Tobirama is the weakest Kage

[bigfatloser]

but no really this thread is bs we dont really know much about him and he's still greater than tsunade and hiruzen

manga scan of him doing something impressive

 

[Stark]

Hiruzen/Hashirama
Hashirama/Hiruzen
Tobirama
Minato
Tsunade

 

[oShux]

wow... so much hate in one post...

first off he face 20 elite ninja.. which included ginkaku and kinkaku ..
his water techs are said to be one of the best within the series..
he created edo tensei oro put talismans in them the first time so both hashi and tobirama could not escape.. this was also one of the only reason hiruzen defeated them... and that is only because he had to resort to RDS

.. doesnt matter what u say really tobirama still defeated a strong ninja.. izuna was no weakling .. not to mention his space time techs aswell

i would easily rate tobirama the third strongest kage

Stop hatin bro

Not one of the best, THE BEST he could create water out of thin air

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Nah, that goes to Tsunade.

 

[Bronze]

naa, hiruzen is the weakest.

this is my order of hokages:
1-hashirama
2-minato
3-tobirama
4-tsunade
6-hiruzen

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

I disagree.

1. He didn't die from Fodder Ninja. He died from 20 of Kumogakura's best shinobi which included Ginkaku and Kinkaku...possibly even a hired Kakuzu. In addition, he wasn't fighting them, he was containing and distracting them...that makes him far more susceptible to attack.

2. If you refer to Hiruzen, Recall that this was when Edo Tensei only had a fraction of his power. It doesn't reflect his full power. Considering he scared Orochimaru and gang shitless by raising a finger...I'd say he'd no push over.

3. He was completely ignoring the boundaries of Orochimaru's control. However, once he applied Senju DNA, he was simply restricted from movement. This could stil mean that Tobirama would move much slower than normal...hence further showing his power. Good to note unlike the Senju Brothers, Hiruzen and Minato couldn't even break the control of simple Edo Tensei. On top of this, Tobirama hasn't even put in the seals that break the contract....he did all of that out of will power.

4. Izuna was rumored to be on Madara's level. Also, his hit was due to his skill not Luck. Izuna was clearly surprised that he was hit...it wasn't like he thought he was in the clear. It isn't luck. Also, the wound was fatal....it never mentions infection killed him as I recall.

5. We've only seen him in one fight in which he was sent on offense, and only at a fraction of his power...

6. WHAT?! He used the Water Dragon jutsu with ONE HAND SEAL...and at a fraction of his power....and unlike any other suiton user we've seen, he did so WITHOUT a body of water present.....Kisame had to create his water first.

7. We do not know the extent of his Edo Tensei...impossible to judge. Madara mentioned it was designed to clear the board meaning that the bodies had to have some form of power.

8. Does it really matter?! It is still FTG....it is just used in an attacking method. Also, without it, Minato would never have improved it!!! Remember Tobirama died young. Who's to say he wouldn't have perfected these later on.

9. Tobirama had the physical strength to break a wall by pressing against it calmly with his palm....Super Strength right there.



Also...Darui's win was honestly an ass pull. You may not have noticed; however, Darui got shit on. Due to the plot, Darui's number one phrase just magically changed out of ****ing nowhere allowing him to escape being defeated. So your argument of them being weak because Plot Shielded Darui beat them is crap...it also took another Sage weapon, Mind control, and shadow possession to beat off the remnants of Kinkaku's rage.

 

[bigfatloser]

Laugh my ass off you are funny.

1. We do not know how he died. Ninny.

2. He was barely half powered as an edo, and Orochimaru couldn't beat Hiruzen either.

3. Neither could Minato or Hiruzen. In that aspect, Hashi > Tobi > Minato > Hiruzen.

4. Lucky hit? Hiraishingiring an MS user takes skill. <3

5. Suiton is great for support. Ninny.

6. He did a jutsu that requires 44 Handseals in 1 Handseal as a half powered Edo. Ninny.

7. He invented it, and we have not seen it. Kabuto and Oro edo tensei are almost perfect so ya, I bet they do have better Edo. No other Kage has Edo Tensei though so.......your a ninny.

8. Much worse? I doubt it. It is worse but not by that much.

He lifted 1 finger and made Suigetsu piss his pants, and scared Kage level ninja. Hashirama was the only one that was un-afraid. He is either 2nd or 3rd strongest Kage, not the weakest. LMFAO.

Suigetsu is a little baby who whines about everything

Tobirama has no way of defeating anyone who is actually strong. Didn't that dragon water jutsu take like 44 handseals? and it sucked. So yeah that's not impressive either.

If that was tobirama at half power, then full power tobirama is only 2x as strong as he was when he fought hiruzen, which isn't very strong.

Only tobirama actually tried to escape oro's control, we don't know if minato or hiruzen could.

We know he died to a weak force of ninja hit men.

