Sasuke(Chunin Exam) vs Kid Kakashi

xKiD SPiiD3rMaN · Feb 22, 2014

' ~ Dantee ~ ' said:
Every shinobi uses body flicker or some sort of shunshin. It was never noted that this speed was strictly footspeed. Why does it sound like Kakashi supporters are making this up as they go along. The only reason Kakashi ranked up so fast was because of war. Yes he is a genius but he couldn't lead Obito and Rin without getting one of them almost killed. You guys are overhyping him.

That's not fair to say.

Rin is clearly a reliability as a ninja.

First time she got kidnapped Obito ends up dead.

Second time she ends up killing herself.

BenjerminGaye · Feb 22, 2014

' ~ Dantee ~ ' said:
Every shinobi uses body flicker or some sort of shunshin. It was never noted that this speed was strictly footspeed. Why does it sound like Kakashi supporters are making this up as they go along. The only reason Kakashi ranked up so fast was because of war. Yes he is a genius but he couldn't lead Obito and Rin without getting one of them almost killed. You guys are overhyping him.

Minato said it. He has the speed and strength for the tech.
He also proved it when fighting the fast jounin again.

Body flicker is only good for blitzes which is the only way le sauce at the time could use chidori/ get past garra's sand.

Dantee · Feb 22, 2014

xKiD SPiiD3rMaN said:
That's not fair to say.

Rin is clearly a reliability as a ninja.

First time she got kidnapped Obito ends up dead.

Second time she ends up killing herself.

I'm looking through this thread and people only bring up the fact he is a Jounin. Kakashi had trouble dealing with jounins of his own and still lacks basic leadership skills a jounin has. this further supports the fact ranks are rushed during times of war.

BenjerminGaye said:
Minato said it. He has the speed and strength for the tech.
He also proved it when fighting the fast jounin again.

Body flicker is only good for blitzes which is the only way le sauce at the time could use chidori/ get past garra's sand.

If anything Sasuke speed can only be >= to Kid Kakashi because he also uses chidori which requires a massive amount of speed. There is no mention of spamming body flicker which I'm sure most ninjas use anyway, only that Sasuke couldn't keep up the speed because of his stamina.

Even so Kakashi was always noted to have bad stamina. Sauske got tired because he had to keep constantly moving to fight Gaara. This isn't happening against Kakashi who won't even have sharigan precog. Sasuke has a clear edge imo.

Kakashi cant beat him in a tai battle because Sasuke most likely is surperior copying Lee taijutsu, similar speed and sharigan precog

If Kakashi uses chidori he gets 1 paneled.

Any other battle tatics or strategies are assumptive but I would give Sasuke the edge as well. He has more feats in part 1 to go by. Even Oro was impressed.

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Enki420 · Feb 22, 2014

T Bogard said:
Kid Kakashi is a superior version of Kid Sasuke

Ranks

Kakashi was jounin at 9 when part1 Sasuke was confirmed chunin lvl ninja by Genma, but not above

Combat aptitude

While 2tomoe Sharingan Sasuke got owned by Lee

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Kid Kakashi was already defeating Lee's master(Guy)

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Difference in speed

Sasuke was keeping up with chunin lvl fighters when Kakashi was already fighting on par with war arcs high speed elite ninjas

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And even war elite ninjas were shocked by his speed

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Sensing

Kakashi also displayed great awareness of his surroundings due to his incredible sense of smell, capable to localise even hiding opponents, impressing even his sensei

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Can't say the same concerning Sasuke who got surprised multiple times by hiding opponents [
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Jutsu execution

Part1 Sasuke couldn't form Chidori without preparations

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When Kakashi could form the handseals and use it on a run in a taijutsu battle against a high speed taijutsu elite ninja before the tip of the blade even touched the ground

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Conclusion

Kid Kakashi was on a lvl above part1 Sasuke and i didn't even take his 2tomoes Sharingan in consideration

logical ownage!

