Question: Did Madara solo Hashirama?

[Flawž]

..................Was I talking to you?

Im sorry, did you want me to link you to the Fan fiction section?

 

[Seventh Sama]

Well, If you consider a cheap shot a solo. then yes.

 

[Bronze]

Im sorry, did you want me to link you to the Fan fiction section?

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Edit: the B1tch neg rep me...big LOL.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

No, zetsu is not part of madara's power. Fan fiction is not allowed here.

Tobirama! Defend your brother Hashirama! He did not get solo'd....just incapacitated at the moment. >_>

 

[Flawž]

Tobirama! Defend your brother Hashirama! He did not get solo'd....just incapacitated at the moment. >_>

"brother is somethings stupid but hes not to be underestimated"

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Edit: the B1tch neg rep me...big LOL.

Lol what a snake. you neg repped me first like a little kid. I simply return the favor.

 

[RikudouMadara]

No, zetsu is not part of madara's power. Fan fiction is not allowed here.

Hold on....I think I'm lost here....nao I'm not being rude, but how is Zetsu....something Madara created not his power? Thats like like saying Naruto is not Kishis Manga and he has no power over it, right?

 

[RikudouMadara]

Well, If you consider a cheap shot a solo. then yes.

By that understanding Hashirama didn't solo Madara, correct?

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Me personally I don't believe in cheap shots....a fight is a fight there are no rules in a fight to the death. Though....from your view if there ever was a cheap shot between them surely it was this, no?

 

[Flawž]

Hold on....I think I'm lost here....nao I'm not being rude, but how is Zetsu....something Madara created not his power? Thats like like saying Naruto is not Kishis Manga and he has no power over it, right?

Because Zetsu has his own will and mind. Zetsu can do what he wants but he chooses to listen to madara. The fact that madara and zetsu keep on constant exchanges means Madara has to tell him what to do.

 

[Seventh Sama]

By that understanding Hashirama didn't solo Madara, correct?

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Me personally I don't believe in cheap shots....a fight is a fight there are no rules in a fight to the death. Though....from your view if there ever was a cheap shot between them surely it was this, no?

Hashi won fair and square @vote, Madara shouldn't have deactivated his sharingan. U_U

 

[RikudouMadara]

Because Zetsu has his own will and mind. Zetsu can do what he wants but he chooses to listen to madara. The fact that madara and zetsu keep on constant exchanges means Madara has to tell him what to do.

Hmmm....that's a very good point. Though....I was wondering...Madara created Zetsu to work for him with unadulterated loyalty, no? They work for him no matter what, correct? Lets say you are a Lord, or a King perhaps...you amass an army, all your soldiers have minds of their own, but wouldn't they still be a part of your military power? As you are the head, and they fight for you? If used as a tool or weapon they equate to your military power, correct? Just a thought, but you make a good point, but I personally will still see Zetsu as his power...I'd find it pretty inane not to on my behalf only.

Oh....I was also thinking....I'll try not to hurt myself. ^_^ Anywho....wouldn't that make shadow clones a separate entity? Shadow clones are used to gather information...once gathered they dissipate and the information is returned to the original, correct? Nao in that time a shadow clone is able to act and think on its own without the original knowing what knowledge it has attained until returned.

Making it able to choose to do whatever it chooses, correct? Also....Madara and Zetsu....in their case they are even linked by the brain....whereas a shadow clone is not I believe. Madara can know Zetsus every move, but if a shadow clone is at a distance you don't get the info until it returns. This is just a thought...I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, but wouldn't what you say make shadow clones not the creators power? As the clone doesn't share the same "thought process"?

Even if the shadow clone is to be returned, they still act and think all their own, right? Madara could erase Zetsu at anytime I believe...same as a clone. Though...a clone is you as far as appearances, but it still acts of its own volition. I believe there was a few times Naruto argues, and plays board games with his clones. If they weren't severed at the mind how could this happen? Again just me rambling my brain over your post though as I said you make a good point. Again...this is just me thinking too much we each believe what suits us.

Though...me personally will consider Zetsu his power...Black Zetsu is actually his will...surely he is his power...?

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[RikudouMadara]

Hashi won fair and square @vote, Madara shouldn't have deactivated his sharingan. U_U

If that is the case Madara won fair and of the square...as Hashirama should not have believed the fight to be over, correct?

 

[-ahhimane-]

Wrong Title.

The title should be "Did Madara with Hashi's Senju DNA and Sage mode soloed Hashirama?
My answer would be NO. He only held him down since he also got Hashirama's DNA and sage mode.

 

[Flawž]

If that is the case Madara won fair and of the square...as Hashirama should not have believed the fight to be over, correct?

madara never deactivated his sharingan. he was chakra exhausted and couldn't sustain the sharingan.

Hashirama is a chakra monstor so he out lasted him and still had chakra left over.

 

[BlackFlame44]

madara never deactivated his sharingan. he was chakra exhausted and couldn't sustain the sharingan.

Hashirama is a chakra monstor so he out lasted him and still had chakra left over.

He had enough chakra for only one clone
They had similar chakra either way

 

[FearxDeath]

They had been fighting for quite some time and Madara outran him, towards the end Hashirama either ran out of Stamina or was paralyzed due to the Black Rods in his back, eitherway it gave Madara an opening.

But if your comparing their power you need to remember that Madara has Mokuton and Hashirama's Chakra flowing though him. Both Madara and Hashirama are physically strong and perhaps equally strong, but it is what they bring to battle that influences things. Madara brings his EMS and its abilities and Hashirama brings Mokuton, in the past they were equal. But now that Madara is bringing both EMS and Mokuton, but is proffiecient in Mokuton seeing as to how his Sharingan no doubt copied all of Hashirama's techiques.

So before it was like:

Hashirama vs Madara

Now its like:

Madara + Hashirama vs Hashirama.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Hashi won fair and square @vote, Madara shouldn't have deactivated his sharingan. U_U

Whats sharingan got to do with a back attack like a *****

 

[salamander uchiha]

They had been fighting for quite some time and Madara outran him, towards the end Hashirama either ran out of Stamina or was paralyzed due to the Black Rods in his back, eitherway it gave Madara an opening.

But if your comparing their power you need to remember that Madara has Mokuton and Hashirama's Chakra flowing though him. Both Madara and Hashirama are physically strong and perhaps equally strong, but it is what they bring to battle that influences things. Madara brings his EMS and its abilities and Hashirama brings Mokuton, in the past they were equal. But now that Madara is bringing both EMS and Mokuton, but is proffiecient in Mokuton seeing as to how his Sharingan no doubt copied all of Hashirama's techiques.

So before it was like:

Hashirama vs Madara

Now its like:

Madara + Hashirama vs Hashirama.

Madara hasnt used any of hashiramas powers against him. So until madara uses mokuton against him its madara vs hashirama.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Madara was immobilized, meaning he can't fight meaning he was beaten. Hashirama taking damage doesn't mean shit.

lol? Obito is irrelevant? If it weren't for Obito Madara would have been sealed away, simple as that.

Nope. Otherwise he would have used them. Not to mention you can't use your chakra to control or restrain someone when its being absorbed.



@bold: More fanfiction? Any more baseless statements from you are going to be straight up ignored from here on out. Provide evidence or don't reply at all.

And how does getting Sage Mode translate to prolonging the fight? Oh wait, it doesn't. Madara's original plan was to take

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, but he couldn't do it as he ended up getting restrained.

Him prolonging the fight on purpose is clearly fanfiction, him not trying is also fanfiction. It seems that's the best you can come up with, fanfiction.



The manga itself is evidence, sorry pal. Like I said, no amount of crying is going to change that.


Zetsu controlled Obito, not Madara, Madara only did that the first time using the chakra receivers. Zetsu can act on his own, and that is exactly what he did.

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Don't come here with anymore fanfiction pal.

@bold: Getting his chakra absorbed by Mokuryu isn't going to do that to him cause there is no damage being inflicted upon him. That is the only reason why an Edo's body cracks in the first place.



You are the one who isn't citing manga, you are the one making shit up, as usual. Sorry pal, Manga stated that Madara's chakra was being absorbed so it was, when you can contest that using manga panels then you can come back, until then, go bitch to someone who cares, Lol

Come back with an argument or don't come back at all, simple as that kid. Simple as that.



Edos don't have infinite chakra, first of all. Their pool just keeps on regenerating, not to mention he was taking damage so yeah, of course he'll pant.

And he wasn't in Sage Mode.



-Alive Madara never beat a Full Powered Hashirama, he weakened him in Edo form, almost getting sealed in the process. Got revived by Zetsu, and then restrained him with the rods and absorbed his Senjutsu chakra. Obviously a rejuvenated Madara is going to look like he's in much better shape than a weakened Hashirama.



If only your "logic" wasn't flawed.

So what your saying is an edo whose chakra keeps regenerating infineatley so they dont run out chakra is not infinite chakra?
Your saying someone whose stamina is constantly regenerate ld get tired?
So your saying madara absorbed sagemode even though hashirama wasnt using it?
So your saying even though madaras chakra was being drained by wood dragons his face didnt crack up and he didnt get tired?
So your saying madara who even though wasnt the slightest bit fatigued or showed signs of wear or tear after chakra suction and getting beaten was being owned by hashirama who was falling apart?
Your saying a madara who doesnt look the slightest bit bothered is being owned by hashirama who looks like he is going to die?
Your saying an alive hashirama owned madara and thought hed killed him still beat him?
Your saying an alive madara who is bljnd with finite chakra fodderised an edo hashirama with constantly regenerating chakra with finite chakra?
Your saying madara didnt plan his revival even though he sent setsu there after the kage fight?
Your saing its not part of his power even though it hasnt acted independant of his command?
Your saying madara was not revived by his own power the rinnegan that obito held and used was obitos own and not madaras?
So all in all by your logic somebody who isnt the slightest bothered in his expression or conduct got beat by someone who looked like death was staring him in the face. You sir are right i guess i was wrong i appolgise for not using your logic thankyou for enlightening me.

 

[KidGamer65]

So what your saying is an edo whose chakra keeps regenerating infineatley so they dont run out chakra is not infinite chakra?

Its called unlimited, not infinite. Infinite implies its increased as Infinite refers to a value, if you didn't learn this in math class.

Your saying someone whose stamina is constantly regenerate ld get tired?

That is clearly false if they are taking CONTINUOUS DAMAGE, which is what Hashirama was taking due to having a rod in his back, manga showed this so its a fact.

So your saying madara absorbed sagemode even though hashirama wasnt using it?

Read the manga and stop asking me these idiotic questions. Does this look like Sage Mode Hashirama to you? [

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So your saying even though madaras chakra was being drained by wood dragons his face didnt crack up and he didnt get tired?

Again, read the manga. His chakra was getting drained and did you see that happened? Oh wait....

So your saying madara who even though wasnt the slightest bit fatigued or showed signs of wear or tear after chakra suction and getting beaten was being owned by hashirama who was falling apart?

Who was tied up and restrained by Mokuryu? Oh wait, Madara was.

Your saying a madara who doesnt look the slightest bit bothered is being owned by hashirama who looks like he is going to die?

Who got tied up? Oh wait, Madara did.

Your saying an alive hashirama owned madara and thought hed killed him still beat him?

I never mentioned Alive Hashirama here nor did I say he owned him, now we've come to putting words in my mouth? Lmao, fanboys make me sick.

Hashirama beat Madara at the VoTE and that's canon, if you want to deny this then its confirmed you are a fapboy. Not killing him=/=Not beating him.

Your saying an alive madara who is bljnd with finite chakra fodderised an edo hashirama with constantly regenerating chakra with finite chakra?

No, he absorbed the Senjutsu chakra from a weakened Hashirama.

Your saying madara didnt plan his revival even though he sent setsu there after the kage fight?

Never said he didn't. lmao, dumbass.

Your saing its not part of his power even though it hasnt acted independant of his command?

Zetsu isn't Madara, and Zetsu using Obito's body isn't Madara's power. Its really that simple.

Your saying madara was not revived by his own power the rinnegan that obito held and used was obitos own and not madaras?

He was revived by Obito, manga fact. No shitty twist of logic is going to change this. Does it matter if it was Madara's eye? No moron cause Madara couldn't have revived himself now could he?

So all in all by your logic somebody who isnt the slightest bothered in his expression or conduct got beat by someone who looked like death was staring him in the face. You sir are right i guess i was wrong i appolgise for not using your logic thankyou for enlightening me.

Sorry pal, that's exactly what manga shows, if you want to deny it, then go deny it elsewhere, there are enough fapboys on this thread. Edo Madara was restrained and about to be sealed away unless he had been revived, manga, fact.

 

[TrollingSage]

Hmmm....that's a very good point. Though....I was wondering...Madara created Zetsu to work for him with unadulterated loyalty, no? They work for him no matter what, correct? Lets say you are a Lord, or a King perhaps...you amass an army, all your soldiers have minds of their own, but wouldn't they still be a part of your military power? As you are the head, and they fight for you? If used as a tool or weapon they equate to your military power, correct? Just a thought, but you make a good point, but I personally will still see Zetsu as his power...I'd find it pretty inane not to on my behalf only.

Oh....I was also thinking....I'll try not to hurt myself. ^_^ Anywho....wouldn't that make shadow clones a separate entity? Shadow clones are used to gather information...once gathered they dissipate and the information is returned to the original, correct? Nao in that time a shadow clone is able to act and think on its own without the original knowing what knowledge it has attained until returned.

Making it able to choose to do whatever it chooses, correct? Also....Madara and Zetsu....in their case they are even linked by the brain....whereas a shadow clone is not I believe. Madara can know Zetsus every move, but if a shadow clone is at a distance you don't get the info until it returns. This is just a thought...I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, but wouldn't what you say make shadow clones not the creators power? As the clone doesn't share the same "thought process"?

Even if the shadow clone is to be returned, they still act and think all their own, right? Madara could erase Zetsu at anytime I believe...same as a clone. Though...a clone is you as far as appearances, but it still acts of its own volition. I believe there was a few times Naruto argues, and plays board games with his clones. If they weren't severed at the mind how could this happen? Again just me rambling my brain over your post though as I said you make a good point. Again...this is just me thinking too much we each believe what suits us.

Though...me personally will consider Zetsu his power...Black Zetsu is actually his will...surely he is his power...?

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Zetsu can't be compared to a clone though. A clone will go poof if the user dies or runs out of chakra. Zetsu didnt die when Madara did, ergo he is his own person.