Sasuke was always too overpowered

[TheRapGuy]

Exactly, I agree, but Naruto at least trained to mastered his overpowered gift, right? He fight against the Kyuubi and suck up his chakra, in that strange temple in the Turtle-Island. (not to mention FRS and Sage Mode)
Sasuke changed his eye type like 5 times now, training only in Orochimaru's base, where he mastered Tsukuyomi, and nothing else... well done!

The fact that Sasuke has changed his eyes so much points out that he has evolved during his battles. Sasuke did not need to be trained to master his MS skills, he learned how to use them in battles.

After obtaining his MS he discovered how to use amaterasu, after casting it on Bee he discovered how to set it off.

During the Kage summit he perfected amaterasu by learning how to shape the black blames to protect his body. He also used Susano’o for the first time and was able to go from the ribcage to a half body just in some minutes.

During his fight with Danzo Sasuke took his Susano’o to a new level, learning how to use its new powers straight away.

Naruto trains to do something. Sasuke in his last fights has skipped the training and learned how to use his new abilities. It is not training, it is beyond this. It is Sasuke’s talent to learn something very fast without needing training. It is not about miraculously getting power ups, it is about Sasuke that learn very fast.

Sasuke trained with Orochinaru and after that when Naruto meet him, even if Naruto and Sakura had the same period of time to train, Naruto, Sakura, Sai and Yamato could not overpower Sasuke. Furthermore Sasuke was ready to finish them off with a jutsu that looked like Kirin.

I'm going to ignore all the incoherent BS that I just read and jump straight to the bold.

1. He can't Amaterasu/Enton Naruto, he is too fast. Ay was able to dodge Amatersu based off speed. Kakashi Kamui'd a Enton arrow. Ay is proof of this, and Naruto is faster than aye. GG
2. We don't know if Sasuke's current Final Susano'o can tank a TBB, we've only seen PS do that. And don't tell me Sasuke has PS, if you do.. provide me with Manga scans.
3. All Naruto has to do is keep his distance from Sauce, spam TBB's and GG.
4. I'm LG Captain.

By saying that manga facts are what you said they are you do not look biased at all.

It is not all about speed. Sometimes a well-planned strategy can be a big difference. Ay dodged Sasuke’s attack when Sasuke was using anaterasu for the second time. Sasuke is more skilled with the manipulation of the black flames, not to mention that his amaterasu is a part of his Susano’o. Kakashi did not Kamui an Enton arrow, it was an arrow like the arrows Sasuke used against Danzo

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. Sasuke had amaterasu as a part of his Susano’o only after getting angry at Kakashi and losing his eye-sight so he could not use it anymore. I'm not saying Kakashi could or could't Kamui an enton arrow, but I'm just stating a fact. He did not Kamuid an enton arrow.

Sasuke’s current Susano’o might not be able to tank it, but even if it gets damaged it can still defend Sasuke from the attack like when Sasuke guarded Naruto against Obito. The Susano’o was disintegrated but it still had done the job

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Also the TBB is not an intelligent missile. It cannot track its target so is Sasuke avoids it he won’t take any damage. A TBB is not fast like let’s say amaterasu.

Regardless of the Bee fight (in reference to the Bee claim that Shelke made), Sasuke got stomped. He was going to die. He got stabbed and were it not for Taka's intervention he would have died. Not to mention the Lariat demolished his chest and severed his organs. If Juugo didn't infuse his life force with Sasuke he would have died moments later. Come on Shelke... You're better than this.

As Bee and the eight tails did teamwork, the eight tails put him out of the genjutsu after all, Sasuke and the other three did the same thing. Is Sasuke was not assisted he was not making such risky moves, like letting Bee to get out of genjutsu, but he was finishing him off. If Sasuke was not cutting off that tentacle, Bee was not able to escape.

If you complain about them saving Sasuke one could also complain that the eight tails not only put Bee out of amaterasu, but also made his escape possible.

