Tobirama is the weakest Kage

[Sexy Steel]

prada too overpowered sorry op u got it all wrong

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Could Tsunade and Minato make Taka crap their pants? I think not.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

1. He didn't used his bosns summons. He didn't used the gathering of the 10.000 snakes. He didn't used the hydra mode.
2. Tsunade's fighting style is extremely destructive. Hiruzen is slow ( same speed as Sakura ), so he won't be able to fully dodge a heavenly kick of pain. The shockwaves of Tsunade's punch/kick would throw him off balance.

Furthermore Tsunade's stamina is better. With her Yin seal outlasting Hiruzen shouldn't be a problem. Hiruzen used 2 shadow clones and two B rank elemental techniques and he run out of chakra. Tsunade healed a whole village without showing the signs of fatigue.

dodged 4.5 speed attacks from Oro Tsunade who has 3.5 won't be able to hit/kick him
she directly hit Oro and it didn't kill him... stating that the shock-waves of her attack will be problem for someone who shat on Oro's strongest jutsu after getting stabbed is absurd
exactly why I think Tsunade wins or ties...(rds) but it's clearly not low diff
also abc logic perfectly works here
it only fails when it comes to characters who have way too unique fighting style like Itachi who can roflstomp most people with no counter for genjutsu

 

[TheEvilOne]

dodged 4.5 speed attacks from Oro Tsunade who has 3.5 won't be able to hit/kick him
she directly hit Oro and it didn't kill him... stating that the shock-waves of her attack will be problem for someone who shat on Oro's strongest jutsu after getting stabbed is absurd
exactly why I think Tsunade wins or ties...(rds) but it's clearly not low diff
also abc logic perfectly works here
it only fails when it comes to characters who have way too unique fighting style like Itachi who can roflstomp most people with no counter for genjutsu

Orochimaru survived her punch for two reasons:

1. Tsunade was run out of chakra. Right after the battle she turned into an old hag.
2. Orochimaru's body structure is ... well is not normal.

But still, her punch did a significant damage to Orochimaru. He retreated, despite Jiraiya was heavenly injures ( his ribs were broken ), Tsunade was run out of chakra, Shizune was busy healing her legs and Naruto was KO-d. Orochimaru almost didn't used chakra.

Orochimaru was also faster than Tsunade, but she was able to hit him. His arms were sealed, but his legs were perfect, since Jiraiya wasn't able to land a hit on him.

Katsuyu can make some giant slug clones to hinder HIruzen's movements, so Tsunade can corner him and land the final blow.

Orochimaru somehow escaped the RDS, I see no reason why Tsunade can't do the same. Not to mention the fact that Katsuyu can melt Hiruzen when he is performing the seal
It's a low difficulty win for Tsunade. Hiruzen can push her to mid diff if he has a lucky day.

 

[Tobby17]

Ok, we get the point, you HATE Tobirama

Tobirama is the weakest Hokage!.. feel better?

 

[BestFriendsForever]

First, we barely know something about his life and second, we don't know what kind of jutsu he can also use. We actually can't say anything for him because we know almost nothing about him! You can't judge his life and strength based only on little information we've got about him. Also, does Hokage title means something? He hadn't become Hokage easily...

 

[Exaar]

Orochimaru survived her punch for two reasons:

Orochimaru was also faster than Tsunade, but she was able to hit him. His arms were sealed, but his legs were perfect, since Jiraiya wasn't able to land a hit on him.

Katsuyu can make some giant slug clones to hinder HIruzen's movements, so Tsunade can corner him and land the final blow.

First of all, Tsunade landing a punch on Oro had nothing to do with Speed, She Hit him because he had his guard down because he knew that she would be petrified by blood, So he had no reason to be on his guard. He was caught by the surprises due to her getting over her phobia, Nothing more.

Problem with Tsunade and katsuya, is that tsunade almost never summons her for combat reasons, She has only really summoned katsuyu when healing needed to be done, But rarely ever for offense. The only time she summoned katsuyu offensively was back in part one with the sannin deadlock.
She failed to summon her at all against madara, So what makes you think she would summon her at all against Hiruzen or other people.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Orochimaru survived her punch for two reasons:

1. Tsunade was run out of chakra. Right after the battle she turned into an old hag.
2. Orochimaru's body structure is ... well is not normal.

But still, her punch did a significant damage to Orochimaru. He retreated, despite Jiraiya was heavenly injures ( his ribs were broken ), Tsunade was run out of chakra, Shizune was busy healing her legs and Naruto was KO-d. Orochimaru almost didn't used chakra.

Orochimaru was also faster than Tsunade, but she was able to hit him. His arms were sealed, but his legs were perfect, since Jiraiya wasn't able to land a hit on him.

