Clearing up Yata Misconceptions
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Black Wolf
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You don't understand what "everything" and "anything" is. Both terms cover a wider and more definitive scope.
All that Raikiri goes against gets chopped. Thus, Yata Mirror being impenetrable means nothing because Raikiri cuts anything.
All that Chou Odama Rasengan goes against gets swallowed. Thus, Yata Mirror being invincible means nothing because Rasengan swallows everything.
The sole reason you are giving the Yata Mirror precedence over these jutsu is pure and obvious character bias, not logical reasoning, which this thread claims to be. You are giving the hyperbolic description of one item priority over the hyperbolic description of another jutsu that has equal, if not greater, absolute terms used within it.
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I figured this is why you doing this... You dislike the fact that Itachi has Yata Mirror... Well I would have continued to argue with you but now I guess it's time to end this little quarrel...
Every jutsu has a weakness thus stated in the manga..
Going by this statement
Yata having the ability to make all "lose it's meaning" since it is a Spiritual, Godly, Ethereal, Supernatural entity not bound by the laws of chakra and ninjutsu triumphs ALL jutsu... as well as any material, astral, nin, or physical entity
With this said... Being a Godly entity that existed before ninjutsu itself and NOT chakra or Jutsu
Against Yata:
helmsplitter
Kamui
Raikiri
ANY and ALL Man made Jutsu, or weapons... Will succumb to it and become nullified.
With this said.. Please explain to me how a Godly Deity would lose to... FYI.. Yata mirror and Shiki Fuijin is the only two things in the series classified as God
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naruttebayo
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Black Wolf
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I could care less what Itachi does and doesn't have. You will find me arguing against anything which I disagree with. I am impartial to characters when I am debating, which you are clearly having difficulty with given the not so subtle bias you have plagued this thread with.
The Yata Mirror is still a chakra fueled technique, just like Susano'o is. That is why it appears and disappears with Itachi's Susano'o. It is bound by the user's chakra, just like all other jutsu. Your entire argument is "godly shield > other jutsu," which has little to no basis.
The Yata Mirror is still a chakra fueled technique, just like Susano'o is. That is why it appears and disappears with Itachi's Susano'o. It is bound by the user's chakra, just like all other jutsu. Your entire argument is "godly shield > other jutsu," which has little to no basis.
so to sum it all up... You refuse to believe the databook and come up with your own assumptions that Yata mirror is based on chakra and that it does not change it's properties to negate all attacks...
Your opinion > databook, manga, and kishi
Understood Sir GG
PS: People who I normally debate against and hate Itachi agree to my post. It's not about bias it's about facts. This thread is not about Itachi it's about people trying to discredit Yata mirror
Black Wolf
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So to sum it all up . . . you pick one databook entry that you happen to agree with and ignore all the other databook entries that very clearly contradict the databook entry of your choosing. You openly create a blatant double standard and continue to regurgitate the same line over and over again, all while claiming to be unbiased.
I am citing hyperbolic databook descriptions, just like you are.
I am impartial to characters in any debate I have. You are using the fact that the Yata Mirror hasn't had enough panel time to be discredited and combining it with what is quite obviously a hyperbolic databook description to employ a no limits fallacy and state that the Yata Mirror has no limits, which is illogical.
TrollingSage
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Wasn't yata created by the sage?
Well he did blind Nagato before he attacked with totsuka.
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Well First I don't believe that Yata Mirror or Totsuka Blade are made of chakra so I agree that they CAN NOT absorbed via Preta Path or any other chakra absorbing technique but Still I believe that Yata Mirror as well as Totsuka Blade use chakra. The reason is simple for yata to negate incomming attack, Yata has to generate same attack so they can cancel each other, of course yata CAN GENERATE ANY ATTACK WIHT REASONS TURN BACK ANY ATTACK... but key factor could be amount of chakra put into attack and from where Yata Mirror generates it's own chakra to repel incomming attack, using logical reasons and mind I can only come up with idea that Yata Mirror takes chakra from wielder needed to generate same attack as incomming to stop it.
That why the user itself is only weakness that Yata may work or no.
Totsuka Blade as well... it is not made of chakra of course... but still The Totsuka uses chakra to draw something pierced and placing it in enternal genjutsu which need chakra as well...
In other words If Totsuka can't have enough chakra then it can NOT pierce or seal enemy.
Nagato can absorb chakra from yata which Yata takes from wielder in mere second to stop attack but Nagato CAN NOT ABSORB YATA MIRROR ITSELF.