 

[Brooks]

I have a question though....why must people get worked-up when it comes to Sasuke threads?​

OT:I don't know him being overpowered in the past though, but you can expect more haxxx abilities with the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan....​

 

[shelke]

@CrossRoads Yes, because you suggest so. It puts so much weight on it. Enough to tilt the earth on its axis. Since you have nothing to counter other points other than that kiddy reply, it just goes to prove that you yourself do not believe the SHIT - Yeah, I decided to use Caps lock - you typed earlier.

- Magatama Projectiles are thrown randomly all over the battle-field. All those can be easily manipulated into new projectiles. Ae countered one Amaterasu not all its projectiles. Once those are laid on the battle field in addition to a large wall around Susano'o and a very lengthy and large, Enton Blade, and Enton arrows, only a guy with a limited intellectual capacity could even venture that anyone is dodging all that. And Naruto isn't even a small target in BM full cloak. Good luck. GG indeed.

- The Jutsu strength doesn't change at all. What 100% Kurama was able to do, its 50 % should be able to make the same strength TBBs. I am going to borrow Drapsin's found links - thank you in advance, mate. I am far too lazy to type my own lengthy one. This post effectively covers the charge up time as well:

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First of all, there is a charge up time to every TBB, let it be flash, continuous or other wise, so don't throw this Bull shit at me later. At first look at Madara's controlled Kurama's Flash feat:

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This TBB from 100 % Kurama was barely able to travel beyond the mountains. But the retort from Kurama to the other Bijuus TBB blast radius doubles in comparison to the previous radius as this was double Kurama's power - Kurama was matching the other TBBS. Hence 50 plus 50 would equal double. Look at the blast in comparison to mountains. See the difference? Once halved, the difference would be none.

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Directly quoting Draphsin:

That means that a Tbb from 50% kurama which has the same charge up time as the scan I posted earlier is just as powerful, proving that there is no difference in "charge up time". All of kurama's tbbs are the same size & the only reason why kishi shoots them off faster is because they are during fast paced battles... Want another example? Here is a multi tbb ("flash" tbbs to you).

This is a very crucial point, so don't bring it up on the table.

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Note Kurama's remaining tails after receiving the Flash. This is also crucial. The Blast Radius of those TBBs are the size of mountains, and so were the deflected TBBS of other tailed beasts -

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. This is what Kurama accomplished with Minato:

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What's the difference between the strength of ALL these? None, whatsoever. In fact, Hachibi warns about the close range of TBBs that they are more dangerous:

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. So a point blank TBB blocked by a sword not even Susano'o, makes it 100% fact that Sasuke's V4 cannot block it in comparison to two swords, because YOU say so? What a load of BS. And as I can see, you have no evidence to suggest other than, 'it isn't shown that Sasuke cannot block it, hence herpa derpa lerpa, I am right'.

Void arguments as usual coming from someone who typed shit in his post to debunk the original OP without any scans.

As you can see, no difference in scale or destruction between 100% and 50 % Kurama. Madara blocked it with PS? Man, do all you Naruto fans churn out such nonsense? Madara blocked a point blank TBB with his swords that are shown to be far more fragile than Susano'o as shown by Tsunade's feats against a lesser version of Susano'o and its swords. So in your most humble and purely candid opinion Sasuke's V 4 << Madara's V4 swords? Hilarious and a good one. Is it fanfiction?

- Because he obviously has the power and the limit to spam super large Tbbs constantly, right? Another made up point. Not only that, this might interest you:

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. Looks like Obito doesn't believe Naruto is beyond Sasuke's tier. What a shame. In fact, TBBs are easily avoidable. Hashirama moved out of the Flash's range on foot:

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. There goes another point. On hawk, Sasuke avoids them without any trouble.

- Is that all?

 

[Optimistic]

I have a question though....why must people get worked-up when it comes to Sasuke threads?​

Cause hating Sasuke makes people look 'cool'.When in reality they look like morons.

