Sasuke(Chunin Exam) vs Kid Kakashi

[shelke]

^ I am not debating this any more. Believe whatever you want as Raikiri WAS an empty threat. Dance around this argument all you want. Comparsion is apt, as Kid Kakashi could barely compete with a sub-Par Jounin, who couldn't handle two kids - one of them was a terrible Shinobi and I don't even need to name him. You think he would perform better if more panels were dedicated to him?

Saying that he would be able to exhibit excellent feats when those feats clearly otherwise, and hinging it all on the lack of panel time is not a sound logic as well, quite the opposite. Ask yourself honestly, if he could barely hold his own against that Jounin, how good will he perform against Haku, Gaara, or Ororchimaru as a kid? Come on, even you know the answer to this.


P.s: After the intent to kill he wasn't frozen? I don't even ...

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

^ I am not debating this any more. Believe whatever you want as Raikiri WAS an empty threat. Dance around this argument all you want. Comparsion is apt, as Kid Kakashi could barely compete with a sub-Par Jounin, who couldn't handle two kids - one of them was a terrible Shinobi and I don't even need to name him. You think he would perform better if more panels were dedicated to him?

Saying that he would be able to exhibit excellent feats when those feats clearly otherwise, and hinging it all on the lack of panel time is not a sound logic as well, quite the opposite. Ask yourself honestly, if he could barely hold his own against that Jounin, how good will he perform against Haku, Gaara, or Ororchimaru as a kid? Come on, even you know the answer to this.


P.s: After the intent to kill he wasn't frozen? I don't even ...

What? All I did was describe the pages in an objective manner, yet you try to add your own interpretations as if they are fact.

Could barely compete with a sub par Jounin. Please show me. I saw him own the 19 clones and I saw him protect Obito in which he ended up losing his eye. The opponent was invisible, how many shinobi without doujutsu would fall to a ninja who can become invisible? Is that not one reason why Muu is so feared?

It's not about performance, it's about feats. If he had more chapters about him, he would have more feats. For example, we saw that he owned Gai w/ no sharingan in the CE something that Sasuke could not do to Lee even with sharingan. And this was in a chapter about Obito. To think that if Kakashi had more panel time, and would not display more feats is absolutely ludicrous.

You talk as if Sasuke beat Haku, Gaara, or Orochimaru. Haku had him left for dead, Gaara had him paralyzed, and you're ridiculous to think that Sasuke stood a chance against Orochimaru at all. It's clear what his intentions were. Give him the curse seal.

No he wasn't frozen, unless you can show me where it says 'I can't move'. Just because he didn't move, doesn't mean he couldn't. He was guarding Sasuke the entire time. Sasuke who by the way was passed out.

Edit: I also like how you completely disregard the fact that Kakashi and Obito owned that one rock jounin, who somehow managed to survive, and kill Obito. Then Kakashi owned him instantly after leaving the cave.

 

[shelke]

^ I am being subjective? All right, man. Whatever you say.

Compared to the likes of Haku, Gaara, and Orochimaru, yes, he was quite sub-par.

Yet you fail to realize why Sasuke lost to Haku. Try to take in all the factors. Gaara didn't paralyze him, Sasuke's own CS did, I never even mentioned that, so please, stop making up things I never said.

Frozen and paralysis are not even remotely related. Frozen is a state brought about by fear, something clear from the scans.

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

^ I am being subjective? All right, man. Whatever you say.

Compared to the likes of Haku, Gaara, and Orochimaru, yes, he was quite sub-par.

Yet you fail to realize why Sasuke lost to Haku. Try to take in all the factors. Gaara didn't paralyze him, Sasuke's own CS did, I never even mentioned that, so please, stop making up things I never said.

Frozen and paralysis are not even remotely related. Frozen is a state brought about by fear, something clear from the scans.

So the reason why Sasuke lost was not similar to the reason why Kakashi lost his eye and "couldn't keep up with a sub par jonin"?

I know his CS paralyzed him, but it's not like he could have beat Gaara anyway. As soon as Shukaku came out Sasuke would have been stomped.

But Im done here, have a nice day.

smh ridiculous.

 

[shelke]

^ First you state that Gaara paralyzed him, now he didn't? And I am being insanely subjective?

