Sasuke(Chunin Exam) vs Kid Kakashi

[BenjerminGaye]

Look carefully at the distance. How big is it? It does mean a lot that the ninjas gave away their positions and Minato shielded him all the way from potentially fatal attacks.

No it doesn't. Kakashi's stamina some ten plus years later was absolute crap and he himself admits it, but his kid version had great stamina? What are you basing this on? When Kakashi himself said during Tree Climbing Session that Sasuke and Naruto have large chakra reserves.

Why aren't they touching him?

He still had to run to each clone at lee speed individually. That's 18 different directions they weren't all lined up in a row for him.

10 years later instead of two chidori's its four plus a slew of elemental attacks and a constant drain from sharingan. I never said great chakra. Just more than sasuke. At the time their limits was 2. But unlike saauke kakashi doesn't get tired from moving fast. That's why he can maintain it longer and that's why he beats him in cqc.

None of sasuke's attacks bar chidori is faster garras sand which both of them run circles around.

Even chidori won't hit kakashi if he can keep speed(thus keeping the distance between them constant) with sasuke.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

After looking at all the post there really isn't any real argument suggesting that Kakashi wins this. Most people are just saying "He wins because he was a Jonin" when by feats Sasuke beats him.

He wins because he's faster (or at least equal) to sasuke's speed, more accustomed to fighting at high speeds, and has better stamina.

 

[shelke]

^ How many Sand movements did Sasuke dodge? A few jumps on the mushrooms seem SO impressive to you, but him evading a dangerous and a powerful opponent and Transformed Gaara as well, is Lack-Lustre? I think not. Kid Kakashi is not wining and that's my final word and my final reply.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

^ How many Sand movements did Sasuke dodge? A few jumps on the mushrooms seem SO impressive to you, but him evading a dangerous and a powerful opponent and Transformed Gaara as well, is Lack-Lustre? I think not. Kid Kakashi is not wining and that's my final word and my final reply.

It's impressive to me cuz he's fighting at a speed sasuke can barely maintain. Sasuke gets one punch and kick in and he's huffing and puffing. Kakashi stabs 18 clones with chidori and he doesn't even break sweat. Kakashi mid diff.

 

[LolChidori]

It's impressive to me cuz he's fighting at a speed sasuke can barely maintain. Sasuke gets one punch and kick in and he's huffing and puffing. Kakashi stabs 18 clones with chidori and he doesn't even break sweat. Sasuke mid diff.

Just wanted to be courteous

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Just wanted to be courteous

Prove it.
Kakashi has better speed stamina and taijutsu.
Sasuke gets owned.

 

[Tendou00]

Kid Kakashi stomps...

 

[Dantee]

I'm still laughing at him maintaing chidori is actually a feat of stamina. 20 clones means you split your power into 1/20. We saw in part 1 how a simple kick can poof a clone. What makes you guys think maintaining chidori against clones is a sign of great stamina. fanboyism maybe. The same person who is noted throughout the whole manga to have below average stamina on numerous occasions.

Kid kakashi speed is not likely to be on par with Lees like Sasukes. Sasuke pretty much wins 10/10. There is no good reasoning for Kakashi winning.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I'm still laughing at him maintaing chidori is actually a feat of stamina. 20 clones means you split your power into 1/20. We saw in part 1 how a simple kick can poof a clone. What makes you guys think maintaining chidori against clones is a sign of great stamina. fanboyism maybe. The same person who is noted throughout the whole manga to have below average stamina on numerous occasions.

Kid kakashi speed is not likely to be on par with Lees like Sasukes. Sasuke pretty much wins 10/10. There is no good reasoning for Kakashi winning.

I see someone didn't read the manga.
When guy explained chidori he said to use it you have to travel at a certain speed minimum. That's the only reason why kakashi forced sasuke to get his speed and taijutsu up.
Yet throughout his fight with garra we see that he can't maintain said speeds. Lee already commented on it and I already posted the scan. U see sasuke huffing and puffing.

Kakashi doesn't have that problem and not does Lee. Seeing as how long he can maintain said speeds. Something sasuke can't do. Not the mention the prep sasike has to go though for chidori (another problem kakashi never had.)

Sasuke does two stabs and that's it he's done. That's his limit. He can't maintain it longer than that. As seen during his fight with garra.

Kakashi can move at Lee speed and stab 18 clones and he doesn't even sweat. U guys keep on bringing up the fact that their clones as if that stopped him from stabbing them with chidori, or as if that stopped him from running at weightless Lee speed. Can't even counter it properly. His stamina was never noted to be below average. Idk where you got that from.
If that's the case ce sasuke's stamina is crap since kakashi can move faster than him for longer periods of time without getting tired.

Lol what u have to move at least as fast as weightless Lee to use chidori effectively.

 

[Dantee]

I see someone didn't read the manga.
When guy explained chidori he said to use it you have to travel at a certain speed minimum. That's the only reason why kakashi forced sasuke to get his speed and taijutsu up.
Yet throughout his fight with garra we see that he can't maintain said speeds. Lee already commented on it and I already posted the scan. U see sasuke huffing and puffing.

Kakashi doesn't have that problem and not does Lee. Seeing as how long he can maintain said speeds. Something sasuke can't do. Not the mention the prep sasike has to go though for chidori (another problem kakashi never had.)