 

[shelke]

Regardless of the Bee fight (in reference to the Bee claim that Shelke made), Sasuke got stomped. He was going to die. He got stabbed and were it not for Taka's intervention he would have died. Not to mention the Lariat demolished his chest and severed his organs. If Juugo didn't infuse his life force with Sasuke he would have died moments later. Come on Shelke... You're better than this.

I am PRETTY sure, I was only talking about the stabs. There is a scan RIGHT there in the manga from Bee himself that the stabs were never lethal as Sasuke used Raiton to prevent any lethal cutting. Whether he would have died in the battle is a vastly moot point. No one is denying that his chest was blown apart and he would have died within seconds had Juugo not saved him. I am not hopelessly blind to manga. But you cannot deny the other points I have posted. All those are facts as well, why ignore those?

 

[Crossroads]

@CrossRoads Yes, because you suggest so. It puts so much weight on it. Enough to tilt the earth on its axis. Since you have nothing to counter other points other than that kiddy reply, it just goes to prove that you yourself do not believe the SHIT - Yeah, I decided to use Caps lock - you typed earlier.

- Magatama Projectiles are thrown randomly all over the battle-field. All those can be easily manipulated into new projectiles. Ae countered one Amaterasu not all its projectiles. Once those are laid on the battle field in addition to a large wall around Susano'o and a very lengthy and large, Enton Blade, and Enton arrows, only a guy with a limited intellectual capacity could even venture that anyone is dodging all that. And Naruto isn't even a small target in BM full cloak. Good luck. GG indeed.

- The Jutsu strength doesn't change at all. What 100% Kurama was able to do, its 50 % should be able to make the same strength TBBs. I am going to borrow Drapsin's found links - thank you in advance, mate. I am far too lazy to type my own lengthy one. This post effectively covers the charge up time as well:

Spoiler

First of all, there is a charge up time to every TBB, let it be flash, continuous or other wise, so don't throw this Bull shit at me later. At first look at Madara's controlled Kurama's Flash feat:

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This TBB from 100 % Kurama was barely able to travel beyond the mountains. But the retort from Kurama to the other Bijuus TBB blast radius doubles in comparison to the previous radius as this was double Kurama's power - Kurama was matching the other TBBS. Hence 50 plus 50 would equal double. Look at the blast in comparison to mountains. See the difference? Once halved, the difference would be none.

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Directly quoting Draphsin:



This is a very crucial point, so don't bring it up on the table.

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Note Kurama's remaining tails after receiving the Flash. This is also crucial. The Blast Radius of those TBBs are the size of mountains, and so were the deflected TBBS of other tailed beasts -

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. This is what Kurama accomplished with Minato:

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.

What's the difference between the strength of ALL these? None, whatsoever. In fact, Hachibi warns about the close range of TBBs that they are more dangerous:

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. So a point blank TBB blocked by a sword not even Susano'o, makes it 100% fact that Sasuke's V4 cannot block it in comparison to two swords, because YOU say so? What a load of BS. And as I can see, you have no evidence to suggest other than, 'it isn't shown that Sasuke cannot block it, hence herpa derpa lerpa, I am right'.

Void arguments as usual coming from someone who typed shit in his post to debunk the original OP without any scans.

As you can see, no difference in scale or destruction between 100% and 50 % Kurama. Madara blocked it with PS? Man, do all you Naruto fans churn out such nonsense? Madara blocked a point blank TBB with his swords that are shown to be far more fragile than Susano'o as shown by Tsunade's feats against a lesser version of Susano'o and its swords. So in your most humble and purely candid opinion Sasuke's V 4 << Madara's V4 swords? Hilarious and a good one. Is it fanfiction?

- Because he obviously has the power and the limit to spam super large Tbbs constantly, right? Another made up point. Not only that, this might interest you:

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. Looks like Obito doesn't believe Naruto is beyond Sasuke's tier. What a shame. In fact, TBBs are easily avoidable. Hashirama moved out of the Flash's range on foot:

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. There goes another point. On hawk, Sasuke avoids them without any trouble.

- Is that all?

Took you 2 hours and 10 minutes to come up with a comeback? Interesting.

