Senjutsu Rasengan impact on susanoo

[adeshina365]

As the rasengan loses its intensity, it also decreases in volume.

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There is no noticeable decrease in volume.

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh yes it is.

Tsunade's punches on the ground.

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Tsunade cracking susanoo.

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Minato's basic ransengan.

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Tsunade's punch is stronger than basic Rasengan.

-You are using scans where she couldn't use her Chakra Enhanced Strength, and scans where she was out of combat for years, and she was drunk. (I could be wrong about the first point though)

-Hashirama that this might be stronger than Tsunade's punch, meaning her strength is close to

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. (Don't ask me how he would know of Tsunade's strength now)

 

[Sennin of Logic]

As the rasengan loses its intensity, it also decreases in volume.

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There is no noticeable decrease in volume.

Hmmm. Never saw a manga scan saying that. You must have made it up.

 

[xxSAGExx]

For all Nardo/minato or rasengan fans.

I agree its often shown to explode lots of shit and all but it always fails to do any significant damage to any human or even a life form.

Really? then why did Kabuto looked significantly damaged?

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. Kabuto even explained that he started to heal himself before being hit to reduce the damage

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and he was still knocked down

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. Oodama Rasengan killed the Itachi clone

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. Took out most of Pein's bodies.

Other than that, he used it on edos, Zetsus and such. What no Jiraiya, Konohamaru or Kakashi fans? haha doesn't really matter if I like many characters such as Itachi, Sasuke, Obito, Madara, Shisui, Tobirama, Hashirama, Kabuto, Yamato, Nagato, Neji, Lee, ect.... OT. No it shouldn't have the power to hurt Susanoo, maybe a variation of it like planet rasengan or something but not a base rasengan which is incomplete.

 

[xxSAGExx]

For all Nardo/minato or rasengan fans.

I agree its often shown to explode lots of shit and all but it always fails to do any significant damage to any human or even a life form.

Really? then why did Kabuto looked significantly damaged?

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. Kabuto even explained that he started to heal himself before being hit to reduce the damage

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and he was still knocked down

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. Oodama Rasengan killed the Itachi clone

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. Took out most of Pein's bodies.

Other than that, he used it on edos, Zetsus and such. What no Jiraiya, Konohamaru or Kakashi fans? haha doesn't really matter if I like many characters such as Itachi, Sasuke, Obito, Madara, Shisui, Tobirama, Hashirama, Kabuto, Yamato, Nagato, Neji, Lee, ect.... OT. No it shouldn't have the power to hurt Susanoo, maybe a variation of it like planet rasengan or something but not a base rasengan which is incomplete.

 

[Retsu]

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It seems as though I was right the whole time XD

we never even saw Naruto use senjutsu with half of his arsenal as he recently discovered he could use it with BM, and he still has many variations with which to infuse senjutsu with, such as the wakusei rasengan which we know for a fact can 1 shot ppl without any enhancements, so your thread proves nothing, at all.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Those aren't massive ransengans, but I'll play along. First off, you call having a hole in your body tanked?! That's ludicrous! they were one-shotted! Summons were one-shotted, despite the fact that they can tank attacks from bijus.

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Sorry, but one-shotting summons is an incredible feat.

Shut up. Jiraiya in base with hair alone can solo

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[Sennin of Logic]

Tsunade's punch is stronger than basic Rasengan.

-You are using scans where she couldn't use her Chakra Enhanced Strength, and scans where she was out of combat for years, and she was drunk. (I could be wrong about the first point though)

-Hashirama that this might be stronger than Tsunade's punch, meaning her strength is close to

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. (Don't ask me how he would know of Tsunade's strength now)

Sigh, forgot about that scan. However, it's pretty clear Tsunade never used her full power then. We saw nothing from Tsunade of this level. She's also one-shotted susanoos of a higher level. Any way, this part of my argument is disproved, but there's other aspects that have been ignored.

 

[adeshina365]

Those aren't massive ransengans, but I'll play along.

The size is pretty much the same.

First off, you call having a hole in your body tanked?! That's ludicrous! they were one-shotted! Summons were one-shotted, despite the fact that they can tank attacks from bijus.

There are no holes, there a imprints. By tank I mean that they're bodies are completely intact. Good luck carving out mountains if you can't make it through the skin of those summons. Also, LMAO at grouping all summons in the same tear of durability.

 

[KidGamer65]

Though its completely obvious to that something prevented Rasengan from damaging Kakashi the way it should have. Kabuto couldn't even properly heal from Rasengan using a technique similar to Byakugo when Part 1 Naruto off all people hit him with it.

