The Itachi vs Minato Thread

[EKSITE]

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ahahahahah thats a whole different technique(that only naruto can even do) that naruto had to invent since rasengan didnt fit into his fighting style the way it did minato's, who didnt need to level it up since his rasengan is stronger than naruto's and since he can teleport to hit people in the blink of an eye. that doesnt make him weak or incapable of making it bigger, he just hasnt needed to.

Now your putting words in my mouth i never stated he was weak & your contradicted the manga if it was never minato fighting style then why would he try to fuse his element with his rasengan?

 

[Enki420]

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When has tuskomi ever required a big amount of chakra build up if that was the case Kakashi should of been able to see it coming in part 1. And you assuming Minato can kill of Itachi before he can build up chakra which is ridiculous. ​

Hewaited for a break in the fighting to use it, as they were talking right before he caught kakashi in it, he didnt do it during the fight, that would imply he need to charge it up. it obviously need time to charge since he has never used it back to back, and after using it he requires rest, and his vision gets blurry, he fell to one knee after using it on sauske in their last fight. its a one shot deal in a fight, he is never seen using it multiple times.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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When has tuskomi ever required a big amount of chakra build up if that was the case Kakashi should of been able to see it coming in part 1. And you assuming Minato can kill of Itachi before he can build up chakra which is ridiculous. ​

All ms tech's require chakra buildup. Look how long it took him vs sasuke, vs kakashi etc

 

[Enki420]

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Now your putting words in my mouth i never stated he was weak & your contradicted the manga if it was never minato fighting style then why would he try to fuse his element with his rasengan?

i never said it didnt fit minatos fighting style I was saying rasengan doesnt fit into naruto's fighting style as he can only use it up close and lacks teleportation jutsu that Minato used to set up his rasengan. hence his need to come up with one that does fit his fighting style. And as minato is clearly better at it since he can do it one handed with either hand, it only makes sense his basic rasengan is stronger than naruto's which was my original point(that he doesnt need it) and thats why he isnt shown using a giant one like naruto.

 

[EKSITE]

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i never said it didnt fit minatos fighting style I was saying rasengan doesnt fit into naruto's fighting style as he can only use it up close and lacks teleportation jutsu that Minato used to set up his rasengan.

Lets check your post from before if if Minato rasengan was to the extent of perfection why did he try to take it a step further

ahahahahah thats a whole different technique(that only naruto can even do) that naruto had to invent since rasengan didnt fit into his fighting style the way it did minato's, who didnt need to level it up since his rasengan is stronger than naruto's and since he can teleport to hit people in the blink of an eye. that doesnt make him weak or incapable of making it bigger, he just hasnt needed to.

You claim he never needed it to leveled up contradiction minato obliviously wanted to take it to the next level for a reason

 

[Enki420]

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Lets check your post from before if if Minato rasengan was to the extent of perfection why did he try to take it a step further



You claim he never needed it to leveled up contradiction minato obliviously wanted to take it to the next level for a reason

now your putting words in my mouth, I never said it was perfect, i just said it's better than naruto's. Not needing to level it up is different from not trying to level it up. I only say he didnt need to level it up because he was so much more effective at using a normal one than naruto, who couldnt get close enough to utilize it against higher level opponents(as minato could and did with teleporation) and therefore had to invent his own move he could use. I never said minatos regular rasengan was perfect or maxed out in strength. But the fact he died from using that death reaper seal and wasnt killed by another ninja should be proof he didnt NEED to level it up, he wanted to. Plus he's shown using a giant one(while in tailed beast form) in the 4th ninja war

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so[/IMG] so i would assume he is capable of using larger ones as well.

 

[EKSITE]

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now your putting words in my mouth, I never said it was perfect, i just said it's better than naruto's. Not needing to level it up is different from not trying to level it up. I only say he didnt need to level it up because he was so much more effective at using a normal one than naruto, who couldnt get close enough to utilize it against higher level opponents(as minato could and did with teleporation) and therefore had to invent his own move he could use. I never said minatos regular rasengan was perfect or maxed out in strength. But the fact he died from using that death reaper seal and wasnt killed by another ninja should be proof he didnt NEED to level it up, he wanted to. Plus he's shown using a giant one(while in tailed beast form) in the 4th ninja war

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so[/IMG] so i would assume he is capable of using larger ones as well.

