Question: Did Madara solo Hashirama?

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LOL. You are the one to pass madara's defeat based on hashirama's statement! You call it a proof? Hashirama said he killed madara, we all know that to be false statement. Burden of proof is on you pal. Mokuryu clearly failed to work as madara has mokuton himself.
You made the claim with zero evidence, so I suggest you back it up instead of barking at me for proof that has already been provided.

"I killed Madara"=/="Mokuryu absorbs your chakra"

One statement being false doesn't mean every other statement is false, this is elementary logic, but I'm not surprised you don't get it...lmao. fanboys.

Proof has been provided. Manga already stated that it was, you are going to have to provide the proof to contest this as all I'm seeing in your post is "Fap fap fap, Manga's wrong, I'm right with my baseless assumption"

@underlined: Proof? Don't reply again unless you are going to.

Manga didnt say a shit lol your fav did and he was wrong.
Proof? It was already stated that Mokuryu was absorbing his chakra, simple as that.

No you basically repeated what hashirama said lol
I provided manga facts while you spout fanfiction as usual.
 

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You made the claim with zero evidence, so I suggest you back it up instead of barking at me for proof that has already been provided.
"I killed Madara"=/="Mokuryu absorbs your chakra"
One statement being false doesn't mean every other statement is false, this is elementary logic, but I'm not surprised you don't get it...lmao. fanboys.
Proof has been provided. Manga already stated that it was, you are going to have to provide the proof to contest this as all I'm seeing in your post is "Fap fap fap, Manga's wrong, I'm right with my baseless assumption"
@underlined: Proof? Don't reply again unless you are going to.
Proof? It was already stated that Mokuryu was absorbing his chakra, simple as that.
I provided manga facts while you spout fanfiction as usual.
LOL STFU wood riding ***. Hashirama was done for madara wasnt! Thats the only shit manga states here.
Hashi's bla blah w/o having info on edo madara was just wishful assumption proved to be wrong by the outcome.

No debate is possible when you have wood so deep up yours.
 

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LOL STFU wood riding ***. Hashirama was done for madara wasnt! Thats the only shit manga states here.
Hashi's bla blah w/o having info on edo madara was just wishful assumption proved to be wrong by the outcome.
lmao, is the bitch getting mad? Lol

Manga shows Hashirama beating Madara, Obito being controlled, Madara gets revived, uses the rods to immobilize the weakened Hashirama and then takes his Senjutsu.

-Did he actually beat Hashirama in combat? No, it was the other way around.

-Did Madara achieve his goal though? Yes.

Its as simple as that and no amount of wanking, or crying is going to change that so I suggest you get over it.

The outcome? The outcome has nothing to do with the fact Mokuryu was absorbing his chakra, considering the fact that FRS blew everything up, including the same dragon that were absorbing his chakra. The fact you have actually said nothing to back up your original claim:

Hashirama's wood dragons were negated by madara's own mokuton absorption which hashi knew nothing off.
Is only proof you have no real argument, you are just grasping at straws and spouting bullshit as usual. Cry harder kid. Manga disagrees with you.
 

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Umm, let's see.

-The wood dragon absorbing Madara's Chakra, along with Senpou odama Fuuton Rasenshuriken failed to beat Madara.
-Hashirama try's to immobilize his movements via God gates, waiting for Sai to seal him. Madara however breaks the gates along with ink seal with brutal strength.

Based on their fight, Madara stated he only wanted to absorb his Senjutsu, meaning he was holding all of his strength back, while Hashirama fighting at full powers desperately trying to seal Madara which he failed. Hashirama was cracked, panting and dying, while in return Madara was simply looking too fine. Also, black Zetsu reviving Madara was planned before the Gokage fighting Madara. So no one saved him.

Madara who wasn't serious, using half of his strength and unbothered soloed Hashirama fair and square.
 