Katsuyu can make some giant slug clones to hinder HIruzen's movements, so Tsunade can corner him and land the final blow.

Orochimaru somehow escaped the RDS, I see no reason why Tsunade can't do the same. Not to mention the fact that Katsuyu can melt Hiruzen when he is performing the seal
It's a low difficulty win for Tsunade. Hiruzen can push her to mid diff if he has a lucky day.

because she caught him off-guardbecaue he took Jman seriouslythey are non-factor because of their speedlol,
maybe true but if Hiruzen manages to trick her with a shadow clone it won't work
he had almost no jutsus even Suckura could have given him a run for his money

anyway it's clearly not low diff
low diff is Kabuto/Itachi vs Tsunade/Orochimaru Lol

 

[blackstar9]

I think its a tie between hiruzen and tobirama as far as weakest . They are both pretty featless ! cant judge what you havent seen

 

[Penguin]

Tobirama beat Izuna. That is a feat.
Tobirama used 1 Handseal for a 44 handseal jutsu, as a very weak edo. Kisame needed water btw.
Tobirama's finger > Sasuke.

#mangafact

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Tobirama beat Izuna. That is a feat.
Tobirama used 1 Handseal for a 44 handseal jutsu, as a very weak edo. Kisame needed water btw.
Tobirama's finger > Sasuke.

#mangafact

Wrong, Tobirama's finger > Sasuke, Jugo, Suigetsu and Minato.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

He created Edo Tensei.

 

[Exaar]

He created Edo Tensei.

Creating a jutsu doesn't really prove anything about his combat strength.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

gin kin brothers were killed by darui, and if the rest of the kinkau force was so strong why didn't they kill the entire village?

First, they were not killed, cuz they were already dead.

Second, if you don't remember, beside Darui were: Atsui, Samui, Kitsuchi, Ino-Shika-Cho, First and Second Divisions. . . meaning he was no where near beating them alone.

Third, from the start of the thread, everyone can see that you are not posting facts that were actually said in the Manga, you are just making faults and mostly hating on the character.

Fourth, for those that share my thoughts, he is not here to debate, he is here just to hate.

 

[Penguin]

Wrong, Tobirama's finger > Sasuke, Jugo, Suigetsu and Minato.

Dam, your right.

 

[ReverseZero12]

Died to fodder ninjas from the mist
Couldn't beat an 80 year old man
Couldn't break out of oro's control
Only defeated one ninja worth mentioning and only because he got a lucky hit, which later became infected.
No support techinques
suiton techinques unimpressive
weak edo tensei, oro and kabuto both vastly improved it.
His FTG was much worse then minatos.

Even when looking at other villages, he's a weak kage. Gaara, Onoki, Trollkage, Muu, 3rd and 4th raikage all seem far out of his league. And the current kage, tsundare can heal tons of people at once, has super strength and super healing, making her excellent support, and a very powerful kage.

Do you think most kage level ninjas would die to a bunch of weak ninjas? only the gin kin brothers were of note, and darui beat them. Minato would have easily wiped them out, hashirama would have wiped them out, even hiruzen prime and tsundre would have won with help from their summons. Not tobirama though, he doesn't even have a summoning contract as far as we know. he was truly the weakest and least memorable kage; that's why kishi decided to leave him out of the plot until now.

VERY BAD points and WEAK arguments here....

1) The jounin ninja's that Tobirama fought to his death were from the mist, they were from the cloud village.
2) It was never stated ANYWHERE that the jounin ninja's he fought were weak. How would you know if hashirama, minato or tsunade could wipe them out? They were most likely powerful ninja's that could've owned minato, tsunade and give trouble to Hashirama.
3) He wasn't at full power when he fought hiruzen.
4) He was known as the greatest suiton user so that statement speaks for itself. He has 0 real battle feats so you can't judge him yet.
5) Again we haven't seen his feats so how do you know that those kages you named are far out of his league?

This is just another tobirama hate thread....

 

[GOD2U]

Let's just be fair and say hiruzen was the weakest. Poor old fart looks like he could break a hip at any moment. Jk.

In all honesty they all have their strengths and weaknesses but I agree when paired with the others he's probably the least strongest.

 

[bigfatloser]

Let's just be fair and say hiruzen was the weakest. Poor old fart looks like he could break a hip at any moment. Jk.

In all honesty they all have their strengths and weaknesses but I agree when paired with the others he's probably the least strongest.

glad you agree

 

[Shodai Hokage]

Wow here are a lot of retards, who think that Tsunade is the weakest Hokage.
OT:Yes the current tobirama is the weakest... considering that his only useful tech is Edo Tensei,although it is incompletete.

 

[Bantos]

Well currently yes because he lacks feats.
I could see him taking Hiruzen and Mei with his currest feats... Probably.
We'll have to wait to see more from him.