Naruto help put senjutsu chakra on the next page and made it bigger i'm pretty sure naruto would be able to that wouldn't have a problem.

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Naruto was even able to make 9 different rasengan in bijuu sage mode

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He was even able to make this level of rasengan in base mode when it comes to the mastery naruto surpasses him in the aspects

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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now your putting words in my mouth, I never said it was perfect, i just said it's better than naruto's. Not needing to level it up is different from not trying to level it up. I only say he didnt need to level it up because he was so much more effective at using a normal one than naruto, who couldnt get close enough to utilize it against higher level opponents(as minato could and did with teleporation) and therefore had to invent his own move he could use. I never said minatos regular rasengan was perfect or maxed out in strength. But the fact he died from using that death reaper seal and wasnt killed by another ninja should be proof he didnt NEED to level it up, he wanted to. Plus he's shown using a giant one(while in tailed beast form) in the 4th ninja war

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so[/IMG] so i would assume he is capable of using larger ones as well.

Biju Mode increases one's capacity for kneading and releasing chakra. That's why Naruto can make Bijudama in Biju Mode but not KM.

Minato using bigger variants of Rasengan is fanfic.​

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[Avinash012]

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Biju Mode increases one's capacity for kneading and releasing chakra. That's why Naruto can make Bijudama in Biju Mode but not KM.

Minato using bigger variants of Rasengan is fanfic.​

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Lmao,why can't he use it? Is there any logical explanation from ur part other than he don't have it coz he never showed it?

Bigger Rasengan is nothing more than a normal rasengan with more chakra,If it is possible for a clone of Naruto to use a huge ass Rasengan without Kyuubi chakra then I can't see why someone such as Minato can't use it.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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Lmao,why can't he use it? Is there any logical explination from ur part other than he don't have it coz he never showed it?

Because he fought an adversary who's only weakness was Senjutsu, yet he still didn't use it even after seeing Naruto do it. He had no reason not to.

There's also the fact he might not be as skilled as Naruto at Sennin Mode. There's no amount of arguing that can change that.​

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Bigger Rasengan is nothing more than a normal rasengan with more chakra and I can't see why someone such as Minato can't use it.

Because to do a bigger Rasengan you have to have the Knead/Release to do so, which Minato has not showcased with any of his Jutsu.​

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[Bogard]

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Biju Mode increases one's capacity for kneading and releasing chakra. That's why Naruto can make Bijudama in Biju Mode but not KM.

Minato using bigger variants of Rasengan is fanfic.​

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Of course he can. Do you even know the workings behind the Chou Odama rasengan? It's the normal rasengan added with natural energy in Sage Mode according to databook

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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Of course he can. Do you even know the workings behind the Chou Odama rasengan? It's the normal rasengan added with natural energy in Sage Mode according to databook

No proof he has the Knead/Release abilities to create such a Rasengan. If you think he can then I must question if you know the basics behind how Ninjutsu works.

And its not just Rasengan + Senjutsu. Naruto used a Rasengan infused with Senjutsu against Obito and that didn't affect its size at all.​

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[Bogard]

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No proof he has the Knead/Release abilities to create such a Rasengan.​

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He perfected SM unlike Jiraya, yet Jiraya was capable to do it, but Minato who perfect SM couldn't? Anyway i already know the long story you guys created about the no proof arguments in this thread, so just forget it

 

[Avinash012]

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Because he fought an adversary who's only weakness was Senjutsu, yet he still didn't use it even after seeing Naruto do it. He had no reason not to.

There's also the fact he might not be as skilled as Naruto at Sennin Mode. There's no amount of arguing that can change that.

Have no idea what ur saying here,I was talking about variants of Rasengan.

Because to do a bigger Rasengan you have to have the Knead/Release to do so, which Minato has not showcased with any of his Jutsu.

Once again he don't have it coz he never used it is not a valid argument,Sasuke never used chidori nagashi after his battle with Naruto even though there are shit load of cases in which he should use it, that doesn't mean that he can't use it anymore. the same way u shouldn't say that he can't just because he didn't showed it unless u have proper reason to prove why he can't do that.
Rasengan is something that needs proper chakara control and chakra Minato is atleast on par with Naruto's chakra control if not better and his chakra poll is also bigger which is proved by the fact that he leared SM and one needs high level chakra reserves to learn SM. Given that If base Naruto's clone without Kyuubi's chakra can do that then I can't see a reason why Minato can't use bigger versions of Rasengan.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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That's why Naruto can make Bijudama in Biju Mode but not KM.

