Databook contradicts itself.
Kamui couldn't be blocked
Ama was as hot as the sun
By that logic Raikiri pierces all
Until I see feats of Yata, then it stand on what it is.... DB hype and contradiction
Clearing up Yata Misconceptions
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Kamui couldn't be blocked
Ama was as hot as the sun
By that logic Raikiri pierces all
Until I see feats of Yata, then it stand on what it is.... DB hype and contradiction
Black Wolf
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Of course its your opinion, and a very blatantly biased one at that.
It doesn't have to. We've seen it put holes through fortified earth walls, we've seen it hold down Bijuus, and we've seen it punch down Perfect Susano'o. We already know it is capable.
It doesn't have to. We've seen it bust through an anti-flame toad stomach in a mere moment, create thunderstorms with its heat, and incapacitate Bijuu which is more than enough to show us its potency. We already know it is capable.
It doesn't have to. We've seen it push back and pressure the Kyuubi, create massive craters on the ground, and fully incapacitate an individual that was thought to be immortal. We already know it is capable.
It doesn't have to. We've the speeds that it is used at capable of warping anyone but the fastest of individuals in this manga before they can possibly perceive it. We already know it is capable.
Overall, all of these jutsu you have listed have shown the necessary capabilities to kill someone, even though they haven't. They have the feats capable of tearing a human apart with ease. This is not at all comparable to the Yata Mirror, whose sole feat is insignificant and based on that sole feat, we cannot conclude that it is invincible.
You'd need to be a lot more objective and armed with a much stronger argument with a much better foundation before you can go around claiming you are infallible.
My argument is that hyperbole should not be blown out of proportion when we have very little reason to believe that the item in mind can come anywhere near to fulfilling the aforementioned hyperbole.
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'MY point is if Kishi really showed Yata mirror to it's full extent then what would be the point in having villains? Itachi would beat everyone if Yata is invincible(as the DB and manga state).. Feats are just nothing but children to wank over. If you follow the premise of his characters as well as go by the manga and databook you wouldn't have these arguments
haha... well Totsuka blitz gg > all others since it took out nagato XDYou can add Tsukuyomi in that list aswell,dont be biased
Didn't stop him from using Amaterasu, or chopping him with Susanoo.
Contradicting yourself there. The databook's description of Susano'o made it clear that those weapons are it's own power [and mere examples of 'spirit weapons', nor the only ones].
Again, contradicting yourself. Black Zetsu made it clear that these are jutsu of Itachi's eyes; Susano'o. No one was ever going to find them, because they do not exist in the same way the way the Susanoo does not exist. You cannot find a jutsu.
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Black Wolf
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If Kishimoto truly wanted to portray Itachi as the strongest individual in this manga, he had plenty of opportunity to do so against Kabuto and Nagato. Unfortunately, he required heavy assistance from Jinchuuriki and an equally skilled Mangekyo user to get the job done. He was not portrayed as invincible or unstoppable in the slightest.
It should tell you that if Kishimoto wanted to portray Itachi as god-on-earth, which you seem to believe, he would have done so. As we have clearly seen, while Itachi is easily among the strongest combatants in this manga, he is far from invincible, and Kishimoto has went out of his way to show that despite Itachi possessing the Yata Mirror.
Following the premise of his characters and manga portrayal would make it painfully obvious that Itachi, and by extension, the Yata Mirror, are nowhere near invincible.
Exactly... which is why yata and totsuka was not used in those fights...
it's pointless arguing with me.. I go off of manga facts and databook thus Yata mirror is absolute.. you go off of feats and feats alone which Manga and databook triumphs feats.. Otherwise filler and anime would be canon
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Blaze Release
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Not really, Itachi used amaterasu before he saw naruto/bee's chakra get absorbed.
As for susano, yes its chakra however he blocked nagato's eyesight therefore stripping him of his awareness which owuld have led to susano being absorbed though the main targets were naruto/bee
Not really. Id like to say those two weapons are unique to itachi and he was the only person who could access it, but again everything suggests that those weapons exists before itachi. All of susano's weapons that we know of, we know its due to susano.
Up till know we know of sasuke's arrow as susanoo's arrow or madara's sword as susanoo's sword.
However time an time again, neither of itachi's weapons has been described in this way, not by zetsu, orochimaru or itachi himseld who calls it by its true name;
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They actually have their own name and their own identify. The sword for example is the sword of totsuka which has been stated to be a variant of the kusanagi sword, most likely the one orochimaru possessed.
Its perfectly logical to assume, orochimaru who wielded one of the kusanangi sword also wanted the variant, the totsuka.
Two two weapons have never been stated to be just any ordinary susano chakra manifested weapons like susanoo's arrow and susano's sword. They have their own name and identity
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Black Wolf
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As I've said numerous times, if you take databook hyperbole to heart, you will end up with Raikiri and Chou Odama Rasengan being unstoppable jutsu. Feats hold a lot more weight than what are clearly exaggerated statements whose sole purpose is to make the jutsu they are describing sound interesting. You have a clear double standard if you are willing to accept the Yata Mirror's hype of being impenetrable while simultaneously cast away other jutsu's comparable (if not superior) hype of being unstoppable.