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lmao, is the bitch getting mad? Lol
Manga shows Hashirama beating Madara, Obito being controlled, Madara gets revived, uses the rods to immobilize the weakened Hashirama and then takes his Senjutsu.
Ddnt see madara beat there. if anything hashirama got the damage on his body. Obito is irrelevant here. Rods could be used at any moment by madara.
-Did he actually beat Hashirama in combat? No, it was the other way around.
He was never trying. Beaten hasirama would have no SM to get. SM was the point so madara had to extend the fight longest possible.
Its as simple as that and no amount of wanking, or crying is going to change that so I suggest you get over it.
LOL. Get over it yourself, grasping at hashi's statement that hold no basis as evidences go against it.
The outcome? The outcome has nothing to do with the fact Mokuryu was absorbing his chakra, considering the fact that FRS blew everything up, including the same dragon that were absorbing his chakra. The fact you have actually said nothing to back up your original claim:
Outcome has everything to do. If madara had his chakra absorbed he wouldnt be able to control obito, would display at least some sign of fatigue as panting or some cracks on his face like hashirama.
Is only proof you have no real argument, you are just grasping at straws and spouting bullshit as usual. Cry harder kid. Manga disagrees with you.
Yeah, go by some vaseline to ride wood harder. You got no proof but hashi's words but those words mean nothing w/o any evidence. There isnt any evidance to back you hashi up.
 

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lmao, is the bitch getting mad? Lol

Manga shows Hashirama beating Madara, Obito being controlled, Madara gets revived, uses the rods to immobilize the weakened Hashirama and then takes his Senjutsu.

-Did he actually beat Hashirama in combat? No, it was the other way around.

-Did Madara achieve his goal though? Yes.

Its as simple as that and no amount of wanking, or crying is going to change that so I suggest you get over it.

The outcome? The outcome has nothing to do with the fact Mokuryu was absorbing his chakra, considering the fact that FRS blew everything up, including the same dragon that were absorbing his chakra. The fact you have actually said nothing to back up your original claim:



Is only proof you have no real argument, you are just grasping at straws and spouting bullshit as usual. Cry harder kid. Manga disagrees with you.
Somebody with infinite chakra and sagemode amplification doesnt get tired. Somebody with finite chakra who is blind fodderises someone with infinte chakra then ridicules them is rapeage. Said person with infinte chakra and rinnegan annihilates whenever they feel like if they want to Said person doesnt look the slightest bit bothered while mokuton user looks like they are going to die.
Just my two cents of logic.
 

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Ddnt see madara beat there is anything hashirama got the damage on his body. Obito is irrelevant here. Rods could be used at any moment by madara.
Madara was immobilized, meaning he can't fight meaning he was beaten. Hashirama taking damage doesn't mean shit.

lol? Obito is irrelevant? If it weren't for Obito Madara would have been sealed away, simple as that.

Nope. Otherwise he would have used them. Not to mention you can't use your chakra to control or restrain someone when its being absorbed.

He was never trying. Beaten hasirama would have no SM to get. SM was the point so madara had to extend the fight longest possible.
@bold: More fanfiction? Any more baseless statements from you are going to be straight up ignored from here on out. Provide evidence or don't reply at all.

And how does getting Sage Mode translate to prolonging the fight? Oh wait, it doesn't. Madara's original plan was to take , but he couldn't do it as he ended up getting restrained.

Him prolonging the fight on purpose is clearly fanfiction, him not trying is also fanfiction. It seems that's the best you can come up with, fanfiction.

LOL. Get over it yourself, grasping at hashi's statement that hold no basis as evidences go against it.
The manga itself is evidence, sorry pal. Like I said, no amount of crying is going to change that.

Outcome has everything to do. If madara had his chakra absorbed he wouldnt be able to control obito, would display at least some sign of fatigue as panting or some cracks on his face like hashirama.
Zetsu controlled Obito, not Madara, Madara only did that the first time using the chakra receivers. Zetsu can act on his own, and that is exactly what he did.

Don't come here with anymore fanfiction pal.

@bold: Getting his chakra absorbed by Mokuryu isn't going to do that to him cause there is no damage being inflicted upon him. That is the only reason why an Edo's body cracks in the first place.

