The Itachi vs Minato Thread

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Why is this still going on? If this was a debate before (that was even in Minato's favor partially) him gaining Sennin Modo doesn't completely tip the scale and end this frivolous debate? Come on. You people can only go so far with your bias towards a given character. ​

 

[Touken]

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No proof SM sensors are better. Not to mention those sensors are using the pot to enhance their scale into the scale of almost the Shinobi world, where Itachi can cast 1/4 a Genjutsu of that scale. Not to mention Minato cant sense while fighting in base. No [

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]. He specifically said it directly to Itachi. Sensors cant notice Itachi's Genjutsu.

Increasing the quantity of weak quality doesn't mean they become more refined sensors. They're mediocre sensors that have just had their scale enhanced as you put it. Nagato, an excellent sensor, sensed Koto Amatsukami, thinking it was Amaterasu. It wasn't Amaterasu but the fact is he still felt the build-up of the Genjutsu [

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]. Sensors can definitely sense Itachi's Genjutsu, and that scan doesn't show he's speaking specifically to Itachi. There's loads of proof showing SM sensing is better.

 

[Draegod]

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You need to go reread all the arguments. esp when we covered this. Naruto, my manga scans only saw a human figure's side. When he gleemed closer, he saw sharingan and became alerted. We saw when naruto saw the sharingan. Anything else is assumption.

I read all the arguments given to this part. He seen a shadow ignore, he then made eye contact with 2 sharingans (he thought it was sasuke to confirm he seen and made eye contact with sharingan). Everything you said after that is irrelevant and pure speculation! It is a fact he made eye to eye contact with itachi's sharingan:

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And you mean to tell me him making direct contact (fact no disputing) cannot mean he was caught then and there??????? When it is manga fact the made direct contact eye to eye no disputing???? Really????

Then you try to twist that particular Genjutsu eff to say he can make it seem as though nothing happened or everything is normal. We make the affects stay the way they were shown, not change it to a fairy tale different eff. Itachi has many different Genjutsu and none of them are the same and work/resolve differently. If he can make them all do the same thing what is the point of having more then one? Think about that for a second...

 

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Increasing the quantity of weak quality doesn't mean they become more refined sensors. They're mediocre sensors that have just had their scale enhanced as you put it. Nagato, an excellent sensor, sensed Koto Amatsukami, thinking it was Amaterasu. It wasn't Amaterasu but the fact is he still felt the build-up of the Genjutsu [

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]. Sensors can definitely sense Itachi's Genjutsu, and that scan doesn't show he's speaking specifically to Itachi. There's loads of proof showing SM sensing is better.

Quality of something depends on the quantity. Its simply like, you're in warm room, and you need colder air, but you only have 1 fan. If you increase the number of those fans, then the amount of quality the 1 fan released, would multiply by the number of fans in the room. The same idea with the sensing pot. It increased their quality, as evident they can now tell difference between white Zetsu and Edo zombie through Chakra signature. Those scans pretty much prove my point. Itachi can simply fool Minato for thinking its Tsukuyomi, and rather Amatersu which burns him, but he wont tell or sense as Itachi can still Genjutsu without getting detected. Which scan are you referring to? If the first scan, they clearly ''Itachi is the only one''. If second scan, then he refers to Itachi as he has the strongest Genjutsu.

 

[Owarij]

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I read all the arguments given to this part. He seen a shadow ignore, he then made eye contact with 2 sharingans (he thought it was sasuke to confirm he seen and made eye contact with sharingan). Everything you said after that is irrelevant and pure speculation! It is a fact he made eye to eye contact with itachi's sharingan:

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And you mean to tell me him making direct contact (fact no disputing) cannot mean he was caught then and there??????? When it is manga fact the made direct contact eye to eye no disputing???? Really????

Then you try to twist that particular Genjutsu eff to say he can make it seem as though nothing happened or everything is normal. We make the affects stay the way they were shown, not change it to a fairy tale different eff. Itachi has many different Genjutsu and none of them are the same and work/resolve differently. If he can make them all do the same thing what is the point of having more then one? Think about that for a second...

did you even read the thread? It's already proven that Naruto wasn't caught in a genjutsu at that moment, based on his position when Itachi ENDS the genjutsu

It's simple. Idk how it's hard to understand

And twist the genjutsu? what are you talking about? The entire time naruto was in the genjutsu and he didn't know because everything seemed normal. It was only when he rushed at Itachi that he purposefully revealed it to show resistance was futile

 

[Prince Charles]

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did you even read the thread? It's already proven that Naruto wasn't caught in a genjutsu at that moment, based on his position when Itachi ENDS the genjutsu

It's simple. Idk how it's hard to understand

And twist the genjutsu? what are you talking about? The entire time naruto was in the genjutsu and he didn't know because everything seemed normal. It was only when he rushed at Itachi that he purposefully revealed it to show resistance was futile

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Dont know why but I feel that bird with the bandage had something to do with it, I dont think kishi would do such a close up on it and mean nothing.