BenjerminGaye · Feb 22, 2014

Sasuke's normal speed:

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Sasuke's body flicker:

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Sasuke panting after using body flicker clearly showing signs of exhaustion. Something rock Lee picks up on:

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Lee commenting on the weakness of running in a straight line at his opponents. A weakness kakashi knows about due to minato telling him/experiencing it first hand. Running like that leaves them open to counters:

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Fact remains kakashi maintained both speed and chidori long enough to kill 18 of the 20 clones. Sasuke could only do it in short bursts.(something that rock lee/kakashi never did) A punch here, a kick there so even with his 2 tonne sharingan that can't predict movement. Unless he wants to tire himself out trying to exchange with kakashi cqc is a losing fight for him.
As for stamina. Kakashi maintained chidori longer and used it more times(3 to sasuke's 2.) And if need be he still had rasengan to fall back on in which he doesn't have to be moving at top speed in a straight line for it to be effective.

Fireballs get casually side stepped.

BenjerminGaye · Feb 22, 2014

T Bogard said:
Kid Kakashi is a superior version of Kid Sasuke

Ranks

Kakashi was jounin at 9 when part1 Sasuke was confirmed chunin lvl ninja by Genma, but not above

Combat aptitude

While 2tomoe Sharingan Sasuke got owned by Lee

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Kid Kakashi was already defeating Lee's master(Guy)

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Difference in speed

Sasuke was keeping up with chunin lvl fighters when Kakashi was already fighting on par with war arcs high speed elite ninjas

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And even war elite ninjas were shocked by his speed

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Sensing

Kakashi also displayed great awareness of his surroundings due to his incredible sense of smell, capable to localise even hiding opponents, impressing even his sensei

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Can't say the same concerning Sasuke who got surprised multiple times by hiding opponents [
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Jutsu execution

Part1 Sasuke couldn't form Chidori without preparations

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When Kakashi could form the handseals and use it on a run in a taijutsu battle against a high speed taijutsu elite ninja before the tip of the blade even touched the ground

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Conclusion

Kid Kakashi was on a lvl above part1 Sasuke and i didn't even take his 2tomoes Sharingan in consideration

I'm here debating I didn't even realize u solo'd.
And that's without sharingan and rasengan.

Dantee · Feb 22, 2014

BenjerminGaye said:
I'm here debating I didn't even realize u solo'd.
And that's without sharingan and rasengan.

No one has soloed anything. You guys are bringing up moot points. What rasengans? lol Kid Kakashi has only used 1 chidori consecutively. Normal speed, body flicker? really. You cant tell the difference because of Kishis drawing style. You can't go based off assumptions. You completely ignored the fact Sasuke was moving full speed against the whole fight against Garra.

Lee comments no such thing about a straight line only that he would get tired faster because his stamina is not up to par with that speed. Maintained chidori longer that is hardly a feat if it is one at all. Sasuke got a direct hit thats why he didn't maintain chidori against Gaara. Kakashi was running through clones who are significantly weaker than the original.

I was just being nice honestly but by feats Kid Kakashi gets tossed around and shitted on. He hasn't done anything feat wise to prove he can win against Sasuke. The one out of two times he fights before his sharigan he almost dies by a no name fodder. The 2nd time he gets his ass whooped until Obito saves him.

Edit:Sniffing out Sasuke won't help him in this match. The only edge Kid Kakashi ever had over his opponents as a kid is speed. And well Sasuke is probably faster and has sharigan.

BenjerminGaye · Feb 22, 2014

' ~ Dantee ~ ' said:
No one has soloed anything. You guys are bringing up moot points. What rasengans? lol Kid Kakashi has only used 1 chidori consecutively. Normal speed, body flicker? really. You cant tell the difference because of Kishis drawing style. You can't go based off assumptions. You completely ignored the fact Sasuke was moving full speed against the whole fight against Garra.

Lee comments no such thing about a straight line only that he would get tired faster because his stamina is not up to par with that speed. Maintained chidori longer that is hardly a feat if it is one at all. Sasuke got a direct hit thats why he didn't maintain chidori against Gaara. Kakashi was running through clones who are significantly weaker than the original.