Yeah, go by some vaseline to ride wood harder. You got no proof but hashi's words but those words mean nothing w/o any evidence. There isnt any evidance to back you hashi up.
You are the one who isn't citing manga, you are the one making shit up, as usual. Sorry pal, Manga stated that Madara's chakra was being absorbed so it was, when you can contest that using manga panels then you can come back, until then, go bitch to someone who cares, Lol

Come back with an argument or don't come back at all, simple as that kid. Simple as that.

Somebody with infinite chakra and sagemode amplification doesnt get tired.
Edos don't have infinite chakra, first of all. Their pool just keeps on regenerating, not to mention he was taking damage so yeah, of course he'll pant.

And he wasn't in Sage Mode.

Somebody with finite chakra who is blind fodderises someone with infinte chakra then ridicules them is rapeage. Said person with infinte chakra and rinnegan annihilates whenever they feel like if they want to Said person doesnt look the slightest bit bothered while mokuton user looks like they are going to die.
-Alive Madara never beat a Full Powered Hashirama, he weakened him in Edo form, almost getting sealed in the process. Got revived by Zetsu, and then restrained him with the rods and absorbed his Senjutsu chakra. Obviously a rejuvenated Madara is going to look like he's in much better shape than a weakened Hashirama.

Just my two cents of logic.
If only your "logic" wasn't flawed.
 
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Madara won.
He absorbed hashi's SM chakra with rods as planned.
Hashirama's wood dragons were negated by madara's own mokuton absorption which hashi knew nothing off.
Again, did you make this up? Oh wait, yes you did. Is that all you are good at? The fanfiction section is elsewhere pal. Lol

Mokuryu negated Preta Path, that is what the manga tells me. Mokuryu was draining his chakra, that is what it told me.

Madara negated the absorption, is what a fanboy tells me....who is more credible? A fanboy? Or the Manga? lmao.
Do you have any scan that would prove it to work on madara?
It would get to tug of war point where madara having both uchiha and senju is clearly superior user.
The evidence of my statement is that hashirama is sucking air dry not madara.
It was madara's plan all along to get SM power not to defeat hashirama.
LOL. You are the one to pass madara's defeat based on hashirama's statement! You call it a proof? Hashirama said he killed madara, we all know that to be false statement. Burden of proof is on you pal. Mokuryu clearly failed to work as madara has mokuton himself.

Manga didnt say a shit lol your fav did and he was wrong.

No you basically repeated what hashirama said lol
Ddnt see madara beat there. if anything hashirama got the damage on his body. Obito is irrelevant here. Rods could be used at any moment by madara.
He was never trying. Beaten hasirama would have no SM to get. SM was the point so madara had to extend the fight longest possible.
LOL. Get over it yourself, grasping at hashi's statement that hold no basis as evidences go against it.
Outcome has everything to do. If madara had his chakra absorbed he wouldnt be able to control obito, would display at least some sign of fatigue as panting or some cracks on his face like hashirama.
Yeah, go by some vaseline to ride wood harder. You got no proof but hashi's words but those words mean nothing w/o any evidence. There isnt any evidance to back you hashi up.
So what you're saying is Madara was countering Hashirama's chakra absorption yet did nothing else?

Not only is this something that you came up with on the fly, it wouldn't be like Madara to just stand there and take it he would've absorbed the rasenshuriken coming at him and would've revived himself/counter attacked then

Taking what the manga says and construing your own meaning without even providing a shred of evidence isn't debating

It's wank and fanfic

We're not the writers here
 

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So what you're saying is Madara was countering Hashirama's chakra absorption yet did nothing else?

Not only is this something that you came up with on the fly, it wouldn't be like Madara to just stand there and take it he would've absorbed the rasenshuriken coming at him and would've revived himself/counter attacked then

Taking what the manga says and construing your own meaning without even providing a shred of evidence isn't debating

It's wank and fanfic

We're not the writers here
lmao, preach! Wankers gonna wank I guess.
 
