Tsunade is a bad Hokage???

[mohdzarif]

I choked on my coffee, tsunade united the nations?, lmao

That's not what he meant...

 

[mohdzarif]

Tsunade might be the weakest hokage combat wise(although her supreme medical skills somewhat make up for it) but the real reason I like her is because she handles politics the best. For she, she didn't allow danzo and his 2 b**ches(the konoha council) to make all the decisions for her(a la hiruzen.....) and she treated naruto like a comrade(and not just a weapon) Also, I doubt she would have segregated the uchiha the way danzo/hiruzen (or tobirama to a far lesser extent) did. Overall, she has had a nice reign-bar Pain attacking the village. Then again, given how strong he was, only hashirama would have won against him.(and possibly tobirama, but that's debatable.)

Yeah I really agree on how u said she didn't approve of what Danzo and the elders said...

 

[mohdzarif]

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Your backpedaling and insipid arbitration isn't helping you save face, lmao. Kabuto exposed Tsunade's weakness, and countered beautifully while admitting he isn't even good at taijutsu. As well as school Shizune neg diff with basic Doton.

Those are the facts, titboy. Those are the real facts, kid. Drawn and written in black and white. Your rationalization holds no merit, but feel free to keep dancing on those puppet strings. #KabutoWrecks

Just noticed this LOL, only 2 aspects? Senses and strength? She obviously means strength as a shinobi since Kabuto isn't physically stronger than her, lmfao.
Actually, I wouldn't put that past you. Keep it up, this is gold

The fight with Kabuto is not a good example at all. You do know he got "blood phobia" (i dunno the real term).

Don't forget her fight with Madara along with the other Kages. She fought well, managed to break Madara's Susanoo. And she played a major role healing them multiple times. She was the one who recovered them to go to Ten-tails place.

 

[mohdzarif]

I agree, also minato was the worst hokage

Tsunade > Minato in strength, taijutsu, ninjutsu, and in being hokage. GG trolls U_U

Then, you are the one trolling LMAO Lol without any sort of evidences... smh

Just accept it, people usually put Minato at least at no. 3 from all 5 Hokages...

 

[Joshutsu]

I choked on my coffee, tsunade united the nations?, lmao

Yes, you do realise the nations can say whatever they wan't unless the hokage did not agree to is the leaf would not have been a part of this war or any prior agreement.

I say she united the 5 nations loosely in that she did not refuse anyone offering a truce with leaf.

She made bonds with Suna first and foremost. Then the others truly began to work together and she truly desired peace among nations and was not in it to pull a fast one on anyone. Yes she did assist in uniting the 5 nations, they would not be united if one of the 5 did not want to.

Have any other hokage made true bonds with any village? No? Then shush

Naruto can TnJ all he wants, but it's because of Tsunade he would have had a chance to meet people and change their hearts because she could have had him locked away like the jinchuriki he is.

 

[KingHashirama]

Indeed she is the worst compared to her predessors

That is without a doubt Hiruzen and Minato.

 

[maniaoqan]

That is without a doubt Hiruzen and Minato.

Minato took care of Tobi and Kyuubi in the same day. Saved village's ass even though he wasn't Hokage for a long time. While he was trying to save his child and wife. So no he did the best anyone could.

Hiruzen failed in Uchiha massacre though I agree he is worst than her.

 

[KingHashirama]

Minato took care of Tobi and Kyuubi in the same day. Saved village's ass even though he wasn't Hokage for a long time.

Hiruzen failed in Uchiha massacre though I agree he is worst than her.

- Yea what about the 100+ Shinobi and Hiruzen that helped Minato against Kyuubi + Obito? And if you are talking about the "Hero of the 3rd war".. yea well same for Tsunade son. In fact she is the one that limited the casualities in the 3rd war and the second war.. @Medical ninjutsu.. Sorry but shinobi feats wise Minato doesn't come close to any other Hokage.

- He failed in the massacre, Let Danzo live while he was trying to overthrow Hiruzen, Let Orochimaru live while knowing he experimented on leaf ninja.


Protecting the village = Job of every single shinobi of the village.

