Senjutsu Rasengan impact on susanoo

[adeshina365]

Your own scan works against you Retsu. The defocused rasengan is clearly dissipated...

Minato's rasengan is still clearly in tact here:

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Senjutsu powered rasengan aren't all they're cracked up to be :snick:

 

[Sennin of Logic]

The difference in size should make up for the lack of Senjutsu. The former is exponentially larger.

I doubt that. Remember how Madara tanked the massive ransengan? Remember how weak it seemed? Here's what a SM enhanced one does according to Naruto wiki with the databook as a source. Go to trivia.

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It's possible that Madara knocked it away before it exploded and took its full effect.

 

[RufusSerano]

Actually, RasenShuriken wasnt designed to be thrown... when Naruto 'invented' it, he didn't throw it at first, but used it like a normal Rasengan, but it backfired and damaged him ( as seen in the anime, dont know if its the same in the manga ). Only after he achieved SM he was able to throw it. So even if RS is technically not a senjutsu, it needs SM to function as a thrown version.

And maybe a Rasengan can be thrown using SM? Though I'd think it would behave more like a thrown stone than a thrown shuriken
Rasengan-Grenade?

 

[Kirikoe]

No. FRS is just too heavy for naruto to throw. Only in KCM, BM and SM he throw it cuz he has strenght to do so.

Other example would be Asuma and his wind infused blade.
He also shapes wind into a thin blade and after throwing it still maintains its form and does the job.

lol to heavy? wtf u chattin ? when he used FRS against kakuzu naruto was slinging that sh*t around like it was nothing xD its just that he didnt know how to throw it not that he couldnt..

chakra does not stay around forever otherwise chakra infused items would constantly stay charged without needing the steady input of chakra -.- as i said in my previous post rasenshuriken doesnt stay around for long.. enough chakra must have been put in order for it to stay around after leaving naruto's hand

 

[Retsu]

Your own scan works against you Retsu. The defocused rasengan is clearly dissipated...

Minato's rasengan is still clearly in tact here:

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Not really, even if it hadn't dissipated it clearly shows that without anyone focusing directly on it, the rasengan loses a substantial amount of power

 

[AlphaScythian]

FRS and a hand held rasengan are as different as night and day, and if a user stops concentrating on it, it loses power and fades, stop thinking so biased and ask yourself, if rasengan could be thrown, why is it never used as a projectile? but then again the fact that you compare FRS with rasengan shows us you have about as much grasp on that concept as a fruit fly, but just to show that i know what im talking about and aren't pulling facts outta my ass like you do, i'll provide an example of what happens if you lose focus on a rasengan, either thru a severed arm or otherwise.

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this proves that all you can do is speculate while i use manga evidence to back up my claims

Oh really???

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How come stopping was a problem?

 

[shadowcb]

A rasengan could drill through susanoo. The key to using a rasengan properly (the most important step) is maintaining the jutsu shape and the chakra inside as it hits its target. If the user doesn't or can't then the energy created from the justu disperse and target doesn't receive the full power of the jutsu. Jiraiya explained that to us back in part 1.

Here is a scene of Jiraiya using the rasengan properly -

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We see the rasengan drilling and grinding through the tree.

Here is scene of Naruto using the rasengan before he mastered the jutsu -

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We see the justu and energy dispersed. The results are different because at that time he couldn't maintain the rasengan as it hit its target.

So, with that said it can be determined that the reason Kakashi survived was because did not received the full power of the rasengan since Naruto is the only person capable of using a rasengan at mid/long range. Since the 4th can't use a rasengan at mid/long range when it hit Kakashi he was unable to maintain the jutsu and the energy dispersed.

 

[Retsu]

Oh really???

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How come stopping was a problem?

he couldn't stop moving forward, and sasuke was coming at him also, obviously he knew if he took his jutsu down he'd have been killed outright and kept it activated to protect himself

 

[shadowcb]

:snick:

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The scene shows base rasengan drilling through susanoo. That's the reason why Madara increase the size and strength of susanoo.

 

[RufusSerano]

No. FRS is just too heavy for naruto to throw. Only in KCM, BM and SM he throw it cuz he has strenght to do so.