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Madara was immobilized, meaning he can't fight meaning he was beaten. Hashirama taking damage doesn't mean shit.
lol? Obito is irrelevant? If it weren't for Obito Madara would have been sealed away, simple as that.
Nope. Otherwise he would have used them. Not to mention you can't use your chakra to control or restrain someone when its being absorbed.
Taking damage means shit, that damage was made by chakra absorption. Madara had no sings of that thus its all speculation on your part.
@bold: More fanfiction? Any more baseless statements from you are going to be straight up ignored from here on out. Provide evidence or don't reply at all.
And how does getting Sage Mode translate to prolonging the fight? Oh wait, it doesn't. Madara's original plan was to take , but he couldn't do it as he ended up getting restrained.
Him prolonging the fight on purpose is clearly fanfiction, him not trying is also fanfiction. It seems that's the best you can come up with, fanfiction.
Madara has black zetsu constantly providing him info. He knew what went on with obito and he prolonged the fight to get more SM. Had he defeated hashirama soon on he would get no SM.
The manga itself is evidence, sorry pal. Like I said, no amount of crying is going to change that.
Manga itself stated that hashi got owned. Just look at his sorry face even until madara restrained him with rods lmao.
Zetsu controlled Obito, not Madara, Madara only did that the first time using the chakra receivers. Zetsu can act on his own, and that is exactly what he did.
Don't come here with anymore fanfiction pal.
Zetsu only controlled one half of obito madara controlled the other.
@bold: Getting his chakra absorbed by Mokuryu isn't going to do that to him cause there is no damage being inflicted upon him. That is the only reason why an Edo's body cracks in the first place.
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Here is the proof that chakra absorbtion from edo creates more cracks on the face.
I'm wanking but you are the one who isn't citing manga, you are the one making shit up, as usual. Sorry pal, Manga stated that Madara's chakra was being absorbed so it was, when you can contest that using manga panels then you can come back, until then, go bitch to someone who cares, Lol
Hashirama stated not manga. Had it been absorbing the chakra madara would display effects of it.
 
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Taking damage means shit, that damage was made by chakra absorption. Madara had no sings of that thus its all speculation on your part.
Did you forget that naruto threw his rasenshuriken? I mean that blast wave was huge
Madara has black zetsu constantly providing him info. He knew what went on with obito and he prolonged the fight to get more SM.
How exactly would prolonging the fight help him get SM?
If I were him I would have just waited til obito got weakened and revived myself then
That unless for some reason my were tied
Had he defeated hashirama soon on he would get no SM.
why?
Manga itself stated that hashi got owned. Just look at his sorry face even until madara restrained him with rods lmao.
Zetsu only controlled one half of obito madara controlled the other.
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Here is the proof that chakra absorbtion from edo creates more cracks on the face.
Or he was just getting weakened
Hashirama stated not manga. Had it been absorbing the chakra madara would display effects of it.
Or maybe your theory has holes in it?
 

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Umm, let's see.

-The wood dragon absorbing Madara's Chakra, along with Senpou odama Fuuton Rasenshuriken failed to beat Madara.
-Hashirama try's to immobilize his movements via God gates, waiting for Sai to seal him. Madara however breaks the gates along with ink seal with brutal strength.

Based on their fight, Madara stated he only wanted to absorb his Senjutsu, meaning he was holding all of his strength back, while Hashirama fighting at full powers desperately trying to seal Madara which he failed. Hashirama was cracked, panting and dying, while in return Madara was simply looking too fine. Also, black Zetsu reviving Madara was planned before the Gokage fighting Madara. So no one saved him.

Madara who wasn't serious, using half of his strength and unbothered soloed Hashirama fair and square.
Whether he planned Black Zetsu saving his ass or not, he was beaten by Hashirama simple. Despite the fact that Madara created Zetsu, he's a separate entity. Madara doesnt get black zetsu as part of his arsenal in versus match. So yes he accomplished his goal but he didnt beat Hashirama alone.
 

