So, Minato's got great shunshin speed as well?

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Remember? Naruto has an ftg seal on his tummy along with the sealing of the biju. Minato could of just teleported to Naruto.

If that's true, I didn't know Naruto and Sakura and countless shinobi around them were blind not to notice Minato who teleported to Naruto's tummy / near it. It's clear that he reached there using Shunshin; hence Tobirama's statement.

Doesnt matter, If he was talking about basic shunshin then it makes no sense for him to only mention himself. Bad logic my friend

It makes perfect sense. He thought Minato's Shunshin was better than his, so he compared the two. It would've been rude of him to speak for the others when they could speak for themselves. It's simple, don't know why it's difficult for you to comprehend. And whether his Shunshin is better than the other Hokage or not is yet unknown. I mean, you can't use that panel when they arrived together as proof. We don't know what happened in midway. And after all, Sasuke and Juugo arrived at approximately the same time. You can't use that as proof that Juugo has the same Shunshin level as Sasuke, whose Shunshin was stated in the databook to be 'Godspeed', and several times in the manga for being 'too fast'. Juugo's Shunshin level is nowhere near Sasuke's, yet he arrived at approximately the same time.

Im only repeating your terrible argument format, you said that hriuzen was praising minato because of his shunshin, yet you provide a lack of evidence supporting such a claim. & on the flip side, you expect me to give you some evidence rebutting your point? Jesus, Why are you so bad at debating??? XD

Pretty sure I never said this, unless you can show me where.
And way to avoid my questions again. Where was it stated that Hiruzen was praising Minato's Hirashin and not his Shunshin? Last time I checked he praised his speed, but is there anything that proves he meant Hirashin? Nothing that I remember.

LOL & you completely dismiss all three points!! This proves that you cant come up with anything better because you simply brush off what i've shown you. TYPICAL ignorance

Pretty sure I asked you for proof that Tobirama used Hirashin to reach the battlefield, and not for anything less. Unless that was your proof. If so, you don't seem to know what 'proof' is.

No, you're denying the fact that rin called minato's FTG shunshin, the situation doesnt matter because the point still stands genius. FTG & shunshin can be interpreted both ways, manga shown.

Manga has shown that Shunshin is different from space-time. Just because a Chuunin made a mistake and couldn't differentiate between the two doesn't mean Tobirama would do the same mistake. It's not like a Hokage's knowledge of space-time and Shunshin can be compared to a Chuunin's anyway.

Shunshin was translated by that scan to be the same as "teleportation". Tobirama called his FTG shunshin because its a form of teleportation, so no that scan doesnt "own" me. It proves that shunshin can be referred to as a form of teleportation, FTG is also a form of teleportation. Obvious link is obvious :sy:

Shunshin / Body Flicker has never been called 'teleportation' in the manga nor the databook, and I mean it. That translation merely used the term 'teleportation jutsu' to refer to Shunshin / Body Flicker, which is by itself a mistake. Bring up the official/Viz scan and we can talk.

Doesnt matter what I say or what I think about the situation so dont avoid the main issue. THE fact of the matter is that minato was shown to throw his kunai down to naruto & immediately teleported to it. You're telling me that minato used shunshin when he obviously used FTG to get to his kunai? lawl

[*]But what you're overlooking is the Minato teleported a huge a$$ Bijuudama before that Hirashin kunai was shown, which means he arrived at the battlefield before that Hirashin kunai was thrown. That fact by itself sh!ts on your argument that Minato used that Hirashin kunai to reach the battlefield.

Are you blinded that much by your own ignorance that you didnt see minato teleport to his kunai? lmfao

See [*]. Minato arrived at the battlefield before that Hirashin kunai was even thrown; which means your argument that Minato used that Hirashin kunai to reach the battlefield is null and void.

(1)He teleported to his kunai in front of naruto, (2)mnato has a seal placed on naruto's stomach too .

1. See above [*]. This point has been proven wrong.
2. You raised an interesting point here. So Minato teleported to Naruto's stomach, but Naruto and the shinobi around didn't notice him. This is pretty interesting. Mind showing me the manga page that states this? I'd love to see it.

So you admitted that shunshin can be interpreted both ways. Thanks for proving me right! =D

Pretty sure I said "In your logic". But why am I arguing with someone who can't read properly. Explains your superior reading skills that made you read the manga and understand it better than anyone else... LOL

WOW, i gave you proof & you brushed it off as IRRELEVANT, you make me facepalm so hard right now. Your rebuttals are to be laughed at as well :sy:

I can't possibly take you seriously if you believe that was 'proof'. Kid, you haven't proven anything up until now. Get that outta your skull.

I never said that it wasnt, I said that teleportation (AKA hiraishin) can be interpreted both ways & you even admitted it yourself, no turning back now

See above points. Space-time and Shunshin are two different things. It's ignorance at its finest if you believe they're the same. And you're foolish if you think I said that or even meant it.

Wrong, prove that tobirama would've known? You have such a terrible assumption based on this, all minto is doing is teleporting, theres no indication that minato used a space/time technique, so saying that tobirama knows what minato's s/t looks like just because he's an s/t user himself is utter bullsh*t for an argument.

Tobirama is not mistaking space-time for Shunshin, not when it was made clear in the manga that the two are different and not the same. One is high-speed movement, and the other is instant teleportation that leaves no trace of the user whatsoever. Tobirama as a space-time user would've known if Minato used space-time or Shunshin.

Opinion, tobi complimented his shunshin compared to his own, if it was a truly impressive "body-flicker" speed, then tobirama would've said your shunshin is better than "ours", referring to everyone's shunshin.

