
Indra the Uchiha's
Indra is actually Hamura's son
Hagoromo obtained Rinnegan from Hamura

This is just my theory though....​

 

[Hidari]

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Extremely plausible.
Great thread!​

 

[Made in Heaven]

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I wish this would be true. Indra being hamura's child would make much more sense.

 

[Jasey]

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I wish this would be true. Indra being hamura's child would make much more sense.

I agree...

 

[Agumon]

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Lel, Uzumaki is a branch of the Senju. Other then that, I agree.

 

[0moi]

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Lel, Uzumaki is a branch of the Senju. Other then that, I agree.

I searched extremely hard for that evidence, but only came up with Uzumaki & Senju have ancient ties. Nowhere does it say Uzumaki are a part of Senju. Mito Uzumaki did indeed marry Hashirama Senju, but Uzumaki was well established by then.

 

[Gerkak]

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Interesting. But I don't think so

 

[0moi]

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Interesting. But I don't think so

As stated it's just my theory, you're free to correct anything I may have missed.

 

[Shinato]

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I searched extremely hard for that evidence, but only came up with Uzumaki & Senju have ancient ties. Nowhere does it say Uzumaki are a part of Senju. Mito Uzumaki did indeed marry Hashirama Senju, but Uzumaki was well established by then.

Black Zetsu states that Nagato is of the Senju lineage even though he is a Uzumaki.

 

[Six Paths]

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Very Nice thread, I like it a lot

 

[Jasey]

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I just remembered that there was also a Hagoromo clan that fought with the Uchiha against Senju. That probably doesn't mean anything, but just throwing that out there.

 

[0moi]

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Black Zetsu states that Nagato is of the Senju lineage even though he is a Uzumaki.

Same can be said about Tsunade, whose last name is Senju but is also Uzumaki because of her grandmother Mito. That still doesn't make Uzumaki a Senju branch though.

 

[Shinato]

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Same can be said about Tsunade, whose last name is Senju but is also Uzumaki because of her grandmother Mito. That still doesn't make Uzumaki a Senju branch though.

No, Tsunade is a Senju. Her grandmother was a Uzumaki which makes her part Senju. (Or full Senju. Depends what her parents were. One parent had to be part Uzumaki, though the other may have been a pure Senju. Leaving her as more of a Senju than a Uzumaki.) Nagato was a pure Uzumaki from what we know, yet BZ stated he was of the Senju Lineage, meaning that they are one and the same.

 

[0moi]

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No, Tsunade is a Senju. Her grandmother was a Uzumaki which makes her part Senju. (Or full Senju. Depends what her parents were. One parent had to be part Uzumaki, though the other may have been a pure Senju. Leaving her as more of a Senju than a Uzumaki.) Nagato was a pure Uzumaki from what we know, yet BZ stated he was of the Senju Lineage, meaning that they are one and the same.

Was Nagato pure? Only his mother possessed the common trait of red hair, his father's hair was a dark hue. "Based on Obito's words, at least one of them(Nagato's parents) is descended from the Uzumaki" - Narutopedia Search: Nagato's Parents

 

[0moi]

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I just remembered that there was also a Hagoromo clan that fought with the Uchiha against Senju. That probably doesn't mean anything, but just throwing that out there.

Spoiler

I know of it, when Hashirama & Madara met for the 1st time a Hagoromo clan member was dead in the river right?

When I confirmed Hagoromo was actually the Sages first name I paid no mind to that clan anymore lol. I just assumed it was a clan paying homage to Hagoromo Ôtsutsuki or a mere coincidence. Kashi should really stop recycling names....

 

[Shinato]

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Was Nagato pure? Only his mother possessed the common trait of red hair, his father's hair was a dark hue. "Based on Obito's words, at least one of them(Nagato's parents) is descended from the Uzumaki" - Narutopedia Search: Nagato's Parents

He was still stated to be an Uzumaki, or atleast that he had the trademark Uzumaki hair. His father may have been a Senju, but that doesn't really change much. However, there are no solid proof regarding Tsunade and Nagato's parents. The Uzumaki was stated to be relatives of the Senju, but never the Uchiha. (That may also be because no one never really knew that the Senju and Uchiha were relatives.) So far, there are no solid proof and thus we are left to believe what we want. (If Nagato wasn't pure, then your theory is more likely, if he was then it breaks your theory.)

 

[grindheim]

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nice theory..
hagoromo being the ancestor of uzumaki is very probable.

 

[InvaderRaz]

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Black Zetsu states that Nagato is of the Senju lineage even though he is a Uzumaki.

Black Zetsu has just been shown in the last chapter have been lying about literally everything he has ever said. You can't take anything he says as fact.

 

[Shinato]

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Black Zetsu has just been shown in the last chapter have been lying about literally everything he has ever said. You can't take anything he says as fact.

What did he lie about? He never said he was Madara's will, he never said he was on Madara's side. He didn't lie about Hagoromo and Hamura, nor Kaguya. He never lied about anything now that I think about it, please tell me what he lied about.

 

[MACHETE]

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Does this confirm naruhina?