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It may counter the argument that he was put into a genjutsu when he took a glimpse of Itachi's eyes.

I dont think so. As when Itachi ask Naruto to come out, thats when you see Juugo's bird. Itachi had no idea about this bird nor did Naruto, so it doesn't make sense that it would be in Itachi's "genjutsu stimulation".

 

[Disquiet]

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I dont think so. As when Itachi ask Naruto to come out, thats when you see Juugo's bird. Itachi had no idea about this bird nor did Naruto, so it doesn't make sense that it would be in Itachi's "genjutsu stimulation".

That's what I mean though, earlier someone (I think Blaze?) argued that Naruto was put into a genjutsu when he was glaring at Itachi's eyes from behind the tree. However, we see that he wasn't in a genjutsu when he came out from hiding.

In short, I'm actually agreeing with you.

 

[Enki420]

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Because he fought an adversary who's only weakness was Senjutsu, yet he still didn't use it even after seeing Naruto do it. He had no reason not to.

There's also the fact he might not be as skilled as Naruto at Sennin Mode. There's no amount of arguing that can change that.​

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Because to do a bigger Rasengan you have to have the Knead/Release to do so, which Minato has not showcased with any of his Jutsu.​

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if he cant use senjutsu mode how do you explain this?

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how is minato using bigger rasengan fanfin when i showed a scan

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of him doing it(obviously not a tailed beast bomb since he's holding it in his hand)? your saying that he cant make it bigger even though he invented it and can do it faster than naruto, with either hand, yet he cant make it bigger? do you have any scans to back that up? because that sounds ridiculous.

 

[Enki420]

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That's what I mean though, earlier someone (I think Blaze?) argued that Naruto was put into a genjutsu when he was glaring at Itachi's eyes from behind the tree. However, we see that he wasn't in a genjutsu when he came out from hiding.

In short, I'm actually agreeing with you.

obviously its an opinion thing that both sides are going off(you think it was the bird naruto never sees and they think it was when he looked at itachi) in the genjutsu thing, but i think the better question is who hasn't caught naruto in a genjutsu? has he ever not be caught in one? ahahahahahaha

 

[Enki420]

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No proof he has the Knead/Release abilities to create such a Rasengan. If you think he can then I must question if you know the basics behind how Ninjutsu works.

And its not just Rasengan + Senjutsu. Naruto used a Rasengan infused with Senjutsu against Obito and that didn't affect its size at all.​

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he obviously has better chakra knead/release abilities than naruto as evident by he ability to use rasengan faster than naruto, with a single hand(left and right), and without the need of a clone! he has the basics down the only thing naruto has shown that has been stated he cant do is adding nature engergy(but he DID create that giant rasengan that naruto put his nature energy into!). But i still think he hasnt been shown using other big ones since he didn't need to make it bigger since his regualr one is strong enough for his needs, as he beat everyone he fought, that doesn't mean he cant do it.
plus the naruto wiki says "Minato spent three years creating the Rasengan by observing the Tailed Beast Ball.[55][56] It is the highest level of shape transformation and it does not require hand signs to be performed. Instead, using precise control of one's chakra to concentrate and spin it, forming a sphere in the user's palm. It is able to inflict immense damage to its target upon contact. The lack of elaborate preparations needed for the Rasengan gave Minato an advantage over other technique users in battle. During his fight with Tobi, he is able to form a Rasengan right after throwing his marked kunai, allowing Minato to land a devastating blow immediately after performing the Flying Thunder God Technique. As its creator, Minato had great mastery over the Rasengan, able to form it in either hand and even make it larger than any other user's Rasengan (roughly the size of the Big Ball Rasengan)." so imma go ahead and go by that instead of your obviously opinion based evidenceless argument.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

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Hewaited for a break in the fighting to use it, as they were talking right before he caught kakashi in it, he didnt do it during the fight, that would imply he need to charge it up. it obviously need time to charge since he has never used it back to back, and after using it he requires rest, and his vision gets blurry, he fell to one knee after using it on sauske in their last fight. its a one shot deal in a fight, he is never seen using it multiple times.

Itachi has never used it back to back due to the effect on his eyes, if you could sesne the chakra build up he wouldn't of got caught. And in the manga it been said Itachi's gen bypasses sensors.​