[Theory] (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

Why would he lie about hagoromo awakening the rinnegan? He's right only madara and hagoromo are the ones who ever acquired it therefore his statement still stands.


Half of his power split between his sons, like presumably like in kaguya's case. one of her sons has her byakugan while the other has the rinnegan/sharingan.
He knows he awakened it but was Hagoromo born with the dôjutsu?
 

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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

No one knows *shrugs*
Which is why it's still just a big theory in my mind lol. Trying to answer the what ifs with given information before the truth is actually revealed. I really appreciate your challenging statements.
 

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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

Hamura possessed a dôjutsu, Uzumaki don't have one, no real connection...
Uhhhhhhhh Drupa durp, Senju don't have Dojutsu but uhhhhh Uchiha do....Uhhh Durrrrrrr.

=_= you have a brain use it.
 

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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

Uhhhhhhhh Drupa durp, Senju don't have Dojutsu but uhhhhh Uchiha do....Uhhh Durrrrrrr.

=_= you have a brain use it.
You said one of Hamura's children is most likely the origin of Uzumaki. I've explain my theory more than once so i'll just let you read again. Uzumaki can't be the descendants of Hamura seeing as he has a dôjutsu, & Uzumaki don't. Uchiha are the descendants of Indra, this we already. Hagoromo used sealing techniques which leads me to believe the Uzumaki are in fact his descendants, not Indra's, Asura's, or Hamura's.
 

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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

I could see Hagoromo and Hamura paralleling Madara and Izuna. Hagoromo taking Hamura's eyes and becoming a much more recognized figure than his brother. Just like Madara and Izuna. Just a thought though, no real evidence here.
 

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I could see Hagoromo and Hamura paralleling Madara and Izuna. Hagoromo taking Hamura's eyes and becoming a much more recognized figure than his brother. Just like Madara and Izuna. Just a thought though, no real evidence here.
That's basically what I was getting at
 

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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

No I think you`re misinformed, remember in the context it was explained that when you had both the Uchiha and Senju dna, one can awakened the rinnegan, so that concludes hagoromo to be the anchestor of Senju and Uchiha clan while Hamura who was said to use some special sealing technique to seal all 9 bijuu inside Hagoromo assuming it`s an Uzumaki and the death reaper looks like him. So in other word Hamura is an Uzumaki and the Hyuga since he equipped the Byakugan
 

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The one thing I dislike about this theory is, that sharingan is assumed to be a descendant of the byakugan. That is completely untrue and has no base, not to mention I a 90% certain that Hagoromo would have had rinnegan his entire life. What COULD make sense though is that Hamura is an ancestor of the Kaguya also, perhaps one of his sons had bone abilities. It would make sense since we all know that Kaguya had the sharingan/rinnegan and byakugan. If Hamura got the Byakugan and shikotsumyaku, Hagoromo got the Rinnegan/Sharingan and her "body/sage chakra". At lest this is what would make sense to me to be added to your theory.
 

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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

I don't think you understand how ancestry works. How can Rikodu be the ancestors of the Uzumaki specifically? Even if I was to go with you theory that he only had 1 son, Ashura, then Ashura would more directly be the ancestor of the Uzumaki.
 
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You said one of Hamura's children is most likely the origin of Uzumaki. I've explain my theory more than once so i'll just let you read again. Uzumaki can't be the descendants of Hamura seeing as he has a dôjutsu, & Uzumaki don't. Uchiha are the descendants of Indra, this we already. Hagoromo used sealing techniques which leads me to believe the Uzumaki are in fact his descendants, not Indra's, Asura's, or Hamura's.
But what sealing technique did he use???
 

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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

I wish this would be true. Indra being hamura's child would make much more sense.
Actually, a Spoiler was once released which said that Indra was Hamura's son and Hagoromo adopted Indra after Hamura's Death. I wonder if that was a future spoiler and was actually true.
 

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Actually, a Spoiler was once released which said that Indra was Hamura's son and Hagoromo adopted Indra after Hamura's Death. I wonder if that was a future spoiler and was actually true.
LOL... uh no.
 

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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju



He was still stated to be an Uzumaki, or atleast that he had the trademark Uzumaki hair. His father may have been a Senju, but that doesn't really change much. However, there are no solid proof regarding Tsunade and Nagato's parents. The Uzumaki was stated to be relatives of the Senju, but never the Uchiha. (That may also be because no one never really knew that the Senju and Uchiha were relatives.) So far, there are no solid proof and thus we are left to believe what we want. (If Nagato wasn't pure, then your theory is more likely, if he was then it breaks your theory.)

Correction distant relatives.. We will never know what percentage of lineage Nagato or Tsuande (Senju & Uzumaki) is due to Kishimotos's way of character development. There are so many holes and missed info to alot of characters specially the Uzumaki clan and Senju true relation. For all we know they are related via marriage or third cousin's.
 

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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

There was a spoiler released which said the exact same thing. Whether it will come true or not is a completely different matter altogether.
i remeber that spoiler too. but it most likely was wrong and included something about obito being dead lol.
 

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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

There was a spoiler released which said the exact same thing. Whether it will come true or not is a completely different matter altogether.
Link please? If you don't have one I'll just chalk this up to, "something I heard on the internet". I think we all know how reliable that sort of info is.
 
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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

Hagoromo did the same thing as Madara, hagoromo was uchiha and Uzumaki, and hamura was senju and hyuuga. hagoromo stole his brothers senju cells, so he could have senju and uchiha chakra. Which would explain why he thought that one of the Indra and ashura reincarnated would create this scenario. When hagoromo has the rinnegan, when he gets close to the moon, he would awaken his third eye, exactly how Madara did.

Hamura is bound to have died in the sealing of the ten tails, to save the world, in a similar way to how hashirama would if he was in that scenario.

Also it said somewhere that hagoromo's hair was a light red colour, as if, like Madara, his own hair colour fades when he gets rinnegan.
 

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Re: (CONTAINS SPOILERS) The Real Clan Ancestors Of The Hyûga Uzumaki Uchiha & Senju

Hamura possessed a dôjutsu, Uzumaki don't have one, no real connection...
Defintely makes sense on why Kakashi said "Some say that the Byakugan originates from the Sharingan" if this theory is right, my fake father will die first, but it means Kishi planned this out from the beginning.
Kishi, you little ...
 
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