Philosophically, Naruto Uzumaki is in the wrong

[narutoblitz]

There is essentially no evidence that refutes Madara/Obito's claim that the world will not return to war. That the selfish desire to maintain peace leads to war, and that it's an endless cycle. Their cynicism in mankind and it's inability to change, and it's history of repeated violence and inability to understand each other is, frankly, well rooted in reality.

Naruto might be the good guy in the manga, but the real world doesn't work that way. In reality, he's a whiny, bratty, naive kid that gets by on cheap luck and friendship. The reality is that many unjust and unfair things that occur in the real world, and that war and hatred are inevitable. Regardless of the time or place, mankind is doomed to repeat this until the end of its time on Earth.

Of course, Naruto will win because this is manga and not the real world. But I'd like to see a nod on the part of the creator, that this is simply not reflective of the true nature of mankind.

 

[Arian]

agree.imo obitos plan isnt that bad..actually like one of the very few ways to achieve peace. to achieve peace one must give up his freeedom and wealth so ther is no conflict anymore...no feelings and such. if i was ther i would have fought by obitos side..cause i think thats the right way^^ but nvm..maybe kishi has a good answer for that

 

[King Of Crows]

I completely agree. Well said, OP. :bouncy:

 

[Chīkara]

Well said.

 

[sagemode07]

Actually, all five nations have united, and the common theme throughout the war is that the wall of hatred between the nations has dissapeared.

 

[Chīkara]

agree.imo obitos plan isnt that bad..actually like one of the very few ways to achieve peace. to achieve peace one must give up his freeedom and wealth so ther is no conflict anymore...no feelings and such. if i was ther i would have fought by obitos side..cause i think thats the right way^^ but nvm..maybe kishi has a good answer for that

1 have to sacrifice and become a monster himself to protect what he love.

 

[naruttebayo]

philosophically it's a manga.
and a manga is for entertainment. Zzz

but if you want to compare it to reality
do you think madara & obito are righteous. :|

 

[mikeeozua]

He's in the wrong because he's naive to think that love and understanding words will really lead to peace. How Nagato even listened to the guy baffles me. A few words are not going to change anything, there are people in the Shinobi world who have lost their whole lives to another nation and they're really going to change because a jumped up 16 year old kid told them to? Nonsense.

 

[Snape Uchiha]

SO true.
TEAM KIRA

 

[narutoblitz]

Actually, all five nations have united, and the common theme throughout the war is that the wall of hatred between the nations has dissapeared.

In manga land sure, but they only united around the idea of destruction and hate of Obito. Out of fear of Madara's name. In that way, Madara was absolutely correct to say that the world had not changed in his absence and that they had not learned much. Hashirama will lose to Madara, because in his life (and apparently still) he failed to realize this. Hashirama's desire to create peace was not enough, even with his power, because he was unwilling to sacrifice anything for it.

 

[Chīkara]

He's in the wrong because he's naive to think that love and understanding words will really lead to peace. How Nagato even listened to the guy baffles me. A few words are not going to change anything, there are people in the Shinobi world who have lost their whole lives to another nation and they're really going to change because a jumped up 16 year old kid told them to? Nonsense.

Basically this.

 

[sagemode07]

In manga land sure, but they only united around the idea of destruction and hate of Obito. Out of fear of Madara's name. In that way, Madara was absolutely correct to say that the world had not changed in his absence and that they had not learned much. Hashirama will lose to Madara, because in his life (and apparently still) he failed to realize this. Hashirama's desire to create peace was not enough, even with his power, because he was unwilling to sacrifice anything for it.

Are joking? In manga land? You refuse to believe people can change but you think it okay they can fly around and breath fire and shiz? I'm done.

 

[narutoblitz]

In manga land, where love and peace and friendship rule the day, obviously Naruto is right because the author wants a world like that to exist... Even most Japanese would say so. But people here in Japan are naive, because they don't remember war. They haven't seen Tikrit, Baghdad, burning oil fields, mass executions by radical Islamists... the real world and mankind's track record suggests otherwise.

Sorry to say that belief in a Jesus-like S06P figure is just silly childish delusion. But hey, it's manga. With regards to the story, I would argue Naruto fails to *at current* realize that peace comes at a price and that he cannot hope to have all of his friends survive the war. Once Obito is taken out, Madara and/or Orochimaru will be the final villain.

 

[kral]

Obitos plan=the matrix n look at how that turned out! Haha haha

 

[S A G E]

But eternal Tsukoyomi is not the answer either since everyone's life span is massively reduced to few days, since they won't be able to eat, drink, or sustain basic human needs, while in the dream state. Sure within the tsukoyomi world, few days is worth a lifetime, but in reality everyone will die after few days have passed and it would spell the eradication of mankind.

 

[The Sach]

Well said OP, but would like to know one thing from you, what's the use of 'dream world', if there is no hatred or war??
You can't achieve 100% peace, but someone had a status here on NB, 'if you have inner peace, you won't have hatred, even if there is war outside', so try to obtain inner peace, if each individual will be able to do it, who knows we will have 99.99% peace one day....=D=D

 

[Punk Hazard]

Obito is wrong too. Remember, he plans to remove all free will. I agree with some of what you're saying, but Naruto is the lesser of two evils here.

 

[Cooh]

Narutoblitz, I wish I could give you rep for every post you made on this thread =D

 

[take it easy]

He's in the wrong because he's naive to think that love and understanding words will really lead to peace. .

this war prove that people can understand other peoples... so naruto was right.

 

[naruttebayo]

both want their dreams to come true
the one who wins is the hero Zzz