So, Minato's got great shunshin speed as well?

[Memoria]

Still not getting it bro

Hiraishin is the name of his flying thunder god, its not what everybody (including you) calls teleportation. Its minato's own personal name for his own personal jutsu. Now please explain to me how tobirama would know what minato's jutsu is called (I know he has a FTG slash but that still doesnt prove that tobirama knew what minato calls his own jutsu).

As I said you would be seriously ignorant to think tobirama knew that minato's teleportation was called Hiraishin (Flying thunder god), because he has no prior knowledge on what minato names his jutsus. So until you can prove that tobi knows what hiraishin is then you cant win this argument.

Btw that top part of your argument is irrelevant because you simply cant prove that tobirama knows what minato calls his "hiraishin".

You still don't understand, do you. The burden of proof is on you. All of the nonsense you pull does not prove Minato used Hirashin to reach the battlefield,. A Hokage who can't differentiate between space/time and Shunshin, even though he uses space/time himself, I've never heard of something like this. Tobirama could've at least suspected it was space/time that Minato used if he saw him teleporting, and not compliment his Shunshin, which is an advanced form of foot speed. You need to get your stuff together. Tobirama being a fellow space/time user knew Minato used Shunshin, it's not like the speed of Shunshin can be compared to a space/time technique like Hirashin. And I'm still awaiting your proof regarding Minato's hidden marking in the battlefield, that no one noticed except you.
And way to avoid a large portion of my post again.

 

[Draphsin]

You still don't understand, do you. The burden of proof is on you. All of the nonsense you pull does not prove Minato used Hirashin to reach the battlefield,. A Hokage who can't differentiate between space/time and Shunshin, even though he uses space/time himself

Stopped reading right here....HIRAISHIN =/= SPACE TIME. Hiraishin is the name of his space time technique, tobirama has no knowledge of what minato calls his space time techniques, so why would he assume that its called hisaishin??

Rin called minato's FTG shunshin, whether she knew about his technique or not proves that it can be interpreted both ways, so tobirama who has no knowledge of the name of FTG wouldnt immediately call it FTG. Hence he called it shunshin, because he had no other name for it.

Burden of proof is on you, dont try to turn it on me because im the minority in this argument.

 

[Retsu]

You believe that tobirama has knowledge of "hiraishin" which is impossible. So no matter what my theory is after the fact, it doesnt change what we've been given. Unless you can somehow prove that tobirama knew what hiraishin is or what hiraishin does then you cant prove that minato didnt use it in that scenario...

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree, then.

 

[Draphsin]

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree, then.

Guess so.....

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[OnPoint]

We've been saying this since his performance against Obito and more specifically, his altercation with Kurama. Yondaime has body flicker feats and he's recognized as a seasoned Jikūkan Ninjutsu user - under which both Shunshin and Hiraishin are categorized.

 

[maxwellwilson02]

It's plainfully obvious to most that he is speedy. The only people who don't agree are those unable to understand the intent of the

writer ( who has stated throughout the manga that Minato is the fastest) or simply have a hatred of him that doesn't allow them

to acknowledge his feats.

 

[BloodSeed]

i think shunshin and hiraishin are in the same category. just like katon jutsu however itachi can use more advance his amaterasu. something like that

yeah and from above poster yeah. it was kishis intention that minato is the fastest hiraishin or anything you cant beat the god of speed in narutoverse

1 panel is slow so he made it 0 panel

 

[Memoria]

Stopped reading right here....HIRAISHIN =/= SPACE TIME. Hiraishin is the name of his space time technique, tobirama has no knowledge of what minato calls his space time techniques, so why would he assume that its called hisaishin??

Burden of proof is on you, dont try to turn it on me because im the minority in this argument.

Stopped reading? More like you found a way to avoid the main points that you can't say anything about. :I
Why would Tobirama call it Hirashin? There was no need for that. He could've suspected it was a space/time technique when he saw Minato teleport to reach the battlefield. And it wasn't surprising for him, seeing as he's a fellow space/time user as well, he knew there was other shinobi who used space/time and not just him. The question is: Why didn't Tobirama compliment Minato's space/time talent? Seeing as the speed of Shunshin can't really be called space/time, since it's an advanced form of foot speed. If Minato used space/time to reach the battlefield, in Toirama's point of view, he wouldn't have complimented his Shunshin. It's laughable to think a space/time user sees someone teleporting, and calls that Shunshin. You can't make Tobirama that dense just to support your argument.
Still awaiting your proof that Minato used Hirashin to reach the battlefield. And another proof of Minato having a marking there. Don't ask for proof when you yourself can't provide one. You are literally arguing against the manga. Good job.

 

[End of Days]

No marking no hiraishin, kishi makes sure to show the marking before or after minato teleports.

 

[Kirikoe]

I believe in this case he was on about body flicker since minato couldnt have just FTG'd to the battlefeild since he had no way of doing so.. this just further proves that he is incredibly quick even without FTG

 

[Draphsin]

Stopped reading? More like you found a way to avoid the main points that you can't say anything about. :I
Why would Tobirama call it Hirashin? There was no need for that. He could've suspected it was a space/time technique when he saw Minato teleport to reach the battlefield.

Even if he did call it that, he still has no other name to associate minato's s/t jutsu with. He would'nt call it "hiraishin" because hiraishin =/= s/t jutsu.