Sasuke does two stabs and that's it he's done. That's his limit. He can't maintain it longer than that. As seen during his fight with garra.

Kakashi can move at Lee speed and stab 18 clones and he doesn't even sweat. U guys keep on bringing up the fact that their clones as if that stopped him from stabbing them with chidori, or as if that stopped him from running at weightless Lee speed. Can't even counter it properly. His stamina was never noted to be below average. Idk where you got that from.
If that's the case ce sasuke's stamina is crap since kakashi can move faster than him for longer periods of time without getting tired.

Lol what u have to move at least as fast as weightless Lee to use chidori effectively.

No where does it state you need to move as fast as weightless Lee to use chidori. Kakashi himself was surprised by the amount of weight Lee even trained with. This shows Kakashi never had this form of training in which he probably isn't even that fast himself. He blitzed 18 clones. Kakashi wasn't maintaining chidori for an absurd amount of time. You are wanking and blowing this feat out of proportion. Kakashi also invented the technique while Sasuke just learned it before getting to the fight. It was one the reasons he was late. And do I really have to date back where it says Kakashi stamina is average. While Sasuke is a Uchiha and has one the best chakras since Madara.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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Guy says that speed combined with concentrating charkra in the hand creates the heightened flesh needed for chidori.it's also the reason chidiri sounds the way it sounds.

Just because he doesn't use the same training methods at Lee that doesn't mean he can't move as fast as Lee. The crap coming from your post is ridiculous. To say a grown kakashi can't move as fast as weightless Lee even though ce sasuke can DESPITE neither training with such weights is absurdly stupid.

He blitzed 18 clones in different locations at top speed. Sasuke can't can't even hold that speed longer than a couple strikes. Hence why he'd hit garra away from him while he catches his breath. Did Lee or kakashi have to catch their breath despite fighting at that speed longer than he did? Nope.
Sasuke learned the tech way b4 the fight. Heck garra even came to see him train. Yet his limit was 2 short bursts.

Idk why I'm even replying to this since you still haven't countered my argument back on page 2.

No where does it state you need to move as fast as weightless Lee to use chidori. Kakashi himself was surprised by the amount of weight Lee even trained with. This shows Kakashi never had this form of training in which he probably isn't even that fast himself. He blitzed 18 clones. Kakashi wasn't maintaining chidori for an absurd amount of time. You are wanking and blowing this feat out of proportion. Kakashi also invented the technique while Sasuke just learned it before getting to the fight. It was one the reasons he was late. And do I really have to date back where it says Kakashi stamina is average. While Sasuke is a Uchiha and has one the best chakras since Madara.

 

[Dantee]

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Guy says that speed combined with concentrating charkra in the hand creates the heightened flesh needed for chidori.it's also the reason chidiri sounds the way it sounds.

Just because he doesn't use the same training methods at Lee that doesn't mean he can't move as fast as Lee. The crap coming from your post is ridiculous. To say a grown kakashi can't move as fast as weightless Lee even though ce sasuke can DESPITE neither training with such weights is absurdly stupid.

He blitzed 18 clones in different locations at top speed. Sasuke can't can't even hold that speed longer than a couple strikes. Hence why he'd hit garra away from him while he catches his breath. Did Lee or kakashi have to catch their breath despite fighting at that speed longer than he did? Nope.
Sasuke learned the tech way b4 the fight. Heck garra even came to see him train. Yet his limit was 2 short bursts.

Idk why I'm even replying to this since you still haven't countered my argument back on page 2.

I felt no need to since you haven't really given me adequate proof. I'm still looking for the words of Lees speed needed to use chidori. Heightened speed is just the ability to move fast, not Lees exact speed. Lees exact speed is what is need to get around Gaaras sand. Punching through Gaaras sand is tough and Sasuke had to as fast as Lee. Their is no concrete proof Kakashi is as fast as Lee and im talking about Kid Kakashi. Why would you assume otherwise?

The point is Sasuke just learned it while Kakashi invented it. His ability to utilize is possibly better even so Kakashis 3 burst werent consecutive. One was used earlier than the other 2.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I felt no need to since you haven't really given me adequate proof. I'm still looking for the words of Lees speed needed to use chidori. Heightened speed is just the ability to move fast, not Lees exact speed. Lees exact speed is what is need to get around Gaaras sand. Punching through Gaaras sand is tough and Sasuke had to as fast as Lee. Their is no concrete proof Kakashi is as fast as Lee and im talking about Kid Kakashi. Why would you assume otherwise?

The point is Sasuke just learned it while Kakashi invented it. His ability to utilize is possibly better even so Kakashis 3 burst werent consecutive. One was used earlier than the other 2.

The art shift. The fact that no one considered him to be moving fast until he matched Lee's speed. The fact that it only sounds that way when moving at that speed or higher. U know Doppler effect.

Lee's speed is necessary not for garras sand(since Lee failed to completely get around it, and since naruto got around it with clones) but for the tech itself.

Sasuke's use compared to kakashi's use is inferior since he had to prep for it. And I said kakashi has two burst not 3. But from feats he maintains bursts longer and isn't as fatigued afterward. Not like Le sauce who panted that entire match.