Other example would be Asuma and his wind infused blade.
He also shapes wind into a thin blade and after throwing it still maintains its form and does the job.

Asumas wind blades do loose their 'charge' shortly after beeing thrown, too. Otherwise they would, once infused, keep their charge forever (wich they dont).
As for your oppinion (and thats all it is) on RS and it beeing too heavy for Naruto... well I dare say many ppl might disagree with that

 

[Kirikoe]

Oh really???

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How come stopping was a problem?

isnt this because they were in mid fight against each other and already heading at each other.. to late to stop themselves from moving..

 

[AlphaScythian]

he couldn't stop moving forward, and sasuke was coming at him also, obviously he knew if he took his jutsu down he'd have been killed outright and kept it activated to protect himself

Yeah they also needed protection from water tank i suppose.

isnt this because they were in mid fight against each other and already heading at each other.. to late to stop themselves from moving..

No. geez, simple collision wouldnt kill them, ninjutsu would.

 

[shelke]

I don't understand, Severing Chakra links - Minato's arm in this case - means little in this scenario, as the chakra is already kneaded and Technique sitting on the palm, reading to be thrust into the opponent. Senjutsu Rasangans aren't all that cracked up to be, I guess.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Asumas wind blades do loose their 'charge' shortly after beeing thrown, too. Otherwise they would, once infused, keep their charge forever (wich they dont).
As for your oppinion (and thats all it is) on RS and it beeing too heavy for Naruto... well I dare say many ppl might disagree with that

Every jutsu has a life span.
Another example would be raiton charged blade used on suigetsu, it was there for quite some time

 

[adeshina365]

I doubt that. Remember how Madara tanked the massive ransengan? Remember how weak it seemed? Here's what a SM enhanced one does according to Naruto wiki with the databook as a source. Go to trivia.

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It's possible that Madara knocked it away before it exploded and took its full effect.

Wow, you're getting desperate. Having to resort to shallow databook hype to prove your point.

Let me ask you, do you think that Sasuke has "god-like" speed? Do you think that the Yata Mirror is unbreakable?

LMAO at your second point. This post reeks of desperation.

 

[Retsu]

Yeah they also needed protection from water tank i suppose.



No. geez, simple collision wouldnt kill them, ninjutsu would.

all that happened within the blink of an eye, one moment sasuke is heading for him with his deadliest jutsu activated and the next he's flung into a water tank, it's not like he had much time to plan out his actions.

 

[adeshina365]

I don't understand, Severing Chakra links - Minato's arm in this case - means little in this scenario, as the chakra is already kneaded and Technique sitting on the palm, reading to be thrust into the opponent. Senjutsu Rasangans aren't all that cracked up to be, I guess.

Certain members will never admit that though.

So much for BSM being 10x BM, LMAO.

 

[Kirikoe]

all that happened within the blink of an eye, one moment sasuke is heading for him with his deadliest jutsu activated and the next he's flung into a water tank, it's not like he had much time to plan out his actions.

exactly this here..

we have also seen a sm rasengan completely hurdle a juubi jin obito to the floor :|.. juubi jins!! the most powerful beings in the manga -.-

 

[Retsu]

exactly this here..

we have also seen a sm rasengan completely hurdle a juubi jin obito to the floor :|.. juubi jins!! the most powerful beings in the manga -.-

exactly, ppl are letting their hate of the blond bomber blind them to the facts, SM rasengans are deadly

rasengan itself requires constant focus and chakra control to remain active, the moment his arm was severed, the rasengan lost most of its power

 

[AlphaScythian]

all that happened within the blink of an eye, one moment sasuke is heading for him with his deadliest jutsu activated and the next he's flung into a water tank, it's not like he had much time to plan out his actions.

exactly this here..

we have also seen a sm rasengan completely hurdle a juubi jin obito to the floor :|.. juubi jins!! the most powerful beings in the manga -.-

You're just happy to pick up on any excuse, but as i said there are tons of examples of severed chakra working.
Like susanoo separated from madara, or susanoo blade that tsunade has used against madara and many more.

As far as SM rasengan vs susanoo goes.

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Its not the type of damage to take susanoo down.