No, what's ridiculous is you ignoring the fact that he really was frozen after the killing intent from Ororchimaru, quite profusely sweating as well.

Thank god.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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Look at the scans I posted very carefully, Kakashi was not even going to fight Orochimaru, he admits it himself:



You just lost any credibility you had.

In the first 4 scans u posted oro makes no comment on sasuke's body. Like I said from the get go it was only his eyes. Heck he practically drooled just being near kakashi.

In the last 2 scans you posted its only after he feels the killing intent that he changes his mind.


What I fail to see is how sasuke throwing his life away is gonna help him win. Since unlike oro kid kakashi has no qualms on killing him.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

^ I am being subjective? All right, man. Whatever you say.

Compared to the likes of Haku, Gaara, and Orochimaru, yes, he was quite sub-par.

Yet you fail to realize why Sasuke lost to Haku. Try to take in all the factors. Gaara didn't paralyze him, Sasuke's own CS did, I never even mentioned that, so please, stop making up things I never said.

Frozen and paralysis are not even remotely related. Frozen is a state brought about by fear, something clear from the scans.

A)Haku wasn't even trying to kill them. And his hype inside the gates is unreasonable. It matters not since lee who's much faster shitted on that version of sasuke, and so it's kid kakashi.

B)Sasuke wasn't going to beat garra when the only way he can harm him was chidori. But again it doesn't matter. What does matter is how long he was able to maintain both chidori and his weightless Lee speed and from what we saw in the fight. Not long.
Kakashi on the other hand fights at those speeds on the regular and the only scans we have of him show him fighting at those speeds. As for chidori. Kakashi maintained it long enough to stab 18 different opponents, WITHOUT getting tired .

His fight with oro is another fight where his opponent wasn't going to kill him. Even if sasuke felt that he was. I'm not gonna say it doesn't matter cuz he did show some cute shuriken techs but again against kakashi it's pointless. He'd deflect with his dad's tanto our kunai of his own messing up the whole setup.

All killing intent aside neither of them have the ability to freeze their opponent with killing intent so idk why you're focusing on it so much. It's not a factor in this fight.

 

[Takos]

Kakashi stomps.
Sorry, it's a manga confirmed fact that chunin exam Sasuke was on chunin level, while kid Kakashi was a jonin.

I assume we're talking about Kakashi without Sharingan. If he has Sharingan, it's MUCH worse for Sasuke.

 

[shelke]

^ Haku was trying to paralyze Sasuke by striking at his specific points, which he couldn't.

All of them were Bushins and none of them countered him -

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as according to Minato he couldn't see the counter -

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. Besides, those morons gave away their location themselves -

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- Let's not forget, Minato was deflecting the fatal Kunai attacks through out -

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When the original tried -

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- Minato rescued him -

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- Feats indeed.

- Orochimaru wanted Sasuke for his body. This was made clearer in part two and even more clear through Kabuto's statements. Won't look for the scans as it's too obvious.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

^ Haku was trying to paralyze Sasuke by striking at his specific points, which he couldn't.

All of them were Bushins and none of them countered him -

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as according to Minato he couldn't see the counter -

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. Besides, those morons gave away their location themselves -

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- Let's not forget, Minato was deflecting the fatal Kunai attacks through out -

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When the original tried -

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- Minato rescued him -

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- Feats indeed.

- Orochimaru wanted Sasuke for his body. This was made clearer in part two and even more clear through Kabuto's statements. Won't look for the scans as it's too obvious.

Your not getting it. Them being bunshin doesn't make his running speed any slower. I brought it up not because they are clones but because he had to run at bare minimum as fast as weightless Lee just to maintain chidori and maintain chidori and still hit 18 clones. During sasukes fight with garra we clearly saw that running that fast tires him out.
Kakashi not only ran at that speed comfortably(he didn't tire out) but maintained chidori long enough for 18 strikes.
On top of that he can use chidori without prep.

This brings us to the conclusion that kakashi's stamina and speed is better than that of sasukes and he's more accustomed to fighting at high speeds than sasuke is.
Quite frankly that's all he needs, since sasukes fireballs aren't touching him, he can keep pace/out pace sasuke even if sasuke uses chidori.