 

[Ababeel]

I agree that he's the weakest Hokage. IMO it's

1- KCM Minaro (he is no included with Hiruzen's statement anymore because he did not have RM before)
2- Prime Hiruzen.
3- Hashirama
4- Tsunade
5- Tobirama

 

[Optimistic]

This thread will reach 3 pages i can feel it.
OT(cause people on this site report for spam 24 7): i disagree.

 

[narutodude3]

dude! u have no idea what ur saying! 2nd is soo much stronger than hiruzen and tsunade! u said ..all his bad qualities! think of it this way! who invented the edo tensei? without him oro would have never made it better! second ..he's the only water element ninja ..who can do jutsu's without a source of water ..that is ..he can create water from thin air! and he has the bringer -of -darkness jutsu! considered as one of the greatest genjutsu! so ..overall ..he's the best water element ninja ..u can find! =D

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

LMFAO, OP is a Tobirama hater to the max. XD

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Pathetic. Tobirama would manhandle Tsunade and Minato.

 

[Neonian]

Calm down, we still haven't seen his true powers.

 

[Ababeel]

3. He was completely ignoring the boundaries of Orochimaru's control. However, once he applied Senju DNA, he was simply restricted from movement. This could stil mean that Tobirama would move much slower than normal...hence further showing his power. Good to note unlike the Senju Brothers, Hiruzen and Minato couldn't even break the control of simple Edo Tensei. On top of this, Tobirama hasn't even put in the seals that break the contract....he did all of that out of will power.

No one break the control of the edo among the Hokages. and we saw Oro when he control Tobirama as well, so
what are you talking about?

 

[Bogard]

I disagree.

1. He didn't die from Fodder Ninja. He died from 20 of Kumogakura's best shinobi which included Ginkaku and Kinkaku...possibly even a hired Kakuzu. In addition, he wasn't fighting them, he was containing and distracting them...that makes him far more susceptible to attack.

2. If you refer to Hiruzen, Recall that this was when Edo Tensei only had a fraction of his power. It doesn't reflect his full power. Considering he scared Orochimaru and gang shitless by raising a finger...I'd say he'd no push over.

3. He was completely ignoring the boundaries of Orochimaru's control. However, once he applied Senju DNA, he was simply restricted from movement. This could stil mean that Tobirama would move much slower than normal...hence further showing his power. Good to note unlike the Senju Brothers, Hiruzen and Minato couldn't even break the control of simple Edo Tensei. On top of this, Tobirama hasn't even put in the seals that break the contract....he did all of that out of will power.

4. Izuna was rumored to be on Madara's level. Also, his hit was due to his skill not Luck. Izuna was clearly surprised that he was hit...it wasn't like he thought he was in the clear. It isn't luck. Also, the wound was fatal....it never mentions infection killed him as I recall.

5. We've only seen him in one fight in which he was sent on offense, and only at a fraction of his power...

6. WHAT?! He used the Water Dragon jutsu with ONE HAND SEAL...and at a fraction of his power....and unlike any other suiton user we've seen, he did so WITHOUT a body of water present.....Kisame had to create his water first.

7. We do not know the extent of his Edo Tensei...impossible to judge. Madara mentioned it was designed to clear the board meaning that the bodies had to have some form of power.

8. Does it really matter?! It is still FTG....it is just used in an attacking method. Also, without it, Minato would never have improved it!!! Remember Tobirama died young. Who's to say he wouldn't have perfected these later on.

9. Tobirama had the physical strength to break a wall by pressing against it calmly with his palm....Super Strength right there.



Also...Darui's win was honestly an ass pull. You may not have noticed; however, Darui got shit on. Due to the plot, Darui's number one phrase just magically changed out of ****ing nowhere allowing him to escape being defeated. So your argument of them being weak because Plot Shielded Darui beat them is crap...it also took another Sage weapon, Mind control, and shadow possession to beat off the remnants of Kinkaku's rage.

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OT: The weakest Hokage is Tsunade. The weakest kage? Dk, maybe Mei

 

[RNITBmsage]

dat fur... nothing else need be said

 

[elsepa]

Lol Ababeel you're retarded man.

I second this.

 

[bigfatloser]

dude! u have no idea what ur saying! 2nd is soo much stronger than hiruzen and tsunade! u said ..all his bad qualities! think of it this way! who invented the edo tensei? without him oro would have never made it better! second ..he's the only water element ninja ..who can do jutsu's without a source of water ..that is ..he can create water from thin air! and he has the bringer -of -darkness jutsu! considered as one of the greatest genjutsu! so ..overall ..he's the best water element ninja ..u can find! =D

bringer of darkness isn't that good, the victim can still fight. Itachi's genjutsu was much better.

He created a lot of jutsu but he never improved them much and isn't effective at using them.

creating water out of mid-air isn't even that cool.

 

[Ababeel]

Lol Ababeel you're retarded man.

If only you worth to take your opinion, but really I could careless.
people without ethics like you = Nothing.

 

[Klad]

You're just a hater .

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