EMS is NOT borrowed power

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Sorry you just contradict yourself because Itachi's eyes originated from Itachi and guess what he is? a separate entity..........:|
Actually uchiha's eyes are the projector of a person's power, not the originator, except special techniques. Ems Sasuke doesn't have any special technique oringated from itachi in power except the actual eyes
 
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"Their blood thinned." Heavy indicator that Uchihas are degraded.
The only time the manga has shown the Sharingan degrading is when we learned that Kaguya's original Sharingan had more tomoe then a normal one. When it manifested itself in Indra there was nothing to indicate that it was any different then the Sharingan that came after it.
 

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So every Uzumaki clan member is made to be the 9 Tailed host? I'm sorry I believe there is only 1 Kurama, and dozens and dozens of spare eyes. What is the probability of getting eyes passed down weighed against the chance of getting the only 9 Tailed beast in existence? Stop.
I could apply the same argument to the uchihas. Not every Uchiha has EMS. Infact even gaining 3 tomoe is a huge accomplishment and MS is only gained by a select few. There're only 2 people in the long history of the Uchiha to gain EMS. Not much of a ritual is it?
 

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People try to compare the two because they think Naruto is somehow lesser if he has to get power from another entity.Both Sasuke and Naruto made thepowers 'given' to them their own.
The only power itachi gave sasuke was that one time amaterasu. And itachi also gave naruto ka(in condition)
 

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I could apply the same argument to the uchihas. Not every Uchiha has EMS. Infact even gaining 3 tomoe is a huge accomplishment and MS is only gained by a select few. There're only 2 people in the long history of the Uchiha to gain EMS. Not much of a ritual is it?
It's actually not comparable because anyone with a strong body can become a jinchuuriki. It's not specific to the Uzamaki, but MS and EMS are.
 

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if 2 uchiha both wanted each others eyes, they'd have to fight to decide who takes them. obviously that's not a ritual, just damage control from butthurt fans. ppl claim it's as easy as swapping eyes but there's more to it than that, otherwise Maddy and Izuna both would have had EMS. Only a select few Uchiha have even had EMS, obviously it's an external power, whether or not the uchiha fans want to admit it, even though it really doesn't matter.
 

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It's actually not comparable because anyone with a strong body can become a jinchuuriki. It's not specific to the Uzamaki, but MS and EMS are.
And yet inspite of all the senjus in Konoha, they had to go all the way to land of whirlpool to get Uzumakis to become Kurama's jinchuriki.
I wonder why? It's not about just having a strong body. Your chakra also has to be compatible with the bijuu.
 

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I love how people say the Sharingan is naturally passed down.

Izuna willingly gave Madara his Sharingan, and told him to protect the Uchiha with it. It is now rightfully Madara's.

Obito willingly gave Kakashi his Sharingan, and told him to protect Rin with it. It is now rightfully Kakashi's.

Sasuke literally stole Itachi's Sharingan from his corpse, something Itachi did not want to happen. It is not rightfully Sasuke's.

Sasuke is no different from Danzo, taking the eyes of others to further his own powers.
 

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There is not a single scan in the manga to prove the outlandishly hilarious statement that only Uzumakis can become Nine-tails' Jins. The fact that Naruto has become one, automatically proves this nonsense wrong.
 
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There is not a single scan in the manga to prove the outlandishly hilarious statement that only Uzumakis can become Jins. The fact that Naruto has become one, automatically proves this nonsense wrong.
Naruto is a Uzumaki that inherited the Uzumaki lifeforce so how does that proves anything wrong?
 
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