 

[Champ]

Sasuke low diff

 

[shelke]

Your not getting it. Them being bunshin doesn't make his running speed any slower. I brought it up not because they are clones but because he had to run at bare minimum as fast as weightless Lee just to maintain chidori and maintain chidori and still hit 18 clones. During sasukes fight with garra we clearly saw that running that fast tires him out.
Kakashi not only ran at that speed comfortably(he didn't tire out) but maintained chidori long enough for 18 strikes.
On top of that he can use chidori without prep.

This brings us to the conclusion that kakashi's stamina and speed is better than that of sasukes and he's more accustomed to fighting at high speeds than sasuke is.
Quite frankly that's all he needs, since sasukes fireballs aren't touching him, he can keep pace/out pace sasuke even if sasuke uses chidori.

Look carefully at the distance. How big is it? It does mean a lot that the ninjas gave away their positions and Minato shielded him all the way from potentially fatal attacks.

No it doesn't. Kakashi's stamina some ten plus years later was absolute crap and he himself admits it, but his kid version had great stamina? What are you basing this on? When Kakashi himself said during Tree Climbing Session that Sasuke and Naruto have large chakra reserves.

Why aren't they touching him?

 

[madvictory]

Kid Kakashi is a superior version of Kid Sasuke

Spoiler

Ranks

Kakashi was jounin at 9 when part1 Sasuke was confirmed chunin lvl ninja by Genma, but not above

Combat aptitude

While 2tomoe Sharingan Sasuke got owned by Lee

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Kid Kakashi was already defeating Lee's master(Guy)

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Difference in speed

Sasuke was keeping up with chunin lvl fighters when Kakashi was already fighting on par with war arcs high speed elite ninjas

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And even war elite ninjas were shocked by his speed

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Sensing

Kakashi also displayed great awareness of his surroundings due to his incredible sense of smell, capable to localise even hiding opponents, impressing even his sensei

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Can't say the same concerning Sasuke who got surprised multiple times by hiding opponents [

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Jutsu execution

Part1 Sasuke couldn't form Chidori without preparations

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When Kakashi could form the handseals and use it on a run in a taijutsu battle against a high speed taijutsu elite ninja before the tip of the blade even touched the ground

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Conclusion

Kid Kakashi was on a lvl above part1 Sasuke and i didn't even take his 2tomoes Sharingan in consideration

You put Sasuke BEFORE THE CHUNNIN TRAINING & EXAM, not the one in this VS thread. Herp Derp.

PS: Lee himself stated that Sasuke in the chunnin exams, while fighting Gaara, was as fast and stronger than him.

 

[madvictory]

Sharingan Sasuke can't even keep up with base Lee whereas Kakashi owned Gai easily and that's just prove he has better sharingan,speed and taijutsu.Then ninjutsu, intelligence it's obvious kid Kakashi is clearly above.
Kakashi take this low dif

Sasuke lost to Lee a lot BEFORE the chunnin exams & before Kakashi's training. When Sasuke was fighting Gaara in the chunnin exams, Lee stated Sasuke was as fast as him. You're obviously an idiot who hasn't even read the manga at all.

PS: Nice profile pic and signature, I find it hilarious how you have a foot fetish on anime characters.

 

[Chīkara]

Kid Kakashi >Introduction arc. Sasuke. Mid-low diff.
Chuunin Exam Sasuke > Kid Kakashi. extremely high diff.
VOTE Sasuke > Kid Kakashi. low diff.

 

[scorezor]

That's why he was using it against Gaara right?



Both Naruto and Sasuke are genin even now and both are stronger than Kakashi. Sasuke, fresh out of the academy and Naruto before he even graduated defeated Chuunin as well. Yet you think rank is gonna make Kakashi take it?

oh , this shit still ol , i'm outta here , it doesn't matter really , because no one compares both lol.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

Why are people still debating this, Kakashi low-dif.​

 

[Takos]

Why are people still debating this, Kakashi low-dif.​

This is beyond me, too.

 

[shelke]

^ Irrefutable facts ... Wait ...

 

[Mishima]

Why are people still debating this, Kakashi low-dif.​

After looking at all the post there really isn't any real argument suggesting that Kakashi wins this. Most people are just saying "He wins because he was a Jonin" when by feats Sasuke beats him.