-It could be that it got weaker since it was disconnected from Minato, and its said in the manga that Rasengan is created and maintained by the user rotating the chakra. Rotation also increases strength.

-It also wouldn't hurt him as much as it would hurt him if Minato had shoved the Rasengan into his stomach, here the Rasengan hit him when Minato's severed arm was kicked at him.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Shut up. Jiraiya in base with hair alone can solo

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That summons is nowhere near Gamabunta in size.

 

[shadowcb]

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So Pain's summons can tank mountain busting attacks? That's good to know.

Those rasengan were not used to destroy those creates, but to propel them in the air so the toads could take them out. That was a group attack between Naruto and the toads.

Jiraiya showed Naruto the rasengan can be used to propel people through the air without killing them.

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[adeshina365]

Hmmm. Never saw a manga scan saying that. You must have made it up.

LMAO, why do I even need a scan to prove this. Bigger rasengan are more powerful and vice versa.

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Admit it, BSM isn't 10x BM; 1.5x is being generous.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

The size is pretty much the same.



There are no holes, there a imprints. By tank I mean that they're bodies are completely intact. Good luck carving out mountains if you can't make it through the skin of those summons. Also, LMAO at grouping all summons in the same tear of durability.

Hey, it's not my fault if you can't deal with the fact that you defy what the author specifically said a technique could do. This only proves that you've underestimated summons and ransengans.

LMAO, why do I even need a scan to prove this. Bigger rasengan are more powerful and vice versa.

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You said ransengan's automatically get smaller. That was what I was referring to.

 

[Retsu]

Possibly, but you have to realize that the Rasangan is already formed and henceforth, the Chakra already got kneaded for the technique. It all happened far too quickly as well for the Rasangan to have lost its intensity.

we saw naruto's Rasenshuriken fade in front of Kakuzu when he lost his focus on it, a severed arm is clearly going to follow suit.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sigh, forgot about that scan. However, it's pretty clear Tsunade never used her full power then. We saw nothing from Tsunade of this level. She's also one-shotted susanoos of a higher level. Any way, this part of my argument is disproved, but there's other aspects that have been ignored.

I agree with you when you said that Naruto's Rasengan wasn't tanked by V1 Susanoo.

-You can see Naruto flying upward when Susanoo is activated, something would happen if Susanoo had knocked him away.

-More importantly you can see that the Rasengan never exploded, ever. If Rasengan had truly hit the Susanoo and dealt the usual damage, we would have seen an explosion of some sort, as that is how Rasengan works; but no such thing was shown at all.

-Anime usually clears up things shown in the manga, so them doing it for this isn't surprising. Its hard to get Susanoo punching away Rasengan from that panel alone anyway since Manga pics aren't animated.

 

[adeshina365]

Hey, it's not my fault if you can't deal with the fact that you defy what the author specifically said a technique could do. This only proves that you've underestimated summons and ransengans.

LMAO, keep on fighting the good fight.

You said ransengan's automatically get smaller. That was what I was referring to.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[shadowcb]

Though its completely obvious to that something prevented Rasengan from damaging Kakashi the way it should have. Kabuto couldn't even properly heal from Rasengan using a technique similar to Byakugo when Part 1 Naruto off all people hit him with it.

-It could be that it got weaker since it was disconnected from Minato, and its said in the manga that Rasengan is created and maintained by the user rotating the chakra. Rotation also increases strength.

-It also wouldn't hurt him as much as it would hurt him if Minato had shoved the Rasengan into his stomach, here the Rasengan hit him when Minato's severed arm was kicked at him.

Exactly. I said something similar, yet everyone keeps ignoring my post.

The rasengan is jutsu which requires the user to maintain the jutsu as it hits its target. If the user doesn't or can't then the energy created from the justu disperse and target doesn't receive the full power of the jutsu.

Here is a scene of Jiraiya using the rasengan properly -

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we see the rasengan drilling and grinding through the tree.

Here is scene of Naruto using the rasengan before he mastered the rasengan -

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we can see the results are different because at that time he couldn't maintain the rasengan as it hit the tree.

Since the 4th can't use a rasengan at mid/long range when it hit Kakashi the energy dispersed because the 4th couldn't maintain the jutsu.

 

[adeshina365]

we saw naruto's Rasenshuriken fade in front of Kakuzu when he lost his focus on it, a severed arm is clearly going to follow suit.

Yes, and we didn't see Minato's rasengan fade when it hit Kakashi.

 

[shelke]

we saw naruto's Rasenshuriken fade in front of Kakuzu when he lost his focus on it, a severed arm is clearly going to follow suit.

I agree about it, but if notice, there is no decrease in Rasangan's size - as I said, it all happened too fast.