And it wasn't surprising for him, seeing as he's a fellow space/time user as well, he knew there was other shinobi who used space/time and not just him. The question is: Why didn't Tobirama compliment Minato's space/time talent? Seeing as the speed of Shunshin can't really be called space/time, since it's an advanced form of foot speed.

He did, shunshin is also associated with

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, therefore it can be interpreted both ways. So if tobirama has no other name for minato's s/t, he will call is shunshin

If Minato used space/time to reach the battlefield, in Toirama's point of view, he wouldn't have complimented his Shunshin. It's laughable to think a space/time user sees someone teleporting, and calls that Shunshin. You can't make Tobirama that dense just to support your argument.

Why? Shunshin is associated with teleportation, you cant prove that tobirama knows the name of his jutsu, it makes more sense that he would call it shunshin because he has no other name for it. Lol

Still awaiting your proof that Minato used Hirashin to reach the battlefield.

The kunai in the ocean was on

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, he cant shunshin there because he cant fly. The only other obvious explanation is that he threw it.

And another proof of Minato having a marking there.

Minato's been shown to throw

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at once, he could've easily thrown one out on the island & one in front of naruto simultaneously.

Don't ask for proof when you yourself can't provide one. You are literally arguing against the manga. Good job.

LOL & you avoided the main question, what would tobi call it if not shunshin?

I gave you proof of my side of the argument, yet you lack the proper proof to support your side. You say that minato used shunshin when a) tobi knows nothing of "hiraishin" b) teleportation has been referred to as "shunshin" before & c) Minato somehow reached an island without the help of FTG. & now that that's out of the way...


...You avoided my main argument by trying to justify tobirama's reasoning for calling it shunshin, thats irrelevant if tobirama doesnt know the name of minato's jutsu. Its makes canonical & logical sense that tobirama would associate his FTG with shunshin.

 

[Jikukan]

How the hell could minato throw his kunai this far?
How did Tobirama arrived on the battlefield? he did not have markings, so does that mean he used Shunshin?

If so i think he reffered to body flicker and not hiraishin.

And how could there be a diffence in speed using hiraishin?
Or Minato is so damn fast you cant exept it, or his throwing skills are so high that even itachi cant come close to his skills and even his FTG is faster than any other FTG user.

Conclusion, case 1 Minato is awesome and nr 1 in speed. FTG AND shunshin
case 2 Minato is awesome, nr 1 with speed (and even better and faster with FTG than we al thought!) + nr 1 with throwing skills.

I like both options, but im curious wich one is true

 

[Jikukan]

Shinobi's dont need to fly to get to an island you know that right??

 

[Draphsin]

Shinobi's dont need to fly to get to an island you know that right??

Id love to see a scan of a ninja covering that distance without teleporting or flying

 

[Jikukan]

Id love to see a scan of a ninja covering that distance without teleporting or flying

That dude is faster than Jesus, trust me

 

[AGoodBoy]

I'd just like to point out some solid proof why none of the hokage FTG'd to battlefield.

1) There were no markings.
2) Minato arrived before the hokage
3) Sasuke and juugo arrived last.

Sasuke nor juugo have S/t. If they didn't come with tobirama/minato's S/T, they wouldn't be anywhere near the battlefield for the next 5 chapters. Everyone ran/shuushin'd. Minato just went god mode :/

Really, if it was FTG. Sasuke wouldn't have reached after, and orochimaru wouldn't need to be behind. Tsunade had a current marking on her afterall. If bee's tentacle/naruto's FTG marking didn't wear out (only way to FtG to battlefield) then tsunade's wouldn't be gone yet. Minato would be able to FtG everyone to tsunade, and FtG to the battlefield all before the juubi even opened it's mouth for it's juubi-dama.

 

[Draphsin]

That dude is faster than Jesus, trust me

It doesnt matter how fast you are, you cant grow wings & fly

It makes more sense that he threw the kunai to that island in the midst of teleporting.

He can do things while using hiraishin, such as throw a simple kunai.

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[AGoodBoy]

It doesnt matter how fast you are, you cant grow wings & fly

It makes more sense that he threw the kunai to that island in the midst of teleporting.

He can do things while using hiraishin, such as throw a simple kunai.

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No offence, dude, but seriously, just look at the scan.

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That's incredibly far off land... He'd need to be hercules. Not even a high powered sniper rifle would be able to shoot that kunai that far. The drop off would be too much especially since his kunai are heavier than normal ones...

 

[Jikukan]

For me it looks impossible to throw a kunai and actually hit that small rock in the ****ing large ocean, i mean it could hit alot of other things that just could place it somewhere else. That would mean he woulndt know where he got teleported and thus a verry stupid action. And we all know Minato is a genius and would never do something like that.

Besides, you would need throwing skills of ultimate god level

 

[Draphsin]

No offence, dude, but seriously, just look at the scan.

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That's incredibly far off land... He'd need to be hercules. Not even a high powered sniper rifle would be able to shoot that kunai that far. The drop off would be too much especially since his kunai are heavier than normal ones...

So whats your point? That minato jumped there instead?

For me it looks impossible to throw a kunai and actually hit that small rock in the ****ing large ocean, i mean it could hit alot of other things that just could place it somewhere else. That would mean he woulndt know where he got teleported and thus a verry stupid action. And we all know Minato is a genius and would never do something like that.

Besides, you would need throwing skills of ultimate god level

So how do you expect he got to that island in time? He teleported back to his kunai which he threw from the sky, this is fact. Therefore how else could minato get even remotely close to that island if he didnt use any form of teleportation?