The Itachi vs Minato Thread

[DemonicAvenger]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

ahahahah why am i the only one with a burden of proof but you dont have to prove anything you say? Sounds like bullshit. Plus i never said he had to be base minato to make it bigger you just inserted that out of nowhere becuase you have no real argument. And as i said before he doesnt need a bigger one in the 2 fights that were showed he easily whooped ass and didnt need to make it bigger, but that doesnt mean he can not! You have no evidence that he can not do it in base mode. and once again ill refer you to the narutopedia which says "As its creator, Minato had great mastery over the Rasengan, able to form it in either hand and even make it larger than any other user's Rasengan (roughly the size of the Big Ball Rasengan)." as my proof.

Do you even know how to debate? With the logic your using I could just say that Naruto makes a planet busting Bijudama and I could just say "You can't prove he can't". Does the spaggehti monster exist just because no one can prove he can't?

I've proven everything I've said. You on the other hand havn't proven a single thing.

@Bogard: The difference is miniscule :| The one in Sage Mode looks smaller so I don't see the point. Minato still doesn't have the feats or the implications to make it any bigger than normally.

Its more than likely just Kishi's difference in drawing anyway. Naruto's Rasengan changes size and its the same Rasengan. [

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[Enki420]

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Do you even know how to debate? With the logic your using I could just say that Naruto makes a planet busting Bijudama and I could just say "You can't prove he can't". Does the spaggehti monster exist just because no one can prove he can't?

I've proven everything I've said. You on the other hand havn't proven a single thing.

@Bogard: The difference is miniscule :| The one in Sage Mode looks smaller so I don't see the point. Minato still doesn't have the feats or the implications to make it any bigger than normally.

Its more than likely just Kishi's difference in drawing anyway. Naruto's Rasengan changes size and its the same Rasengan. [

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You haven't proven anything all you have done is say(without providing scans) that naruto is somehow better than minato at using rasengan. If that were true could you please explain how that is possible to me? Because everything in the manga shows that to be untrue since(as i've pointed out) Naruto base form requires a clone to simply use it, and even more clones for use in battle(to distract the oppontnet from the fact he is using a clone to spin a chakra build up in his palm that looks exactly like the one made world famous by the leafs yellow flash), while Minato base form can do it fast enough to not only hit obito but also gain world fame as the yellow flash the fastest ninja alive, to not mention the fact that he can do it with only one hand. Plus an anime flashback shows Naruto only developed his Big Ball Rasengan because Jiraiya remarked that it would be easier to hit an opponent with a larger Rasengan(Naruto: Shippūden episode 188),which to me implies he had seen bigger ones and since the only other person to use it(at that point) was the 4th that must also mean he could make bigger ones.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

I was referring to a regular sized Bijudama, which Naruto has failed over and over to do in KM.​

Just putting this together.

First of all, your missing the point. I never Said he couldn't use Senjutsu. I said he couldn't fuse BM and SM like Naruto, he was fighting against someone who's only weakness was that of SM and he didn't do it. Period.

Minato doing a bigger Rasengan in base is fanfic because he doesn't have the Knead/Release capabilities that Naruto does. The scan you provided was of Minato in BM, which drastically increases his Knead/Release.​

Demonic that doens't mean shit. It only further confirms his SM was an arse-pull. He could have simply downgraded to SM if he couldn't mix it with BM. Not like BM was anymore useful considering it got him to lose an arm, whle sm wouldn't.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

You haven't proven anything all you have done is say(without providing scans) that naruto is somehow better than minato at using rasengan. If that were true could you please explain how that is possible to me? Because everything in the manga shows that to be untrue since(as i've pointed out) Naruto base form requires a clone to simply use it, and even more clones for use in battle(to distract the oppontnet from the fact he is using a clone to spin a chakra build up in his palm that looks exactly like the one made world famous by the leafs yellow flash), while Minato base form can do it fast enough to not only hit obito but also gain world fame as the yellow flash the fastest ninja alive, to not mention the fact that he can do it with only one hand. Plus an anime flashback shows Naruto only developed his Big Ball Rasengan because Jiraiya remarked that it would be easier to hit an opponent with a larger Rasengan(Naruto: Shippūden episode 188),which to me implies he had seen bigger ones and since the only other person to use it(at that point) was the 4th that must also mean he could make bigger ones.

Him being the yellow flash has nothing to do with his rasengan. But you are correct on the point that his mastery of base rasengan is superior to that of naruto's seeing how he doesn't use clones to help concentrate it.

All other forms of rasengan (besides oddama, and base) naruto is superior.

 

[Enki420]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Him being the yellow flash has nothing to do with his rasengan. But you are correct on the point that his mastery of base rasengan is superior to that of naruto's seeing how he doesn't use clones to help concentrate it.

All other forms of rasengan (besides oddama, and base) naruto is superior.

I was arguing he could make a regular rasengan big since after all pervy sage couldn't mix his nature with rasengan like naruto but he could make big ones

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and surely your not saying pervy sage can do it but minato can not. also i would argue speed in using a move shows the users mastery of the fundamentals required to do said move.

 

[LoZelda101]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Nagato is also a sensor (and as we know from Uzumakis, a quite good one). Look at the instant before he was hit by Itachi's Amaterasu. He just smiled as he didn't see that coming. Did Sage Mode Kabuto sense the Amaterasu Sasuke on the point before his feet? No, the flame suddenly appeared before his feet and made him stop. If Sasuke just raised his sight, he would've had hit him.. Minato could sense Naruto's and Kyuubi's Chakra from a far distance, so Tobirama could sense Madara's Chakra. Before claiming that Minato, while being in an offensive mode, instantly senses the Chakra built up in the Uchiha's eye and dodges, you need proves establishing this..

C said that he couldn't fight while tracking someone - Kyuubi told Minato to change his Chakra into a sensor type.

Minato sensed Madara's power in comparison to Obito's. Is this a point supporting your claim with Amaterasu? Certainly not.

Itachi is an expert when it comes to Genjutsu and feints, one can't simply see through him even if you are fully concentrated it. Avoiding eye contact constantly would mean nothing, as you would disable yourself and give Itachi more openings, in which he can cast feints easily; also Genjutsu (with a finger, with crows i.a.). You you would rather need to close your, in order to avoid the Genjutsu.

And at this point, he becomes fodder for Amaterasu, which is cast at any time, in any situation, instantly.

As I see it, the Minato supporters don't have ironclad proofs.

He can close his eyes to avoid any Genjutsu, and he is definitely hit by Amaterasu in the long run.

People simply underestimate Itachi's skills when thinking that he will only insist on Genjutsu and Amaterasu. It is his whole skills, his masterful Genjutsu, feints and tricks. To think Itachi wouldn't be able to use a feint on Minato when he tries to avoid eye contact, when Itachi esily uses them against any opponent no matter of how concentrated he would be. How can you follow Itachi's tricks and feints when you are already restricted to avoiding any significant visual contact? That's not possible. Amaterasu is only the tip of the iceberg, which becomes the most dangerous thing even with guys of Ay's speed, once they decide to avoid eye contact.

They think Minato will just close his eyes, sense Amaterasu and foresee/foreknow anything Itachi will do and blitz him. wtf.

exactly what I was thinking, it amazes me people think alive minato wins.

 

[LoZelda101]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Minato obviously wins. Mid difficulty victory for him. Didn't read any arguments though.

Edit: Changed my mind after reading this thread.

lmao.

 

[Mellow]

Itachi wins