Philosophically, Naruto Uzumaki is in the wrong

[Sot6p]

Its a freaking anime/manga, get over yourselves..

Really?

Can't an idea brought up by a manga be interesting enough to be discussed?
This is something that goes beyond the manga.

Even if it wasn't something that went beyond the manga, what is the problem with discussing things if they're interesting enough? You must not know, but this manga is based on real cultures.

 

[Touken]

Maybe...
But how exactly are people going to share this illusion?
Will every single human be in a different world, alone?

By creating a satisfactory world, you'll need emotions. Love included.
What happens when you lose someone you love?
What happens when the guy INSIDE the illusion is the one disrupting peace?
Will it really work, even considering there will be corrupted people there?
What if the illusion got corrupted by the humans inside?
If you're alone in your world, what will happen when you die?
Obito is the one that rejected the death of Rin, remember? The very creator of the illusion is already freaking corrupted. What's to stop him from giving himself and Rin immortality?

Honestly, every single idea presented will be questionable.

It's all about perception. Just say the one placed in Infinite Tsukyomi is unaware he's in a genjutsu and thus perceives everything to be real.

Due to this, the love shown to that one shinobi will also be perceived as real. There is no fake love. Also, you'll never lose someone you love as the shinobi placed in the genjutsu has every desire fulfilled. There will be no corruption there. No death either.

Compare this Infinite Tsukyomi to paradise.

 

[saw2097]

It's all about perception. Just say the one placed in Infinite Tsukyomi is unaware he's in a genjutsu and thus perceives everything to be real.

Due to this, the love shown to that one shinobi will also be perceived as real. There is no fake love. Also, you'll never lose someone you love as the shinobi placed in the genjutsu has every desire fulfilled. There will be no corruption there. No death either.

Compare this Infinite Tsukyomi to paradise.

Until they die three days later of dehydration.


Infinite Tsukuyomi isn't paradise, its what Obito wants it to be, he can just as easily make it a hell if he feels like it.

Besides to create the illusion of a perfect world would require a perfect person and there is no such thing.

 

[Tazzilla88]

naruto easy might walk on sasuke and nagato path.

Then he couldn't be destined to anything. The very element of destiny throws out the option of free will. In order for him to end up in the position of to even be the child of destiny certain fulfillments had to be made.

 

[saturn]

With Obito's & Madara's plan, it reminds me a lot like the movie The Truman Show. Not quite a close comparison, but you get the idea of living in a false, peaceful life.

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

There is essentially no evidence that refutes Madara/Obito's claim that the world will not return to war. That the selfish desire to maintain peace leads to war, and that it's an endless cycle. Their cynicism in mankind and it's inability to change, and it's history of repeated violence and inability to understand each other is, frankly, well rooted in reality.

Naruto might be the good guy in the manga, but the real world doesn't work that way. In reality, he's a whiny, bratty, naive kid that gets by on cheap luck and friendship. The reality is that many unjust and unfair things that occur in the real world, and that war and hatred are inevitable. Regardless of the time or place, mankind is doomed to repeat this until the end of its time on Earth.

Of course, Naruto will win because this is manga and not the real world. But I'd like to see a nod on the part of the creator, that this is simply not reflective of the true nature of mankind.

The manga isn't reality. The theme of this manga has always been to have hope. To have the will to never give up. Currently the entire world is united in fighting against Obito/Madara, and the moons eye plan, which is essentially the same general idea as what Neo was fighting against in the matrix. There is no meaning in a peace founded in fantasy, however there is great meaning in creating lasting peace in the real world

 

[krtr]

Then he couldn't be destined to anything. The very element of destiny throws out the option of free will. In order for him to end up in the position of to even be the child of destiny certain fulfillments had to be made.

Destiny doesn't throw out the option of free will at all. Destiny is what the name says Destiny. To reach that destiny there will be many ways, choosing one of the ways is with the help of free will. And that way can be good one or bad.
Free will is the balance of Destiny/Prophecy/Fate or whatever.