Kakashi Hatake(with Beheader Blade) vs Kisame Hoshigaki

[Zexion~]

You know what's also made of chakra?

The Juubi.

See where I'm going?

What .. .. It obviously has more chakra then Samehada can handle but if kisame were able to touch it with Samehada. It would indeed begin absorbing chakra ..

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

if Kakashi one-shots Kisame with Kamui he wins
otherwise he gets raped

 

[pateuvasiliu]

What .. .. It obviously has more chakra then Samehada can handle but if kisame were able to touch it with Samehada. It would indeed begin absorbing chakra ..

Samehada absorbing Kamui is fanfiction.

 

[EliteKakashi]

The problem with the thought that Samehada can absorb Kamui is, first of all, Kakashi could simply aim for Kisame's head and warp it away at a practically instant speed

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, or second of all simply pour enough chakra in to it to overwhelm Samehada(if he for whatever reason decided to be stupid about it and aim at samehada...)

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[KidGamer65]

Kamui's warp point has no chakra in it for Samehada to absorb. Chakra is spent to open the warp point but no chakra is present in the warp point. So Samehada can't absorb Kamui. Just wanted to point that out.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Kamui's warp point has no chakra in it for Samehada to absorb. Chakra is spent to open the warp point but no chakra is present in the warp point. So Samehada can't absorb Kamui. Just wanted to point that out.

It's an arguable point. It's listed as a ninjutsu as well.

Eitherway, Samehada isn't going to be absorbing kamui, even if kamui can be absorbed.

 

[Penguin]

Kamui's warp point has no chakra in it for Samehada to absorb. Chakra is spent to open the warp point but no chakra is present in the warp point. So Samehada can't absorb Kamui. Just wanted to point that out.

How do you know the warp point has no chakra? It would need chakra.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

How do you know the warp point has no chakra? It would need chakra.

Kamui is instant, Kisame has no time to react to it. He'd be warped before he knows it.

 

[Zexion~]

Kamui is instant, Kisame has no time to react to it. He'd be warped before he knows it.

Not if he is merged ..

 

[Penguin]

Not if he is merged ..

Bingo.

:nindaime:

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I do have a theory.

The Bijuu chakra in Lariat is meant to empower the Lariat itself, not do damage to Kisame. We know Bijuu chakra is empowering since we saw that Naruto can give it freely to his allies. Same goes for Bee's. Thus, Kisame stole Bee's boost and gave it to himself.
Meanwhile, Raikiri is chakra molded into lightning with the sole purpose of cutting through an opponent. This is imo the best explanation as to why Samehada was having trouble absorbing Itachi's katon. It can't properly absorb destructive chakra.

This also explains why Samehada liked Bee's chakra whereas it whined from Itachi's katon chakra.

And Raikiri > Lariat, so no.

Samehada absorbed Bee's raiton without a problem [

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] It whined about the Katon, because it didn't like the taste of it's chakra.

This didn't prove that Kakashi's raiton variants contains more chakra then 6 tails worth of bijuu level chakra.

It would be an interesting fight, which is why I suggested it for the debate tournament.

Kakashi's sharingan gives him the ability to dodge even fast techniques at close range, even while engaging another opponent

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. Off the top of my head, I don't recall Kisame having a technique any faster than Kakuzu's futon blast, but either way it's just a point to make that Kakashi doesn't have to match Kisame's suiton....although, he potentially can.

If Kisame decides to turn the battlefield in to a lake, it really doesn't hurt Kakashi as much as one would believe. He's already shown he's capable of copying high level suiton techniques when he has a water source

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. Remember, the ranking of a technique is based on how difficult it is to perform. Not only has Kakashi proved he's capable of high level suiton(even when his chakra was 4 to 5 times less than what it is now), he also impressed Kisame himself with how effective he was with it

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, that of course not only came after Kakashi used a suiton clone effectively, but after he copied Kisame's water shark technique

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Kakashi's kinjutsu feats also surpass that of Kisame. Among those feats is not only his use of the kubikiribocho, but him being able to combat Zabuza with just a kunai against the kubikiribocho -

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I'm not 100% sure on who I would pick to win, but whoever wins it would be with the upmost difficulty. Kisame isn't going to beat Kakashi with just suiton, though.