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It probably works like that. Any previous definition of any other jutsu is completely negated. Raikiri can't cut obito's orbs. Rasengan can't break his orbs. Nor can they beat yata. If we accept obito's black orb Manga Fact > your DB Hype, then we have to accept Yata mirror Manga fact Hype > Your DB Hype.
Bring me manga fact hype please. I've never once quoted DB but that's what everyone's doing. "Repels any attack" is Yata's definition in the Manga, I need to see the cut anything/swallow anything in manga.
No one is saying those are unique to Itachi. There is indeed indication that they existed before Itachi came into the picture, but it is also plainly stated that those weapons belong to the Susanoo, by both Zetsu and the databook. It was never claimed that they were something Itachi had found, because they are a jutsu stemming from the Susano'o, like everything else it does.
All of Susano's weapons are for the most part nameless, since only two of them have become particularly famous.
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Black Wolf
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That is purely your opinion / assumption, with nothing backing it.
Of course they can't. I hope you don't actually think that I believe Rasengan can break the Yata Mirror. Hell, we already have feats of Madara's standard Susano'o blocking Naruto's Rasengan. My point is to show that very little weight can be put in databook hyperbole. If the databook hyperbole were true, many techniques would be far more powerful.
Obito's black orb has the defensive feats that give us reason to believe it can block those jutsu. He has feats of laughing at a Futon Rasenshuriken + Amaterasu combo, so yeah, Raikiri and Rasengan shouldn't be phasing it.
Sure. Raikiri, in the manga, is stated to be a
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So you are basically saying they did exist but rather another susano user had them before itachi therefore they existed before him, but also they are susano weapons. But if that is what you are saying, then why has it never been lumped along with the susano weapons we know of, but also it has clear hype and aura hinting that they are separate. That and also the fact that itachi says its the sword of totsuka and nothing about the sword of or his susano
If we were to assume what you are proposing which is that another susano user had them, the only susano user left that could possible had yielded them would have been izuna and that in itself i am not sure off, but also how a susano weapon could be a variant of the kusanagi which is oro's sword doesn't make sense to me.
Its true nothing states that itachi found them. However because it was stated that orochimaru was the one seeking them, majority assumed they were up for grabs
And that is what distinguishes those two weapons from the other susano weapons we know of which as you say have no name.
Both weapons have time and time again been stated to have the ability to change its properties. Majority assume (and myself) that its ability to change its properties as it has no set/physical form is what allowed itachi to equip it with susano
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1st bold: Then it makes no sense why you'd bring up rasengan. If it can't swallow a susano'o you make little sense, honestly... I don't even see the point of bringing it in here...
2nd bold: it doesn't have feats to show us it can block raikiri. Stop trying to pull BS now. A susano'o stopped rasengan, and naruto even needed to get madara out of susano'o before tossing rasenshuriken. Amaterasu couldn't dissolve Ay's arm, therefore these 2 jutsu being blocked by his orb is absolutely nothing to suggest it can block Raikiri - raikiri using lightning release to cut. OBito's orb blocked the physical force of a Rasengan and fire element of amaterasu, Yata blocked the physichal force of a massive summoning(hydra) and fire of countless explosions, but yet you want to put rasengans hype in your silly little example.
Actually, what were you even trying to accomplish with rasengan...? It's broken it's DB hype so many types. Raikiri's actually cut V2 Tailed beasts (kusanagi failed), Ay's raiton armor, Gaara's sand, etc... Really, were you that desperate to bring in Rasengan?
In short, either you admit Raikiri cuts the black orbs(Light and Dark jutsu), and yata(Spiritual shield with no physical form) - raikiri's never failed to cut anything thus far - or you admit it doesn't. Either way you look like a fool. Good luck with your obvious bias response.
I don't see what the hype is all about, people getting serious and pulling of some major name calling over a fictional character debate...LMAO!!! Calm down brethren's. *lights up a cigarette*
if the manga really does suggest that Yata can block anything, with that logic all the previous hyperbolic/no limit fallacy statements were proven wrong later on in the manga, since we never saw Yata being used occasionally, so it never had the chance or opportunity to get debunked lol. My man kishi.
if the manga really does suggest that Yata can block anything, with that logic all the previous hyperbolic/no limit fallacy statements were proven wrong later on in the manga, since we never saw Yata being used occasionally, so it never had the chance or opportunity to get debunked lol. My man kishi.
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They were lumped in with the other weapons. They simply tend to stand out more due to their other properties. People knew about the Totsuka blade, but no one knew it was actually liquid inside of a jar.
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Thus no one recognized what it truly was until Itachi began the sealing process. Orochimaru thought it was an actual physical sword, so he was looking for a sword. Same deal with the shield. These are simply legends that became distorted over time, and the truth was uncovered that they had been Susanoo powers the whole time.
And it was later revealed that he had been looking for the blade based on a misconception; a legend. It never states he was actually going to find them or that they had been physical weapons prior to that.
It was never stated that the Totsuka sword can "change it's properties", and the manner in which the Yata mirror changes has to do with the manner in which it deals with enemy jutsu. It never stated that either of them had been "found" and "added" by Itachi, or "modified" by him somehow. It simply says they are the power of the Susano'o.