Nagato can absorb chakra from Totsuka BladeCAN NOT ABSORB TOTSUKA BLADE ITSELF which Totsuka tales from wielder to pierce and seal enemy but Nagato .
The Bolded part is wrong... Itachi not willing to go all out is NOT WEAKNESS OF YATA OR TOTSUKA BUT THE WIELDER CAN BE ONLY WEAKNESS OF THESE WEAPONS...
Itachi wielding Yata Mirror can only REPEL/TURN BACK ATTACK WHICH HAS SAME OF LOWER AMOUNT OF CHAKRA AS ITACHI's... Itachi can't repel Bijuudama because bijuudama's chakra amount > Itachi's chakra amount.
Sage of six paths wielding Yata Mirror for example can counter almost anything besides FULL POWER JUUBI BIJUUDAMA.
In short:
- Both Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade are not made of chakra
- Yata Mirror uses wielder chakra to repel/negate attack
- Totsuka Blade uses wielder chakra to cut enemy and seal it
- Nagato can NOT ABSORB Totsuka or Yata but could stop these special traits of weapon absorbing chakra from them forcing Yata and Totsuka to absorb even more chakra from wielder... but if wielder has Noone then weapons WILL NOT WORK.
- Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade even although may be indestructible and invincible then their efficiency depends of the WIELDER. Sage of six paths wielding Yata and Totsuka IS INVINCIBLE, Itachi wielding Yata and Totsuka IS NOT INVINCIBLE. THE REASON: SOSP's amount of chakra > Itachi's amount of chakra.
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I'm using 3 Databook panels, 2 databook definitions, 2 manga panels, and 1 manga definition as well as breaking down all the wording properly.. You already said you choose not to believe that Yata mirror is above everything else. If that's the case then stop posting and keep moving. Majority of the people agree with Yata mirror so continue to debate
manga facts, databook facts, kishimoto > your opinion
The problem is people fail to understand that Yata is a God deity.. Stop putting limitations on it and accept that. It does not need Chakra because it is it's own entity.
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Are you kishi ?
NO then you can't deny me being right or no
keep denying in the end your claim is only assumption as mine
Bring me evidences or Kishi's words that Yata Mirror and Totsuka blade don't use chakra, then I WILL ACCEPT ONLY !
Until you have no evidence Itachi's wielding Yata may or may be not invincible due to reason stated by me
Your assumption as meaningful as me stating that Bijuudama being based on Ying and Yang elements can bypass Yata Mirror due to both Ying Yang release being used to create and now to destroy all Ninjutsu aka Obito is doing.
I have no proofs ?, you are right but you have none too, so only we are doing is expressing our thoughts.
We can argue how much we can or respect each other claims until the manga proves one of us wrong.
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Black Wolf
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The only manga panels you have is it blocking a steel sword and some light explosives. That is a feat that can be replicated by any defensive jutsu, like Doton wall, thus does not give Yata Mirror any feats to boast about. As for databook descriptions, I have told you numerous times that the overwhelming majority of them are hyperbolic in nature, which I have proven several times with the databook entries of Kamui, Raikiri, and Chou Odama Rasengan.
Clearly not, judging by many of the responses I'm seeing here.
It isn't my opinion anymore than the Yata Mirror being invincible is your opinion.
not my opinion just states it in the manga and databook...
Btw with your logic of feats and panel display... Mokuton has not killed any one yet..Rasengan has not killed any one..Amaterasu has not killed any one.. Rasen Shuriken has not killed any one..Kamui has not killed any one it's been used on.
So Raikiri all those jutsu right? If you don't understand the point im providing don't bother replying. Cause if you do understand my point then you would agree Yata > all
So your argument is since something was not stated you can make up your own assumptions not off any actual evidence... GG sirAre you kishi ?
NO then you can't deny me being right or no
keep denying in the end your claim is only assumption as mine
Bring me evidences or Kishi's words that Yata Mirror and Totsuka blade don't use chakra, then I WILL ACCEPT ONLY !
Until you have no evidence Itachi's wielding Yata may or may be not invincible due to reason stated by me
Your assumption as meaningful as me stating that Bijuudama being based on Ying and Yang elements can bypass Yata Mirror due to both Ying Yang release being used to create and now to destroy all Ninjutsu aka Obito is doing.
I have no proofs ?, you are right but you have none too, so only we are doing is expressing our thoughts.
We can argue how much we can or respect each other claims until the manga proves one of us wrong.
not needed.. clearly states All nin,material,astral, physical are blocked... and the fire from the explosion was lbocked U_U
@Kamui folks FYI Kamui is astral projection and thus is blocked