@ Bold - Please explain. He's up against someone with bijuu level chakra reserves. Kakashi is clearly outclassed here.

@ 2nd Bold - What are his ways of dealing with up to 1,000 sharks, GSB, Water Prison, and Mizu Bunshin spam?

Could you post a scan please? Cause I don't remember this. But this is off topic so I'll stop here.

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Concerning the Kamui argument. It's highly unlikely Samehada will be able to absorb without having no prior knowledge on it. As there will be no anticipating the technique and it's simply too fast to react to in the last second.

With knowledge, it's getting absorbed.

 

[EliteKakashi]

@ Bold - Please explain. He's up against someone with bijuu level chakra reserves. Kakashi is clearly outclassed here.

@ 2nd Bold - What are his ways of dealing with up to 1,000 sharks, GSB, Water Prison, and Mizu Bunshin spam?

I did explain. Kakashi's capable of using high level suiton, even when his chakra is drastically lower than what it currently is.

Kisame only used 1,000 sharks when out in the ocean, it's not a factor here. Even if it was, you can argue it's not fast enough to hit Kakashi prior to him avoiding. The only reason Gai took it head on was because he needed the scroll. Gai had the time, however, to use Asa Kujaku, realize it wasn't going to take them all out, open the 7th gate, then use Hirudora while Kisame used Daikodan. Going off this, it's by no means outlandish to believe that Kakashi can get out of the way(especially considering our current location) using his raikiri-enhanced speed prior to being hit by it.

His response for Daikodan would again be avoidance. Not every technique has to be matched with another, shown by how Kakashi combated Kakuzu.

Water prison? Seriously? You think Kisame is going to trap the far superior CQC fighter in water prison? C'mon now..

Mizu bunshins aren't hard to defeat and cannot be very far away from it's user. The only time's we've seen it used are when the user of the technique is right next to it's clone.

 

[Zexion~]

Samehada absorbed Bee's raiton without a problem [

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] It whined about the Katon, because it didn't like the taste of it's chakra.

This didn't prove that Kakashi's raiton variants contains more chakra then 6 tails worth of bijuu level chakra.




@ Bold - Please explain. He's up against someone with bijuu level chakra reserves. Kakashi is clearly outclassed here.

@ 2nd Bold - What are his ways of dealing with up to 1,000 sharks, GSB, Water Prison, and Mizu Bunshin spam?

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Concerning the Kamui argument. It's highly unlikely Samehada will be able to absorb without having no prior knowledge on it. As there will be no anticipating the technique and it's simply too fast to react to in the last second.

With knowledge, it's getting absorbed.

Accept he can sense the chakra building up in the chakra points around the eyes .. so he could anticipate it ( especialy since he has knowledge on the MS due to being Itachi's partner) and use a great suiton to avoid Kakashi's line of sight

 

[pateuvasiliu]

With knowledge, it's getting absorbed.

No proof of this. It's fanfiction.

especialy since he has knowledge on the MS due to being Itachi's partner

Especially because he is Itachi's partner who wanks the Uchiha blood day and night he has no clue Kakashi has the MS.

 

[Zexion~]

No proof of this. It's fanfiction.



Especially because he is Itachi's partner who wanks the Uchiha blood day and night he has no clue Kakashi has the MS.

But his eye pattern changes ... and Kisame knows what that means

 

[pateuvasiliu]

But his eye pattern changes ... and Kisame knows what that means

You do realise the switch is instant?

Kakashi assessed Susanoo arrow's speed, realised he can't dodge, switched 3T to MS and Kamui'd it within less than a second.

