[Theory] (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

[narutokage99]

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Hagoromo = Uchiha+Senju and Hagoromo's bro= Hyuga+Uzumaki

Kaguya has got both Senju, Uzumaki, Hyuga and Uchiha power.

Hagoromo is the one whom children got Senju and Uchiha. (strong chakra + strong eyes)
Hagoromo's brother is the one whom children got Uzumaki and Hyuga power. ( strong chakra +strong eyes)

We know that Uzumaki and Senju has distant blood relative.

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So Apart Kaguya who is the non distant ancestor of Byakugan and Uzumaki power?Since Hagoromo had 2 sons it can't be him , it can only be Hagoromo's brother.

We know that Uchiha fought Senju and Uzumaki were very close to Senju, it would make sense if Hyuga were involved in this fight.Kishi didn't developpe Hyuga enough and we don't know much about this clan.

An other thing is that Uzumaki village got destroyed because they used forbidden fuinjutsu, and as magical Hyuga has a strong seal to protect Byakugan.I'm starting to think that Uzumakis were involved in the creation of this seal since it can seal eyes and control the person which seems Uzumaki's speciality.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

Hagoromo = Uchiha+Senju and Hagoromo's bro= Hyuga+Uzumaki

Kaguya has got both Senju, Uzumaki, Hyuga and Uchiha power.

Hagoromo is the one whom children got Senju and Uchiha. (strong chakra + strong eyes)
Hagoromo's brother is the one whom children got Uzumaki and Hyuga power. ( strong chakra +strong eyes)

We know that Uzumaki and Senju has distant blood relative.

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So Apart Kaguya who is the non distant ancestor of Byakugan and Uzumaki power?Since Hagoromo had 2 sons it can't be him , it can only be Hagoromo's brother.

We know that Uchiha fought Senju and Uzumaki were very close to Senju, it would make sense if Hyuga were involved in this fight.Kishi didn't developpe Hyuga enough and we don't know much about this clan.

An other thing is that Uzumaki village got destroyed because they used forbidden fuinjutsu, and as magical Hyuga has a strong seal to protect Byakugan.I'm starting to think that Uzumakis were involved in the creation of this seal since it can seal eyes and control the person which seems Uzumaki's speciality.

Then where does the kaguya clan come in all of this?
They're obviously descended from kaguya.....

 

[EthioBoi]

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Anybody else remember these eyes that were first introduced with Indra? Don't know if they come into play later or just an early design for Indra.

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[Mr Hiru]

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Meh, I don't care anymore. Even if it was Hamura the one who started the Uzumaki Bloodline, both Hagoromo and Hamura have the red hair trait.

Ergo, one line got the red hair manifested, other one got other traits... in the end, that's how genetic works.

 

[SasukexNeji]

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I still want more info on the Hyuga clan...

 

[Shisho]

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Defintely makes sense on why Kakashi said "Some say that the Byakugan originates from the Sharingan" if this theory is right, my fake father will die first, but it means Kishi planned this out from the beginning.
Kishi, you little ...

Kakashi never said that, albeit I don't watch the anime, but he never said it in the manga. Anime is known to make up fluff, which is why I avoid it like a plague, so please do not use the anime to back up manga facts. We have now seen in-manga, the character conscious longest, acknowledge the send and Uchiha the main descendants of Hagoromo. Due to Hagoromo having a rinnegan, and Hamura having a byakugan, I believe that the byakugan descended solely from the Hamura side, while the sharingan developed solely from Hagoromo's line. This would still make them "cousin" bloodlines, just not descending bloodlines. Also, based on color scheme and design, it would be somewhat retarded to actually have byakugan and sharingan descend from the other.

 

[ROHAN]

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Kakashi never said that, albeit I don't watch the anime, but he never said it in the manga. Anime is known to make up fluff, which is why I avoid it like a plague, so please do not use the anime to back up manga facts. We have now seen in-manga, the character conscious longest, acknowledge the send and Uchiha the main descendants of Hagoromo. Due to Hagoromo having a rinnegan, and Hamura having a byakugan, I believe that the byakugan descended solely from the Hamura side, while the sharingan developed solely from Hagoromo's line. This would still make them "cousin" bloodlines, just not descending bloodlines. Also, based on color scheme and design, it would be somewhat retarded to actually have byakugan and sharingan descend from the other.

He actually did say so in the manga.

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[Shisho]

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He actually did say so in the manga.

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Heh, you almost ruined your own argument there. Hearsay about similar origins is far different from saying they are descendants.

Saying they have similar origins supports that they come from brothers, "Hagoromo and Hamura."

 

[ROHAN]

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Heh, you almost ruined your own argument there. Hearsay about similar origins is far different from saying they are descendants.

Saying they have similar origins supports that they come from brothers, "Hagoromo and Hamura."

I really don't understand what you are saying ? BTW, Someone did make an argument on this :

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[Shisho]

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I think what that argument says is what I was saying. Firstly, Kakashi's point was made on hearsay which is never to be taken seriously. Secondly, if Hamura's son had the sharingan, or the sharingan descended from the byakugan, it would be originates from, rather than origins lie with. Origins lie with indicates that they are two entirely separate bloodlines, that were shared by family, of which one line developed a sharingan and one a byakugan. Originates from would indicate that Hamura is the source of the sharingan.

I do not like going of hearsay in the first place, as it is all speculation. Even the hearsay, however, supports my side of the argument. The side of the argument that says the sharingan and byakugan are simply "cousin" or "brother" bloodlines, and not descending bloodlines. What you brought up did not say descending, nor did it indicate a descending level.

In regards to what you posted, I was speaking in regards to originating from, not having similar origins. In that regards, I was correct. What you posted had nothing to do with what I said Kakashi did not say. I said Kakashi did not say they share the same origin, not that they did not share similar origins.