Hokage's greatness is determined by the things he / she did outside protecting the village. Minato has one thing on his accomplishments, and that is the survival of Naruto, and him thinking ahead and sealing the kyuubi in him.

 

[maniaoqan]

Naruto had to use Kyuubi's help in order to take down the Paths, as well as Ma and Pa. As such it wasn't a solo.

Well techniqually Kyuubi used Naruto's body and tried to break free.

- Yea what about the 100+ Shinobi and Hiruzen that helped Minato against Kyuubi + Obito? And if you are talking about the "Hero of the 3rd war".. yea well same for Tsunade son. In fact she is the one that limited the casualities in the 3rd war and the second war.. @Medical ninjutsu.. Sorry but shinobi feats wise Minato doesn't come close to any other Hokage.

- He failed in the massacre, Let Danzo live while he was trying to overthrow Hiruzen, Let Orochimaru live while knowing he experimented on leaf ninja.


Protecting the village = Job of every single shinobi of the village.

Hokage's greatness is determined by the things he / she did outside protecting the village. Minato has one thing on his accomplishments, and that is the survival of Naruto, and him thinking ahead and sealing the kyuubi in him.

Minato was hokage for quite a short time. You know that right? He managed quite a lot in that short time. Tsunade did her best when Pain came but she underestimated him. Villages defences shouldn't be that low to break in. She was aware of Pain's existence.

 

[KingHashirama]

Minato was hokage for quite a short time. You know that right? He managed quite a lot in that short time. Tsunade did her best when Pain came but he underestimated him. Villages defences shouldn't be that low to break in. She was aware of Pain's existence.

You are not understanding the fact that Hiruzen/Minato/Tobirama/Hashirama all had strong ninjas under them.. Tsunade was caught off guard.. There are much important things to do for the village, rather then just keep expecting an attack.

Only strong ninja under Tsunade were Hiashi/Kakashi/Gai 2 of which were sent on missions.. And then Naruto himself being sent on a mission to train just in case.

Not to mention during Hiruzen's/Minato's/Tobirama's/Hashirama's reign they weren't betrayed by a konoha ninja. Tsunade was.


He didn't accomplish anything besides protecting the village.. that is my point. I'm gonna put him over Tsunade.. who actually did accomplish a whole lot of things. You can't make the "short time" an excuse.. because chose it to be "short time", by not letting Hiruzen help him.



"The fellow countrymen of
the Konoha make up each part
of my body… those of the
village believe in me, and I
believe in them… That's what
it means to be Hokage!"


Tsunade did everything that means to be a Hokage..She protected the parts of her body, over the material village, because you can build an another village, if you have people surviving..

 

[maniaoqan]

You are not understanding the fact that Hiruzen/Minato/Tobirama/Hashirama all had strong ninjas under them.. Tsunade was caught off guard.. There are much important things to do for the village, rather then just keep expecting an attack.

Only strong ninja under Tsunade were Hiashi/Kakashi/Gai 2 of which were sent on missions.. And then Naruto himself being sent on a mission to train just in case.

Not to mention during Hiruzen's/Minato's/Tobirama's/Hashirama's reign they weren't betrayed by a konoha ninja. Tsunade was.


He didn't accomplish anything besides protecting the village.. that is my point. I'm gonna put him over Tsunade.. who actually did accomplish a whole lot of things. You can't make the "short time" an excuse.. because chose it to be "short time", by not letting Hiruzen help him.

As I said she was aware of Pain's existence. She had no excuse to caugh off guard. That man managed to kill Jiraiya. Possessed Rinnegan. Power of Rikudo sennin. Even toad sage afraid. You say short time was no excuse for Minato. She had more than 3 years. She knew Danzo was sneaky but failed to do anything about him even though she had time. She just ignored Danzo like Hiruzen. She is a good medic but a bad leader.

 

[AllHailKurama]

In terms of strength, she's not the strongest. However that aside she is surely top 2 among hokage.