I'd argue with you, but after obtaining brain cancer from reading your post..

I've come up with the conclusion that you, are either a troll.. like Solo.

Or downright ignorant, like Macho.

I'm leaning more towards Solo, nevertheless... You need to log off.

I can't even.. the amount of bullshit in one post..

 

[Crossroads]

Cause hating Sasuke makes people look 'cool'.When in reality they look like morons.

I don't have a problem with Sasuke.

When his fapboy's think he can 1 shot the entire NV with Enton is when shit gets ridiculous.

 

[Optimistic]

Took you 2 hours and 10 minutes to come up with a comeback? Interesting.

I'd argue with you, but after obtaining brain cancer from reading your post..

I've come up with the conclusion that you, are either a troll.. like Solo.

Or downright ignorant, like Macho.

I'm leaning more towards Solo, nevertheless... You need to log off.

I can't even.. the amount of bullshit in one post..

I don't have a problem with Sasuke.

When his fapboy's think he can 1 shot the entire NV with Enton is when shit gets ridiculous.

Its funny cause it can 1 shot people.There's ways of dodging it but the requirements are pretty rare for most shinobi, its our fault that amaterasu is broken.I see Narutards talking about blitzing back and forth yet they don't receive any criticism.
Solo is actually a good debater he just trolls to piss y'all off.Looking at this thread and solo's previous threads i can see why he does it, he gets so many people riled up its unbelievable.Its also funny to read through his threads cause i always see the same group of people trying to own his troll bait threads.Lol

 

[Crossroads]

Solo is actually a good debater he just trolls to piss y'all off.Looking at this thread and solo's previous threads i can see why he does it, he gets so many people riled up its unbelievable.Its also funny to read through his threads cause i always see the same group of people trying to own his troll bait threads.Lol

Yeah, which is why I called him a troll and didn't call him ignorant.

Solo is actually my favorite Sasuke wanker.

 

[Humming]

I’d first like to say that I made this thread from an objective point of view and I have used logical deductions without being biased.

Also I’d appreciate if you can keep this thread fanboy-free as much as you can, we should be objective and this is why I have used manga pages to back up my points.


The Valley of the End

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It all started at the Valley of the End, when Sasuke did not only had two chances of killing Naruto

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, but also won against a Naruto helped by the power of the nine tails

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. To think that at that age Sasuke could accomplish such a thing was unbelievable.​

Sasuke's first meet with Naruto in part two

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When he faced Naruto, Sakura, Sai and Yamato he was stopped by Orochimaru from using an unnamed jutsu. After seeing his fight with Itachi we can now clearly see that it was Kirin since the hand motion was the same

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. It is an easy deduction based on elementary logic. Why Orochimaru stopped him was still a mystery, but the four would have been pretty much finished off. They were lucky because Sasuke spared their lives on Orochimaru’s whim. How could Naruto at that time avoid such a hit? Even Itachi’s Susano’o had to reform after getting hit

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What I’m trying to say? Of course the fact that they could not counter the attack, but the fact is pointing out the next question: What was Sasuke’s level after the time-skip? It is clearly that Sasuke had known Kirin far before his fight with Itachi. It is very unpleasing to know that Naruto and Sakura both had years to train, yet Naruto along with Sakura, Sai and Yamato couldn’t beat Sasuke

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If you compare his progress with most of other shinobi’s development, it is clearly visible that Sasuke has made a huge leap in power. He was clearly out of Naruto’s league, since his speed, strategic thinking, ninja tools usage, chackra, ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu have drastically risen above everyone else. Not to talk about him being able to see and talk with the tailed beast inside its host

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Sasuke's battle with Bee

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Now let’s think at his encounter with Bee. Sasuke still had to test his MS abilities so he went easy on Bee until Bee got serious and revealed his eight tails. Of course, being busy with accommodating to the MS and new skills he apparently let his guard down and was wounded by Bee two times

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. When Bee unleashed the eight tails

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, Sasuke knew that it was better to end the fight as soon as possible and tried for the first time Amaterasu

