Jiraiya vs Hebi Sasuke

[makosheva7]

Neither addresses the current scenario, which has no restrictions and no prep. He is never achieving SM in the fight.

I don't see how those things matter. Kirin isn't getting pulled off without Amaterasu help. Sure Sasuke's genjutsu can pose a problem for Jiraiya but unless I'm mistaken he doesn't have to be in SM to have ma and pa use their sound genjutsu (sound genjutsu > visual genjutsu). Base Jiraiya high diff imo... he doesn't even need SM...

 

[Benjamin King]

This can go either way. Hebi Sasuke beast base Jiraiya, but SM Jiraiya will have an edge.

 

[Apêx1]

I don't see how those things matter. Kirin isn't getting pulled off without Amaterasu help. Sure Sasuke's genjutsu can pose a problem for Jiraiya but unless I'm mistaken he doesn't have to be in SM to have ma and pa use their sound genjutsu (sound genjutsu > visual genjutsu). Base Jiraiya high diff imo... he doesn't even need SM...

Kirin isn't required.. at all. He needs to do the ritual to summon them. Unless You are saying Sasuke will let him, then it is out of the question. Sasuke has better speed feats than Jiraiya could dream of. Sasuke blitzes, his C2 body flicker shown in the Deidara fight is v1 Ay levels.

 

[shelke]

Kirin isn't required.. at all. He needs to do the ritual to summon them. Unless You are saying Sasuke will let him, then it is out of the question. Sasuke has better speed feats than Jiraiya could dream of. Sasuke blitzes, his C2 body flicker shown in the Deidara fight is v1 Ay levels.

If you are refering to the CS2 homing bomb he dodged, then he did it without CS2. It was the second one for which he used CS2, and he couldn't dodge that one. But then again, it was freaking huge. So Big that Deidara's dragon looks like a spot on the manga panel.

It was all foot-speed for the former one. Sasuke evaded and struck Ae with Chidori at 3T and with foot speed as well. He slightly edges out V1 Ae.

 

[Apêx1]

If you are refering to the CS2 homing bomb he dodged, then he did it without CS2. It was the second one for which he used CS2, and he couldn't dodge that one. But then again, it was freaking huge. So Big that Deidara's dragon looks like a spot on the manga panel.

It was all foot-speed for the former one. Sasuke evaded and struck Ae with Chidori at 3T and with foot speed as well. He slightly edges out V1 Ae.

Daym. I always thought he did it with v2 since I thought it would be unlikely he could accomplish such a thing with his base body flicker. DatSasuke. I don't know about him edging out v1 Ay, I simply think he is more agile and has quicker striking speed.

 

[makosheva7]

When you say the ritual you mean when he was trying to enter SM right? Like I said, it shouldn't matter if Jiraiya is in SM or not if he wants to summon Ma and Pa. I agree Sasuke is way faster but its not like it could end in a thrust attack without Chidori (using his sword) because of Needle Jizo and because of Jiraiya's ability to manipulate his hair to attack at long lengths. And base Jiraiya's strength is incredible as well, if Sasuke gets hit once by even base Jiraiya he will defs be screwed (although its not likely). Plus he's kinda got Toad Mouth Trap, which Sasuke has no way of getting out of. In terms of "trapping" him in there Jiraiya can turn into Sasuke's shadow whilst Sauce is trying for a thrust attack, then Sauce won't know where he is and he can put him in the trap.

 

[Apêx1]

When you say the ritual you mean when he was trying to enter SM right? Like I said, it shouldn't matter if Jiraiya is in SM or not if he wants to summon Ma and Pa. I agree Sasuke is way faster but its not like it could end in a thrust attack without Chidori (using his sword) because of Needle Jizo and because of Jiraiya's ability to manipulate his hair to attack at long lengths. And base Jiraiya's strength is incredible as well, if Sasuke gets hit once by even base Jiraiya he will defs be screwed (although its not likely). Plus he's kinda got Toad Mouth Trap, which Sasuke has no way of getting out of. In terms of "trapping" him in there Jiraiya can turn into Sasuke's shadow whilst Sauce is trying for a thrust attack, then Sauce won't know where he is and he can put him in the trap.