1.) Tsunade/Hashirama
2.) Tsunade/Hashirama
3.) Minato (Minato is easily at three, you can argue he's above this as well. If you don't thinks so you're insane lol)
4.) Tobirama
5.) Hiruzen

 

[KingHashirama]

As I said she was aware of Pain's existence. She had no excuse to caugh off guard. That man managed to kill Jiraiya. Possessed Rinnegan. Power of Rikudo sennin. Even toad sage afraid. You say short time was no excuse for Minato. She had more than 3 years. She knew Danzo was sneaky but failed to do anything about him even though she had time. She just ignored Danzo like Hiruzen. She is a good medic but a bad leader.

why was Hiruzen caught off-guard with Orochimaru, when he knew his existence???

Why was Minato caught/Hiruzen caught off-guard, while they knew anything could happen during the kyuubitransfer?

Son, she was already prepping for Pain... However, if Pain didn't catch Konoha off-guard.. that would just take away feats from Pain.. the fact he managed to catch a prepped konoha, off-guard is a feat to Nagato's genius.. rofl.

"Bad leadeR".. yea sadly Mei doesn't agree with you there. Same for Jiraiya.. Same for the people who were happy to see her.

Wanna know why? Because she saved dozens of lives by establishing the Medical ninja system.

 

[Stxluciferr]

Tsunade inherited the problems caused by the other hokages, and truth be told she didn't cause the village many problems

 

[ShiroT]

Come again?

Naruto was lying on the floor with rods through his body until the Kyuubi intervened and even then, he only got rid of the Six Paths because Nagato committed suicide.

Tsunade saved all the lives of the civilians and shinobi alike.

nobody care about those fodders

 

[Black Wolf]

Tsunade has done nothing to justify calling her a bad Hokage. People seem to call her a bad Kage because they find her weak, and while I do believe her to be on the lower end of the power spectrum, it has nothing to do with leadership skills.

There are Kage who have done worse. Hiruzen was far too lenient with Danzo and Orochimaru, which ended up biting him in the ass in the long run. Tobirama created a technique that is currently the main reason why the world is endangered and put the Uchiha in a pseudo-concentration camp. Onoki made deals with Akatsuki. There are far better examples of Kages who have made bad decisions than Tsunade. Tsunade has not made an bad decisions that come to mind.

 

[archbeta]

Tsunade might be the weakest hokage combat wise(although her supreme medical skills somewhat make up for it) but the real reason I like her is because she handles politics the best. For she, she didn't allow danzo and his 2 b**ches(the konoha council) to make all the decisions for her(a la hiruzen.....) and she treated naruto like a comrade(and not just a weapon) Also, I doubt she would have segregated the uchiha the way danzo/hiruzen (or tobirama to a far lesser extent) did. Overall, she has had a nice reign-bar Pain attacking the village. Then again, given how strong he was, only hashirama would have won against him.(and possibly tobirama, but that's debatable.)

You think Minato would have had a problem with Pein?

 

[-Drāke-]

You think Minato would have had a problem with Pein?

Of course, it's pain we're talking about.

 

[archbeta]

I wonder, what if Danzou used Kotoamatsukami on Hiruzen?

 

[Joshutsu]

You are not understanding the fact that Hiruzen/Minato/Tobirama/Hashirama all had strong ninjas under them.. Tsunade was caught off guard.. There are much important things to do for the village, rather then just keep expecting an attack.

Only strong ninja under Tsunade were Hiashi/Kakashi/Gai 2 of which were sent on missions.. And then Naruto himself being sent on a mission to train just in case.

Not to mention during Hiruzen's/Minato's/Tobirama's/Hashirama's reign they weren't betrayed by a konoha ninja. Tsunade was.


He didn't accomplish anything besides protecting the village.. that is my point. I'm gonna put him over Tsunade.. who actually did accomplish a whole lot of things. You can't make the "short time" an excuse.. because chose it to be "short time", by not letting Hiruzen help him.



"The fellow countrymen of
the Konoha make up each part
of my body… those of the
village believe in me, and I
believe in them… That's what
it means to be Hokage!"


Tsunade did everything that means to be a Hokage..She protected the parts of her body, over the material village, because you can build an another village, if you have people surviving..

Oh i just loved reading this omg lol nice!!