I was just being nice honestly but by feats Kid Kakashi gets tossed around and shitted on. He hasn't done anything feat wise to prove he can win against Sasuke. The one out of two times he fights before his sharigan he almost dies by a no name fodder. The 2nd time he gets his ass whooped until Obito saves him.

Edit:Sniffing out Sasuke won't help him in this match. The only edge Kid Kakashi ever had over his opponents as a kid is speed. And well Sasuke is probably faster and has sharigan.

Imma get back to you. It's hard doing this on my phone.

BenjerminGaye · Feb 22, 2014

' ~ Dantee ~ ' said:
No one has soloed anything. You guys are bringing up moot points.

None of which you countered.

What rasengans?

Kakashi said said while training naruto"the only reason he even created chidori is because he couldn't mix rasengan with his lightning affinity." Common sense brings us to the conclusion that before he showcased chidori he already had mastery over rasengan. After all it would be pointless to try mix in any element if the user can't even create the normal version.

lol Kid Kakashi has only used 1 chidori consecutively.

Minato said there's 20 clones. Kakashi maintained the same chidori and top speed to destroy 18 of them.Thats 18 different opponents. 18 different locations.!8 different strikes. Only 1 chidori.

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and he used 2 when they went to save rin.

Normal speed, body flicker? really. You cant tell the difference because of Kishis drawing style.

Actually i can.The fight starts here:

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Nobody comments about sasuke's speed being anywhere near that of lee until here:

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By that time he already had a taijutsu scuffle with garras clone and even then its only compared to lee's starting speed, not weightless speed(the bare minimum for chidori is weightless).It also disproves your comment about him moving full speed the entire fight.
Then the art shift happens and his speed is compared to that of weightless lee:

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Seeing as how his base speed at the time wasn't even worth commenting on and when he does move at high speeds it tires him out quickly it must be body flicker. Even if you say its not it doesn't change the fact that moving at that speed tires him out.Just like lee said:

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You can't go based off assumptions. You completely ignored the fact Sasuke was moving full speed against the whole fight against Garra.

Read above

Lee comments no such thing about a straight line

please tell me you're joking. This is the second time i'm posting this scan:

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He says and i'm quoting this word for word"I can understand...I wouldn't run with that speed straight into my opponent in that manner... Actually i can't do it...A straight foward attack makes it easy for the opponent to counter... and i don't have the eyes to see that counter." Its the same thing minato says to kakashi:

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only that he would get tired faster because his stamina is not up to par with that speed.

No he talks about both the attack style and speed.

Maintained chidori longer that is hardly a feat if it is one at all. Sasuke got a direct hit thats why he didn't maintain chidori against Gaara. Kakashi was running through clones who are significantly weaker than the original.

Guy says chidori can only be maintained when moving at that speed. So him maintaining it longer means he can maintain the speed longer. Them being weaker doesn't mean he's moving slower. idk y u even said that.

I was just being nice honestly but by feats Kid Kakashi gets tossed around and shitted on. He hasn't done anything feat wise to prove he can win against Sasuke.

he's fighting jounin...sasuke's fighting genin?

The one out of two times he fights before his sharigan he almost dies by a no name fodder.

Actually kakashi held his own quite well.

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Actually the only reason he even got his eye injured was in saving obito.

The 2nd time he gets his ass whooped until Obito saves him.

opinion based on absolutely nothing

Edit:Sniffing out Sasuke won't help him in this match. The only edge Kid Kakashi ever had over his opponents as a kid is speed. And well Sasuke is probably faster and has sharigan.

Actually his advantage here is stamina and experience. Two tome doesn't make you faster nor does it give you the ability to predict movements. Only see them. Even worse its chakra consuming.

shelke · Feb 22, 2014

Kakashi supporters should Come back to this thread when they have feats from Kid kakashi that any where near match the ones from Kid Sasuke, that include trapping a Sanin, out-speeding Haku, Out-speeding Gaara's :

Haku:

Feats against Haku without Mirrors: