Establishing why: Kisame > Itachi

[KidGamer65]

lmao, Zexion....FT shitted on you....his post makes perfect sense and I see no rebuttal from you. Well, valid anyway. Not seeing how Samehada ending up away from him invalidates his post.

 

[Shura]

No...Just no that doesn't even make any sense... As if he could all the senbon would of been attracted to anything the IS Touches...yes you said he can decrease the magnetism....But even so it still would of been going there slowly? Which it clearly wasn't ...He can't simply just halt the magnetism yet still have giant globs of IS flying around the place

He can obviously control the magnetism in different things at a time since he can attack with a Satetsu block while the other one is standing still. If he wanted to completely decrease the magnetism in those senbon, then he can do it.

 

[Bronze]

You wasted too much effort on a wrong conclusionU_U

 

[Zexion~]

lmao, Zexion....FT shitted on you....his post makes perfect sense and I see no rebuttal from you.

Lmao not what my rep bar said from someone

His post is talking about that since Samehada had no body...(there was only one, Kisame's)

So it was a normal clone...yet i showed that Samehada ended up in a totally different Spot then Kisame...therefore his proof is void :|

how is this not making sense

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao not what my rep bar said from someone

His post is talking about that since Samehada had no body...(there was only one, Kisame's)

So it was a normal clone...yet i showed that Samehada ended up in a totally different Spot then Kisame...therefore his proof is void :|

how is this not making sense

Samehada shouldn't need a sacrifice to begin with, its a tool, a sword. Its sentient but it clearly isn't alive.

Not seeing how his post is invalid.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Ok i'm done... I swear all of you always are forever calling me stubborn but none of you..and i mean NONE Have ever admitted-ed that your wrong, whereas i have a multitude of times



All this was proven wrong with the fact that Samehada ended up away from Kisame's body...so your proof is void..end of discussion..Now either get some new proof that is actually solid..

or just admit your wrong..

Son, you're the most heard headed Mf'er I had ever encountered. Anyways, PLEASE elaborate because I don't see what your point is.

lmao, Zexion....FT shitted on you....his post makes perfect sense and I see no rebuttal from you. Well, valid anyway. Not seeing how Samehada ending up away from him invalidates his post.

Smh, Thank You!

 

[Shura]

@FT, KG65. Let's not entertain him anymore. He needs to find some entertainment somewhere else. U_U

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Gentle fist utilizes Chakra, >.>

As do paperbombs >.>

Dat SOTRS

Well, you can't hold Kisame's water clones responsible for not reacting to Gentle fist. Not only was Kisame at 30%, but he made clones on top of that, dividing his chakra even more so. You can't hold clones responsible for not being able to react to Neji's strikes, which are very, very fast. Being able to strike 64 times in mere seconds just goes to show just how quick his blows are. As for the air palm, Samehada wasn't in his grasp at the the time anyways.

As for the paper bomb, Kisame didn't even know it was there until it was just about to explode... [

You must be registered for see links

]. It was also on Kisame's blind side. Again, he can't react to everything, neither can Samehada.

 

[Zexion~]

Samehada shouldn't need a sacrifice to begin with, its a tool, a sword. Its sentient but it clearly isn't alive.

Not seeing how his post is invalid.

....So then...This doesn't prove him right either? Lmao this would work as well, And wait..Id def. is alive my man?

its has feelings...Requires nutrients and such...



@FT

Notice how his sword isn't even with him when he's falling

You must be registered for see links

It obviously was flung out of his hands during the impact of the hit

Wait yep...There it goes

You must be registered for see links

That ended your crummy argument real quick


Ganging up on me .... I see,


FT I hope you know What KG said also proves you wrong too

 

[Forbidden Technique]

....So then...This doesn't prove him right either? Lmao this would work as well, And wait..Id def. is alive my man?

its has feelings...Requires nutrients and such...



@FT

Notice how his sword isn't even with him when he's falling

You must be registered for see links

It obviously was flung out of his hands during the impact of the hit

Wait yep...There it goes

You must be registered for see links

That ended your crummy argument real quick


Ganging up on me .... I see,


FT I hope you know What KG said also proves you wrong too

AGAIN, what is your point? I asked you to elaborate and you literally just repeated yourself. And I hope you know what KG said doesn't prove me wrong, at all.

 

[Zexion~]

AGAIN, what is your point? I asked you to elaborate and you literally just repeated yourself. And I hope you know what KG said doesn't prove me wrong, at all.

He's still saying that the Doppleganger jutsu was used on Samehada...not an actual clone jutsu >.> Which is what your trying to suggest



WHAT THE HELL DON'T YOU GET

Only a single body was used to create the Kisame clone [1] While the other body was Itachi's [2] No living creature was used to create the Samehada clone

THIS IS NOW VOID as that image of Kisame's body means nothing as Samehada fell elsewhere...

 

[KidGamer65]

....So then...This doesn't prove him right either? Lmao this would work as well, And wait..Id def. is alive my man?

No, it does show he's right. Samehada being a sentient tool doesn't change the fact that its a tool, meaning it can be cloned how he explained it can in his post. This also shows why there was only 1 body used for the sacrifice to create Shouten Kisame, like he stated.

Sentience and life are two different things, going from what we've seen in the manga and what the wiki says (Manga is mainly my support) Samehada is the latter. Samehada is nothing but a sword that can perceive things, not seeing why it can't be cloned especially considering the whole Shouten business with it being cloned from Kisame's chakra despite not seeing any other sacrifice for it, which would be necessary for something that wasn't just a tool.

 

[Prince Charles]

lmao zex getting turnt up, thats why i repped him

 

[Zexion~]

No, it does show he's right. Samehada being a sentient tool doesn't change the fact that its a tool, meaning it can be cloned how he explained it can in his post. This also shows why there was only 1 body used for the sacrifice to create Shouten Kisame, like he stated.

Sentience and life are two different things, going from what we've seen in the manga and what the wiki says (Manga is mainly my support) Samehada is the latter. Samehada is nothing but a sword that can perceive things, not seeing why it can't be cloned especially considering the whole Shouten business with it being cloned from Kisame's chakra despite not seeing any other sacrifice for it, which would be necessary for something that wasn't just a tool.

U_U Could you link me too a sight explaining the difference between the two officially?

As i can't find one >.<

Not to mention it clearly acts on its own, has its own individual thoughts and goals... Its more life my man, like how it chooses who to become attached too, or how it was showing guilt when used by Kisame...


And i just showed that the sword fell away from Kisame's body...So THAT also explains the fact that it only showed one body

 

[Shura]

lmao zex getting turnt up, thats why i repped him

Lol Liar.. You just repped him because that gives Itachi more of a chance to beat Kisame. ._.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

He's still saying that the Doppleganger jutsu was used on Samehada...not an actual clone jutsu >.> Which is what your trying to suggest



WHAT THE HELL DON'T YOU GET




THIS IS NOW VOID as that image of Kisame's body means nothing as Samehada fell elsewhere...

So what does that disprove, lmao. Read. Carefully.

1. The technique Pain used requires the user's chakra [
   You must be registered for see links
   ] and a body as a sacrifice [
   You must be registered for see links
   ]
   
2. Only a single body was used to create the Kisame clone [
   You must be registered for see links
   ]
   
3. This means that the Samehada clone was made purely out of Kisames chakra that was given to Pain (What is a Mizu Bunshin made of? Kisame's chakra)
   
4. This Samehada clone made purely of Kisames chakra had several of the real Samehadas qualities such as only being loyal and held by Kisame (Samehadas Sensory ability), as well as freely moving on it's own [
   You must be registered for see links
   ][
   You must be registered for see links
   ]

 

[KidGamer65]

U_U Could you link me too a sight explaining the difference between the two officially?

As i can't find one >.<

Not to mention it clearly acts on its own, has its own individual thoughts and goals... Its more life my man, like how it chooses who to become attached too, or how it was showing guilt when used by Kisame...

Its hard to explain, so I'll use an example, KH style..lol.

Terra is alive.

Lingering Sentiment isn't alive, but sentient as it can act on its own.

And i just showed that the sword fell away from Kisame's body...So THAT also explains the fact that it only showed one body

Do you really think that they are going to miss two dead bodies in the immediate vicinity? Do you really think that if there was another sacrifice that it would have been completely ignored? Come on now. :|

Do you really think that the Databook wouldn't have made any note of two sacrifices being used? :|

As FT showed in his post above, it even had some of Samehada's tendencies so why wouldn't it be able to absorb chakra? :|

This quote from the DB entry shuts you down anyway. Important parts will be bolded.

[picture of Kisame's clone, holding the Samehada]
→The "Shapeshifting Technique" also imitates the weapons and tools held by the original person, allowing the copy to fight with them...!!

The Databook pretty much stated that Samehada was replicated because it is Kisame's tool, not because they got another sacrifice for it.

 

[MetalGundam]

Now that we got that straightened out... Back to Itachi versus Kisame?

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Right.

Tsukuyomi 1 shotz.

 

[MetalGundam]

Itachi is beheaded by Samehada, Gee Gee