 

[Touken]

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Quality of something depends on the quantity. Its simply like, you're in warm room, and you need colder air, but you only have 1 fan. If you increase the number of those fans, then the amount of quality the 1 fan released, would multiply by the number of fans in the room. The same idea with the sensing pot. It increased their quality, as evident they can now tell difference between white Zetsu and Edo zombie through Chakra signature. Those scans pretty much prove my point. Itachi can simply fool Minato for thinking its Tsukuyomi, and rather Amatersu which burns him, but he wont tell or sense as Itachi can still Genjutsu without getting detected. Which scan are you referring to? If the first scan, they clearly ''Itachi is the only one''. If second scan, then he refers to Itachi as he has the strongest Genjutsu.

No it doesn't. I could have a beaker containing pure hydrochloric acid, and by adding water I would increase the quantity but the quality would definitely decrease because I'd be diluting the hydrochloric acid. Those fans quality hasn't increased, just their scale has with the extra fans. I'm gonna need scans for the whole telling the difference thing, because it shouldn't be difficult for sensors to identify who's an Edo and who isn't, bearing in mind that Zetsu can't imitate the chakra signature of Edo shinobi. Fine then, he doesn't shut his eyes, he simply teleports away with Hiraishin which'd make Itachi lose track of where Minato is. Instead of that, he could throw a kunai at Itachi considering whenever Itachi/Sasuke uses Sharingan Genjutsu/Amaterasu, they're always standing still IIRC. Itachi would be forced to move, otherwise Minato simply teleports to the thrown kunai and lands a Rasengan on his face.

 

[Avinash012]

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and that rasegan vanished after that.

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One can argue it was due to him sensing or he put out the rasegan by himself purposely.

He sensed that Naruto was in danger and worried about him and that's why he put it out as rasengan vanished after Minato sensing Naruto but not while sensing or b4 sensing.Minato's sensing ability works with the same principle as Tobirama.If Tobirama can use it while fighting ,I can't find a reason as to why Minato can't use that ability.

That's got nothing to do with my post.

Ur post sounds like Blind Madara can sense better than SM Madara which is why I said that,if ur point has nothing to do with what I said then sorry.

 

[Owarij]

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Dont know why but I feel that bird with the bandage had something to do with it, I dont think kishi would do such a close up on it and mean nothing.

Hmm, I went over these scans 100 times and didn't even see that bird or consider it relevant. It is interesting. Though there is no visible sharingan in the eyes. which would mean that somehow he made a bird put naruto in the genjutsu. It is mighty coincidental it's also right above naruto. If he some how scouted the area with the bird as well. It would explain how he singled out this Naruto when there were hundreds of clones sent into the forest, and it would explain how he knew naruto was alone

what's with the bandaged leg

 

[Bronze]

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No it doesn't. I could have a beaker containing pure hydrochloric acid, and by adding water I would increase the quantity but the quality would definitely decrease because I'd be diluting the hydrochloric acid. Those fans quality hasn't increased, just their scale has with the extra fans. I'm gonna need scans for the whole telling the difference thing, because it shouldn't be difficult for sensors to identify who's an Edo and who isn't, bearing in mind that Zetsu can't imitate the chakra signature of Edo shinobi. Fine then, he doesn't shut his eyes, he simply teleports away with Hiraishin which'd make Itachi lose track of where Minato is. Instead of that, he could throw a kunai at Itachi considering whenever Itachi/Sasuke uses Sharingan Genjutsu/Amaterasu, they're always standing still IIRC. Itachi would be forced to move, otherwise Minato simply teleports to the thrown kunai and lands a Rasengan on his face.

False again. The temperature of hydrochloric acid would warm up things, which in a again, quality. Quantity simply means you increased the amount. Quality means you increased the power of it. The air of the fans would mix up making 1 overall air, so that increases its quality making heat the room a lot colder than it did with 1 fan. Same concept with Shinobi, adding more Chakra to their techniques increases the size of it(quantity) and the power of it(quality). Example being Rasengan. Naruto a sensor in Bijuu mode couldn't identify Madara has came back to life [

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], yet pot sensors managed to tell a large number of White Zetsu and Edo zombies. Okay, you're now just making a scenario of how the fight will go down. First of all, Itachi is not dumb to cost massive amount of Chakra at the start of the match. He knows Minato very well. He always start casting it through the crows where Minato will be distracted, and eye contact is not needed to be caught Itachi's Genjutsu.

I will reply after i take a shower.

Ur post sounds like Blind Madara can sense better than SM Madara which is why I said that,if ur point has nothing to do with what I said then sorry.