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, thus Bee was finished off

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To think that Sasuke would defeat Bee was expectable, but to think he would completely fodderise the eight tails was again unbelievable

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. Bee and the eight tails escaped

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, but it was just a lucky move

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The Kage summit

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Later he took on Raikage and Kazekage at the same time alone

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, this after he already wasted chackra on some samurais

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. He also traveled there through a snowstorm so he had every reason to be tired before the fight begun

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. Raikage was declared the ruler of the alliance, so the strongest ninja in the world, still Sasuke beat him, the man who Naruto could only bow to. Later he fought him, but that is a different story because I am talking about the Kage summit here.​

Sasuke's fight with Danzo

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Sasuke did not have too much time to recover and his next opponent was right in his face

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. Being completely exhausted he still owned the man who was the leader of ANBU and later Hokage. And when we think that Sasuke was using his Susano’o’s bow for the first time but still done a very good job, when we thing that the forbidden jutsu Izanagi was nothing to him, to think that Danzo’s seal could not stop him, we can clearly conclude that Sasuke was way ahead of other ninjas from his time.​

Sasuke's fight with Kakashi

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Are two exhausting fights Sasuke’s limit? Not even near. He was later close to solo hit Kakashi with an arrow, who avoided dying by using his sharingan

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. Pretty much luck is you would ask me and this manga page

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Sasuke's encounter with Sakura and Naruto

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After that Sasuke goes blind, but still manages to be close to kill Sakura

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. Years of training with a Sannin and still not able to kill an almost blind man. And Naruto……. At his full potential he was equal to a blind and out of chackra Sasuke

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. I thought that he would beat Sasuke then, but once again he proved that he was a completely fodder weak willed.​

The conclusion

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Due to his overpowerness and astonishing skills it seems like Sasuke is becoming like a Goku in the series.​

I stopped reading when you got to Killer Bee. Killer Bee wasn't taking the fight seriously for most of it..And he nearly killed Sasuke quite a few times before even using his Biju mode. Also, Sasuke didn't defeat Bee. He got fooled by a tentacle Substitution...I mean, get your facts a little straighter.

 

[shelke]

@Cross Roads I have better things to do. Unless of course, the internet is your whole life? I have one other thread open and I have yet to complete my reply. It is still open for the past 3 hours. Woe is me.

Please counter, I AM waiting. The free dose of shit in your posts is more contrived than Paris Hilton's Pink thong collection. The OP and me both have used scans to back things. Where is your proof? Oh wait, there is none to this 'BM herp derp lerp derp GG derp derp derp EMS Sasuke' other than fan fiction and a whole lot of stone-age wankery. I find your signature hilariously ironic and persuasively shitty. *Awaits another shitty post with NO scans*

 

[TheRapGuy]

I have a question though....why must people get worked-up when it comes to Sasuke threads?

Because Sasuke solos. is a very skilled person and can bring only the best in others. Just look how motivated Naruto was to bring him back in the village.

Cause hating Sasuke makes people look 'cool'.When in reality they look like morons.

You do know your facts pretty well .

Took you 2 hours and 10 minutes to come up with a comeback? Interesting.

I'd argue with you, but after obtaining brain cancer from reading your post..

I've come up with the conclusion that you, are either a troll.. like Solo.

Or downright ignorant, like Macho.

I'm leaning more towards Solo, nevertheless... You need to log off.

I can't even.. the amount of bullshit in one post..

Prove me that he did only this in those hours.

He proves pretty much that your assumption are erroneous, but someone just looks scared to reply to a solid statement backed up by relevant and objective proof.

 

[Optimistic]

You do know your facts pretty well .

lmao thanks, you see it every day then you realize how common it is and how many people sniff each others ass holes over petty insults to the Sasuke fanbase.

 

[Transcendence]

@Shelke I agree with some points, but some of them are purely subjective. As for the topic of "Sasuke threads riling people up" I only respond to people I know who really mean it. People like Smd and SuperflyzzED. I have respect for people like you, Tim Jamison, Imperfect etc. You guys are real Sasuke fans, not "wankers".