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Taking damage means shit, that damage was made by chakra absorption. Madara had no sings of that thus its all speculation on your part. Madara has black zetsu constantly providing him info. He knew what went on with obito and he prolonged the fight to get more SM. Had he defeated hashirama soon on he would get no SM. Manga itself stated that hashi got owned. Just look at his sorry face even until madara restrained him with rods lmao.
Zetsu only controlled one half of obito madara controlled the other.
That damage was there from before dumbass and was continuing to get worse, you can see more and more cracks forming as time goes. And it started the moment we saw him panting after putting the gate on Madara.

Sorry kid, I'll believe the manga when it says Madara was trying to defeat Hashirama BEFORE 15 minutes had passed. Only for him to end up getting restrained by Madara. Zetsu communicating with Madara doesn't mean shit. Nor does fighting longer increase the amount of Senjutsu he'll get from Hashirama. Is all you can do regurgitate shit from your mouth? lmao, fanboys these days.

Baseless assumption, Zetsu controlled all of Obito unless you have scans proving otherwise. Madara has shown that he needs hand signs to manipulate Obito, which he didn't do in Chapter 657.

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Here is the proof that chakra absorbtion from edo creates more cracks on the face.
Above.

Hashirama stated not manga. Had it been absorbing the chakra madara would display effects of it.
There are no effects moron. That's just you assuming there are. Hashirama's statement is a statement from the manga, so its a manga statement. Manga>You. Character Statement>Your Bullshit.

Again, tell me why or how Hashirama's Chakra absorption was negated. Until then don't expect another reply that addresses the bullshit you continue to spew.
 
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Whether he planned Black Zetsu saving his ass or not, he was beaten by Hashirama simple. Despite the fact that Madara created Zetsu, he's a separate entity. Madara doesnt get black zetsu as part of his arsenal in versus match. So yes he accomplished his goal but he didnt beat Hashirama alone.
Dafuq am I reading?:|. Zetsu is Madara's WILL created via his Yin Yang technique. Madara even calls it his other half. Whether your punk ass likes it or not, Madara can use Zetsu anytime because he made it with his hands. So Madara defeated Hashirama. In Edo state and blind state as the Manga showed.
 

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Dafuq am I reading?:|. Zetsu is Madara's WILL created via his Yin Yang technique. Madara even calls it his other half. Whether your punk ass likes it or not, Madara can use Zetsu anytime because he made it with his hands. So Madara defeated Hashirama. In Edo state and blind state as the Manga showed.
No, zetsu is not part of madara's power. Fan fiction is not allowed here.
 

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Well.....I see it this way. By manga the Viz translation Madara says that when he had gotten revived that nao he can fight for real. He goes on to say it is not a fight unless you have blood, heart, etc.

Also...Madara says that him getting revived was his counter attack...in which he was speaking directly to Hashirama...so Madara used his counter attack and Hashirama could not defend against it. Madara broke the gates because he wasl excited...imo meaning he could have at anytime, but was bored.

He was not fighting for real by Viz translation.
He didn't even consider it a fight by Viz translation.
Their fight wasn't over until we saw how Hashirama dealt with the counter attack, in which he didn't.

So Madara defeated Hashirama...I feel this is quite obvious. Even if anyone says he didn't as an Edo in the end Madara defeated Hashirama and nao he is unable to fight. No matter how you slice it in the end Hashirama was defeated by Madara. Which version is up to you to decide.

Some say Edo Madara lost, some say he was playing possum. I believe the Viz...in which he says he wasn't fighting for real. Similar to how he fought the Gokage....just how I feel. All that matters in light of your question....is that in the end Madara did indeed defeat Hashirama.

Also....while it was 4vs
1, and also blind. So it's your choice to decide.... Though I'm not trying to excite any Hashirama fans this is just how I feel as far as the OPs question.
I agree with this guy. The fact that Madara outright states that he was fighting sloppy because of Hashirama's healing technique also suggests that he would do the same because of eco tensei, and he has (Gokage fight).

Additionally Madara looks bored compared to the other fight he had with Hashirama at VOTE where he actually fought for real.
 
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