Madara was already a sensor before obtaining SM. My point was, 20 chapters before getting SM, he already planned on reviving himself to fight the alliance while blind. This shows SM never increased his sensing perception.

 

[Prince Charles]

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Hmm, I went over these scans 100 times and didn't even see that bird or consider it relevant. It is interesting. Though there is no visible sharingan in the eyes. which would mean that somehow he made a bird put naruto in the genjutsu. It is mighty coincidental it's also right above naruto. If he some how scouted the area with the bird as well. It would explain how he singled out this Naruto when there were hundreds of clones sent into the forest, and it would explain how he knew naruto was alone

what's with the bandaged leg

thats what im saying... I was thinking itachi's blood ( stay with me ), itachi can take some of his blood, and do some hand seal type shit with it, and the blood can trap someone into his genjutsu but the blood would only be good for so long until becomes you know bad. Im guessing he put his blood on that damped rag or bandage and put it around the bird.

The smell of the blood traps the user into the genjutsu, naruto being within the radius of the blood scent got trapped... only conclusion I can draw from the bird. I wish kishi would give more insight on that bird though but I really do think it played a part.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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Hmm, I went over these scans 100 times and didn't even see that bird or consider it relevant. It is interesting. Though there is no visible sharingan in the eyes. which would mean that somehow he made a bird put naruto in the genjutsu. It is mighty coincidental it's also right above naruto. If he some how scouted the area with the bird as well. It would explain how he singled out this Naruto when there were hundreds of clones sent into the forest, and it would explain how he knew naruto was alone

what's with the bandaged leg

Karin and Juugo did that. Karin knew Naruto's team was tracking Taka[

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[Touken]

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False again. The temperature of hydrochloric acid would warm up things, which in a again, quality. Quantity simply means you increased the amount. Quality means you increased the power of it. The air of the fans would mix up making 1 overall air, so that increases its quality making heat the room a lot colder than it did with 1 fan. Same concept with Shinobi, adding more Chakra to their techniques increases the size of it(quantity) and the power of it(quality). Example being Rasengan. Naruto a sensor in Bijuu mode couldn't identify Madara has came back to life [

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], yet pot sensors managed to tell a large number of White Zetsu and Edo zombies. Okay, you're now just making a scenario of how the fight will go down. First of all, Itachi is not dumb to cost massive amount of Chakra at the start of the match. He knows Minato very well. He always start casting it through the crows where Minato will be distracted, and eye contact is not needed to be caught Itachi's Genjutsu.

Temperature has nothing to do with quality. The fan concept doesn't apply to chakra concepts. When you pump more chakra into something, it usually gets bigger, but the quality does not increase. Let me take Madara's Juubi sized Katon as an example; it's big because more chakra was pumped into it but it's not hotter than a Katon/Fuuton combination. When Madara used his first Katon against the SA, it was blocked by multiple Suiton Walls but that doesn't mean the quality increased, no, they just matched quantity with quantity. A high quality fan would be one that'd be efficient so no waste energy would be produced while still doing it's job and that can't be compared to multiple low quality fans. Madara's chakra signature didn't change once he was resurrected which is why BM Naruto couldn't sense he was alive again, unlike Zetsu Clones and an Edo shinobi, with the latter's signature always being different to the Zetsu Clones no matter what state the Edo's in. I thought all BM Naruto could sense was negative emotions anyway? I didn't make a scenario favouring Itachi, I merely stated Sharingan Genjutsu wouldn't be a logical approach to fighting Minato.

 

[Prince Charles]

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Karin and Juugo did that. Karin knew Naruto's team was tracking Taka[

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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO OMG my bad forgot about that

 

[Owarij]

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Oh God...lmao

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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If that bird is present, does that change anything of Naruto being under a genjutsu interpretation?

 

[Avinash012]

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did you even read the thread? It's already proven that Naruto wasn't caught in a genjutsu at that moment, based on his position when Itachi ENDS the genjutsu

It's simple. Idk how it's hard to understand

And twist the genjutsu? what are you talking about? The entire time naruto was in the genjutsu and he didn't know because everything seemed normal. It was only when he rushed at Itachi that he purposefully revealed it to show resistance was futile

I did read ur argument but I don't get why Naruto's location changes whole Itachi casting genjutsu with Sharingan point.Are u saying that Naruto can't move from point A(Initial location) to B (The place where Itachi stopped Genjutsu) if Itachi managed to place him in genjutsu when Naruto was at point A?

 

[Owarij]

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I did read ur argument but I don't get why Naruto's location changes whole Itachi casting genjutsu with Sharingan point.Are u saying that Naruto can't move from point A(Initial location) to B (The place where Itachi stopped Genjutsu) if Itachi managed to place him in genjutsu when Naruto was at point A?

Exactly that

 

[Prince Charles]

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Oh God...lmao

lmao my bad dog.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

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Lmfao charles you legend.