Just my two cents.

 

[Crossroads]

Two things confirmed about you:

1- You're a troll.
2- You're under the age of 14 for sure.

I only debate with people who aren't biased. What's the point of arguing with someone, spending my time collecting facts, and data from the Manga to insert into my post when it will have 0 impact on your illogical thinking?

99% of Sasuke fapboy's have something in common, at the end of each debate it's always "Amaterasu GG Enton GG".

Even replying to you now is completely irrelevant. I award you no points. And have a nice day.

 

[Crossroads]

@Shelke I agree with some points, but some of them are purely subjective. As for the topic of "Sasuke threads riling people up" I only respond to people I know who really mean it. People like Smd and SuperflyzzED. I have respect for people like you, Tim Jamison, Imperfect etc. You guys are real Sasuke fans, not "wankers".

Just my two cents.

Tim, yeah he's cool.

I respectfully disagree about this guy.

 

[TheRapGuy]

I stopped reading when you got to Killer Bee. Killer Bee wasn't taking the fight seriously for most of it..And he nearly killed Sasuke quite a few times before even using his Biju mode. Also, Sasuke didn't defeat Bee. He got fooled by a tentacle Substitution...I mean, get your facts a little straighter.

Bee was not taking the fight seriously only at its beginning. Sasuke also had no killing intent, thus he might have been holding back his attacks not to kill Bee.

Before unleashing the eight tails Bee wounded Sasuke only one time

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, and it was not something lethal. It was an injury, but Sasuke's amaterasu would have not been affected by it so Karin healing him then did not have to take place necessarily.

Sasuke calmed down the eight tails by using amaterasu

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. If the eight tails was got having its tentacle cut

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it had no way of countering amaterasu.

My facts are pretty much taken from the manga.

 

[Optimistic]

Tim, yeah he's cool.

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[Transcendence]

Tim, yeah he's cool.

I respectfully disagree about this guy.

The OP is obviously a troll. His thread was dismantled really quickly but he only kept responding to get people riled up.

 

[shelke]

@Shelke I agree with some points, but some of them are purely subjective. As for the topic of "Sasuke threads riling people up" I only respond to people I know who really mean it. People like Smd and SuperflyzzED. I have respect for people like you, Tim Jamison, Imperfect etc. You guys are real Sasuke fans, not "wankers".

Just my two cents.

This fight it about subjectivity, objectivity, and Hypothesis thrown into a varied mix. As both characters are powerful and both have feats but not against one another at this stage, it gets hairy. All one can do is speculate.

I have nothing against any member either, but it's obvious that Sasuke fan base, even those who post legit points are called fappers or wankers. It's ridiculous. Thank you for the respect.

Two things confirmed about you:

1- You're a troll.
2- You're under the age of 14 for sure.

I only debate with people who aren't biased. What's the point of arguing with someone, spending my time collecting facts, and data from the Manga to insert into my post when it will have 0 impact on your illogical thinking?

99% of Sasuke fapboy's have something in common, at the end of each debate it's always "Amaterasu GG Enton GG".

Even replying to you now is completely irrelevant. I award you no points. And have a nice day.

Nice insults, Hana Monata. Got any more of those high-end heart wrenching retorts? Funny, as you appear to have eye-troubles when I never even once mentioned that Amaterasu or Enton GGs or whatever. That 'GG Indeed' was a retort to yours GG crap without any scans. I never even once mentioned that Sasuke defeats Naruto. I am still of the firm opinion that EMS Sasuke = BM Naruto on power tier levels, but as an over all Shinobi, Sasuke would always be much superior.

Oh no sir, no scans and still acting as if you have a golden spoon up your hind-quarters clearly equals candid opinion. Calling me a fapboy isn't exactly an acerbic aphorism. Some 5 year old shit you are throwing my way. It burns, man. It truly burns. Still no decent counter, I see? Good back paddling once you got cornered. Keep up, as you make up 90% of this useless base. Hey, at least you are the majority.