No I do not. He needs to use blood to summon Ma and Pa like here

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This took him an entire chapter to accomplish. He either gets blitzed in that time frame or the Toad kills him by catching him off guard via genjutsu. I disagree to the rest as well. His hair isn't protecting him from any chidori variant. Needle jizo is countered by chidori senbon. Toad mouth trap will not work in any given condition, nor will it work against someone who can use chidori long spear and genjutsu within the mouth.

 

[makosheva7]

No I do not. He needs to use blood to summon Ma and Pa like here

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This took him an entire chapter to accomplish. He either gets blitzed in that time frame or the Toad kills him by catching him off guard via genjutsu. I disagree to the rest as well. His hair isn't protecting him from any chidori variant. Needle jizo is countered by chidori senbon. Toad mouth trap will not work in any given condition, nor will it work against someone who can use chidori long spear and genjutsu within the mouth.

I see the ritual was due to Jiraiya not having perfect SM. While I agree that chidori itself would get through his hair, its debatable to say chidori spear gets through (enlighten me, like I'm actually curious) And needle jizo isn't Jiraiya only offensive hair attack, he can manipulate it to attack in many different ways (as he caught Pain in it momentarily). I highly doubt anything short of Amaterasu can break through Toad Mouth Trap as nothing short of Amaterasu can allow escape (as Jiraiya was very confident they would be caught, but didn't count on Amaterasu).

 

[Airbear]

Either one high- difficulty

 

[slimreaper]

1 or 2 fireballs won't cause lightning clouds, sorry. Itachi's amaterasu basically made it possible for Sasuke to use Kirin. And it was only due to plot. There's a reason why Sasuke never used it again and that's because it's impractical and requires too much time to set up.

Jiraiya wins low difficulty.

please explain this

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[Gamaken]

I think that Jiraiya is too skilful for a hebi Sasuke to take out.

Isn't Jiraiya supposed to equal Itachi in power?

 

[GodKage]

J man wins low diff

 

[Apêx1]

I see the ritual was due to Jiraiya not having perfect SM. While I agree that chidori itself would get through his hair, its debatable to say chidori spear gets through (enlighten me, like I'm actually curious) And needle jizo isn't Jiraiya only offensive hair attack, he can manipulate it to attack in many different ways (as he caught Pain in it momentarily). I highly doubt anything short of Amaterasu can break through Toad Mouth Trap as nothing short of Amaterasu can allow escape (as Jiraiya was very confident they would be caught, but didn't count on Amaterasu).

He manipulates its shape at will

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and reks other noobs while he's using his kusanagi raiton enhanced sword

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. Getting him into the toad mouth is unlikely plausible nor effective.

 

[lelerskates]

please explain this

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Explain what? Did you see him us Kirin? No? Then don't make baseless assumptions.

 

[Silver Wolf]

Sorry even Hebi Sasuke at full power is not close to Sannin level let alone Sennin level

 

[slimreaper]

Explain what? Did you see him us Kirin? No? Then don't make baseless assumptions.

its heavily implied. This is how you know you are a sasuke hater/in denial

 

[lelerskates]

its heavily implied. This is how you know you are a sasuke hater/in denial

Heavily implied? His using a jutsu was implied. Him using Kirin wasn't implied considering we didn't know what Kirin was at that point in time. Also he required chidori in his hand to use it and he didn't even have it active. Bottom line is that you seem to believe that Sasuke can cause storm clouds in an instant which is not the case, hence making YOU a blind Sasuke fanboy with no concrete proof that he could use it without any clouds. You fail troll posts just keep showing me that you will wank him till the end of time.

 

[Gamaken]

its heavily implied. This is how you know you are a sasuke hater/in denial

In all honesty, I thought he was going to use the summoning jutsu.

 

[Apêx1]

its heavily implied. This is how you know you are a sasuke hater/in denial

Ignore them, the scan is denied by most Sasuke haters. We will probably see it soon as it was done in that case^, ignorance is bliss.

 

[makosheva7]

He manipulates its shape at will

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and reks other noobs while he's using his kusanagi raiton enhanced sword

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. Getting him into the toad mouth is unlikely plausible nor effective.

I see you're point about the chidori manipulation but I don't think its a good idea to demonstrate raiton sword's sharpness with EMS Sasuke feats.