 

[Zexion~]

You do realise the switch is instant?

Kakashi assessed Susanoo arrow's speed, realised he can't dodge, switched 3T to MS and Kamui'd it within less than a second.

Chakra still needs to build up.. so he must of done it beforehand ,

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I did explain. Kakashi's capable of using high level suiton, even when his chakra is drastically lower than what it currently is.

Kisame only used 1,000 sharks when out in the ocean, it's not a factor here. Even if it was, you can argue it's not fast enough to hit Kakashi prior to him avoiding. The only reason Gai took it head on was because he needed the scroll. Gai had the time, however, to use Asa Kujaku, realize it wasn't going to take them all out, open the 7th gate, then use Hirudora while Kisame used Daikodan. Going off this, it's by no means outlandish to believe that Kakashi can get out of the way(especially considering our current location) using his raikiri-enhanced speed prior to being hit by it.

His response for Daikodan would again be avoidance. Not every technique has to be matched with another, shown by how Kakashi combated Kakuzu.

Water prison? Seriously? You think Kisame is going to trap the far superior CQC fighter in water prison? C'mon now..

Mizu bunshins aren't hard to defeat and cannot be very far away from it's user. The only time's we've seen it used are when the user of the technique is right next to it's clone.

Just because he has shown to be able to use high level suiton, doesn't mean he can go around spamming it in a way that Kisame can. My point here was, he's up against someone who's chakra prool far outclasses him. If he's going to keep on matching Kisames suiton, the last one standing is clear.

Who's to say Kisame needs to create up to a 1,000 in one given go? He can very well muster up half of that, or whatever amount the given water source permits. I find it a little ridiculous that you think something such as

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will be simply sidestepped and dodged by Kakashi. His speed and reaction time doesn't compare to that of a Gated Gai; and given the scan I provided, it doesn't seem that Gai had any other way of avoiding it, other then obliterating the bulk of it with his Morning Peacock.

Again, Kakashi is simply going to sidestep something at

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? C'mon man.

Far superior in CQC? You're undermining Kisame. Kisame effortlessly caught 2 taijutsu masters in a water prison. His Mizu Bunshins clones can liquefy upon contact and swallow Kakashi in.

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Mizu Bunshins are capable of harboring 1/10 of it's original chakra. Keep in mind it took Kisame less then 3/10 of his chakra to create a giant lake. And they don't need to be right next to the original. Take a look at how far away he was [

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Accept he can sense the chakra building up in the chakra points around the eyes .. so he could anticipate it ( especialy since he has knowledge on the MS due to being Itachi's partner) and use a great suiton to avoid Kakashi's line of sight

I don't think sensors can sense where is chakra is building up. That's more of a byukugan feat, where they can see the chakra flow. I could be wrong though.

No proof of this. It's fanfiction.

Yup, just like it's fan fiction that Samehada can absorb chakra. Anyways, I'd rather avoid discussing anything Kakashi and Minato related with you. So i'll leave you with this. Shoutout to Dr Proof.

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[pateuvasiliu]

Chakra still needs to build up.. so he must of done it beforehand ,

Chakra builded up is only necessary for massive targets like the Mazou.

It is clearly shown Kakashi intended to dodge it at first but he realized he can't and had to kamui the arrow.

Kisame isn't dodging Kamui, no chance in hell.

 

[Zexion~]

Chakra builded up is only necessary for massive targets like the Mazou.

It is clearly shown Kakashi intended to dodge it at first but he realized he can't and had to kamui the arrow.

Kisame isn't dodging Kamui, no chance in hell.

Im not saying dodge im saying push water in the way

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like this except he would obv not be on top

I don't think sensors can sense where is chakra is building up. That's more of a byukugan feat, where they can see the chakra flow. I could be wrong though.

Pain could sense the chakra they built up in there feet .. And he obv does not have Byakugan

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