Senjutsu Rasengan impact on susanoo

[AlphaScythian]

we saw naruto's Rasenshuriken fade in front of Kakuzu when he lost his focus on it, a severed arm is clearly going to follow suit.

That FRS wasnt yet complete. As stated by yamato.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I agree with you when you said that Naruto's Rasengan wasn't tanked by V1 Susanoo.

-You can see Naruto flying upward when Susanoo is activated, something would happen if Susanoo had knocked him away.

-More importantly you can see that the Rasengan never exploded, ever. If Rasengan had truly hit the Susanoo and dealt the usual damage, we would have seen an explosion of some sort, as that is how Rasengan works; but no such thing was shown at all.

-Anime usually clears up things shown in the manga, so them doing it for this isn't surprising. Its hard to get Susanoo punching away Rasengan from that panel alone anyway since Manga pics aren't animated.

Yeah, but just take a look at everyone else. They ignore the fact that Kishi specifically said what sage art:massive ransengan can do in the databook. Care to help me out on that part at least?

 

[shelke]

I can clearly see Rasangan toughing Rib-cage version. This is getting ridiculous. @adeshina365 Can you highlight it with paint?

 

[adeshina365]

Yeah, but just take a look at everyone else. They ignore the fact that Kishi specifically said what sage art:massive ransengan can do in the databook. Care to help me out on that part at least?

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Mountain carving action at its finest.

 

[adeshina365]

I can clearly see Rasangan toughing Rib-cage version. This is getting ridiculous. @adeshina365 Can you highlight it with paint?

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[shelke]

Thank you. I could rep you, but I cannot. It's clear Susano'o tanked it.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

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Mountain carving action at its finest.

Are you.... self destructive in your arguments? That was base massive ransengan. The whole point of me bringing that up was to prove the extent of SM enhancement. For that jutsu to be made strong enough to be a mountain buster shows an incredible amount of enhancement. You just cemented my initial argument, that senjutsu enhances ransengans immensely. Thank you.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yeah, but just take a look at everyone else. They ignore the fact that Kishi specifically said what sage art:massive ransengan can do in the databook. Care to help me out on that part at least?

Well, it said it can hollow out a Mountain, which is far inferior to actually busting a Mountain, also I believe that not all of the Mountain needs to hollowed out in order for it to be considering hollowed out. Less than half would need to be hollowed out if I'm remembering what I read correctly. I think it was 35%. Though I'm not sure...don't quote me on this.

All I know is that Sage Art: Massive Rasengan is no where near a Mountain Buster, no where near. DB was most likely talking about the smallest variant of a Mountain anyway.

If Tsunade was cracking Susanoo with her punches and Ay with his fists, I highly doubt a Massive Rasengan would be tanked with zero damage. Highly doubt it.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Oh yes it is.

Tsunade's punches on the ground.

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Tsunade cracking susanoo.

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Tsunade's kick cannot be compared to rasengan. Tsunade add chakra release to her already moster strenght.
Its all aplied at small cross section, which makes it concentrated attack unlike rasengan.

Minato's basic ransengan.

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Compering ground damage is useless in this manga.
TBB wipe out mountains, suigetsu live. Tenpenchi creates huge crater fodders with some chakra survive.
Chidori makes huge holes in stone, small in human and so on.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Well, it said it can hollow out a Mountain, which is far inferior to actually busting a Mountain, also I believe that not all of the Mountain needs to hollowed out in order for it to be considering hollowed out. Less than half would need to be hollowed out if I'm remembering what I read correctly. I think it was 35%. Though I'm not sure...don't quote me on this.

If Tsunade was cracking Susanoo with her punches and Ay with his fists, I highly doubt a Massive Rasengan would be tanked with zero damage. Highly doubt it.

Well yeah. That pretty much matches up what I think.

 

[Retsu]

That FRS wasnt yet complete. As stated by yamato.

yet when he kept focus on it nearly killed kakuzu the second time around, even though it was incomplete.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well yeah. That pretty much matches up what I think.

I also edited my post so I'm clear about how strong I believe it really is.

The term "Mountain Buster" shouldn't be used for this jutsu though. No way.

 

[AlphaScythian]

yet when he kept focus on it nearly killed kakuzu the second time around, even though it was incomplete.

Well i guess, naruto himself ****ed jutsu up in some way the first time, as he didnt really have much experience with it :|

 

[Retsu]

Well i guess, naruto himself ****ed jutsu up in some way the first time, as he didnt really have much experience with it :|

he didn't have the experience needed to maintain it, since it was his first time using it, the same way a severed arm would be unable to maintain it.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I also edited my post so I'm clear about how strong I believe it really is.

The term "Mountain Buster" shouldn't be used for this jutsu though. No way.

So do you actually have the databooks? Are they in english anywhere, just curious.

 

[KidGamer65]

So do you actually have the databooks? Are they in english anywhere, just curious.

I only get scans off the internet, and there are only a few. It hasn't been released in the English language but people have translated them and put the translations on the original DB page, and some have just translated the text. The latter ones pretty much have most of the technique entries.

 

[AlphaScythian]

he didn't have the experience needed to maintain it, since it was his first time using it, the same way a severed arm would be unable to maintain it.

No what i meant is that upon taking damage he unintentionally destabilized it thus it resulted in being cancelled :|

 

[Retsu]

No what i meant is that upon taking damage he unintentionally destabilized it thus it resulted in being cancelled :|

you admitted to defeat in this statement, if it destabilized from him taking damage it obviously means that he must have conscientious effort on it to constantly maintain it or else it would destabilize, Minato took damage also, obviously his rasengan destabilized to the point that it wouldn't kill kakashi.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I only get scans off the internet, and there are only a few. It hasn't been released in the English language but people have translated them and put the translations on the original DB page, and some have just translated the text. The latter ones pretty much have most of the technique entries.

Well that stinks. I'm the type that'd love the databooks.

you admitted to defeat in this statement, if it destabilized from him taking damage it obviously this means that he must have conscientious effort on it to constantly maintain it or else it would destabilize, Minato took damage also, obviously his rasengan destabilized to the point that it wouldn't kill kakashi.

Or quite simply, it was plot.

 

[AlphaScythian]

you admitted to defeat in this statement, if it destabilized from him taking damage it obviously this means that he must have conscientious effort on it to constantly maintain it or else it would destabilize, Minato took damage also, obviously his rasengan destabilized to the point that it wouldn't kill kakashi.

Rofl Lol.
If naruto would just leave jutsu it still would work. What i said is that he ****ed it up which made it stop as result. :|