Completely absurd point and has been proven null in the beginning of this post.

The only way that statement would make any sense by your logic is if tobirama had a faster body-flicker than the rest of the hokage. But wait....That doesnt make any sense either because tobirama arrived at the exact same time as hashi/hiruzen. Therefore if tobirama was comparing his shunshin to minato's then he would have to be a fast shunshin user, which he was shown not to be.

I will repeat what I said at the beginning of this post so you can understand.
It makes perfect sense. He thought Minato's Shunshin was better than his, so he compared the two. It would've been rude of him to speak for the others when they could speak for themselves. It's simple, don't know why it's difficult for you to comprehend. And whether his Shunshin is better than the other Hokage or not is yet unknown. I mean, you can't use that panel when they arrived together as proof. We don't know what happened in midway. And after all, Sasuke and Juugo arrived at approximately the same time. You can't use that as proof that Juugo has the same Shunshin level as Sasuke, whose Shunshin was stated in the databook to be 'Godspeed', and several times in the manga for being 'too fast'. Juugo's Shunshin level is nowhere near Sasuke's, yet he arrived at approximately the same time.

Oh I understand crystal clear, but its just your opinion because you cant prove it to be true xd

It's not my opinion, but Kishimoto's as well. I only state what the manga has stated. And I've encountered many who feel like arguing against the manga, so it's quite natural. Anything else?

No he doesnt, thats like assuming that minato knows what rasenshuriken is called just because he created the rasengan...Just because tobirama knows about s/t doesnt mean that he knows about the name "hiraishin" (flying thunder god).

Look at THIS guy, he's actually arguing whether Tobirama knows the name of the technique is 'Hirashin' or not.
I'd love for you to explain the following manga panel, then.

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If that's true, I didn't know Naruto and Sakura and countless shinobi around them were blind not to notice Minato who teleported to Naruto's tummy / near it. It's clear that he reached there using Shunshin; hence Tobirama's statement.

Explain how minato got to his kunai? Nice try but he used FTG to get to that Lol

It makes perfect sense. He thought Minato's Shunshin was better than his, so he compared the two. It would've been rude of him to speak for the others when they could speak for themselves. It's simple, don't know why it's difficult for you to comprehend. And whether his Shunshin is better than the other Hokage or not is yet unknown. I mean, you can't use that panel when they arrived together as proof. We don't know what happened in midway. And after all, Sasuke and Juugo arrived at approximately the same time. You can't use that as proof that Juugo has the same Shunshin level as Sasuke, whose Shunshin was stated in the databook to be 'Godspeed', and several times in the manga for being 'too fast'. Juugo's Shunshin level is nowhere near Sasuke's, yet he arrived at approximately the same time.

No it doesnt, they arrived at the exact same time, minato was miles ahead of them & tobirama knew this, so did hiruzen.
It wouldnt have been rude to state the obvious, tobi would be praising minato's skills, not undermining everybody elses. Now if tobirama said "im slow compared to you" it would make more sense. Because he's putting down his own abilities compared to minato's. All tobi did was praise minato, but if tobirama is the exact same speed as the other hokage then why is he only comparing himself?

Pretty sure I never said this, unless you can show me where.

It was someone else

And way to avoid my questions again. Where was it stated that Hiruzen was praising Minato's Hirashin and not his Shunshin? Last time I checked he praised his speed, but is there anything that proves he meant Hirashin? Nothing that I remember.

Im not avoiding your question, i was turning your logic against you (however it wasnt you so this point is moot on both sides).

Pretty sure I asked you for proof that Tobirama used Hirashin to reach the battlefield, and not for anything less. Unless that was your proof. If so, you don't seem to know what 'proof' is.

a) the other two hokage arrived exactly at the same time as tobirama & right beside him as well
b) tobi doesnt need seals for teleporting as far as we know
c) tobi praised minato's teleporting to his own, I explained that if minato was using regular foot speed then it would make zero sense for tobirama to only compare himself. Its not "rude" Lol.

Manga has shown that Shunshin is different from space-time. Just because a Chuunin made a mistake and couldn't differentiate between the two doesn't mean Tobirama would do the same mistake. It's not like a Hokage's knowledge of space-time and Shunshin can be compared to a Chuunin's anyway.

When did I ever call it a mistake? You think that i said rin made a mistake when that was never the point :sy:

Rin who didnt know what minato's hiraishin is called, referred to it as shunshin. This proves that if someone doesnt know the name of the jutsu in question, then they can refer to it as shunshin. Rin didnt make a "mistake" she called it shunshin.

Shunshin / Body Flicker has never been called 'teleportation' in the manga nor the databook, and I mean it. That translation merely used the term 'teleportation jutsu' to refer to Shunshin / Body Flicker, which is by itself a mistake. Bring up the official/Viz scan and we can talk.

How about you do that my friend

[*]But what you're overlooking is the Minato teleported a huge a$$ Bijuudama before that Hirashin kunai was shown, which means he arrived at the battlefield before that Hirashin kunai was thrown. That fact by itself sh!ts on your argument that Minato used that Hirashin kunai to reach the battlefield.

LOL & the fact that the tbb doesnt explode until after minato arrives sh*ts all over your rebuttal XD

If you go by that timeframe, then you also agree that minato's FTG isnt instant, because it wasnt until he reached the battlefield that the tbb exploded, LOL nice try though .

See [*]. Minato arrived at the battlefield before that Hirashin kunai was even thrown; which means your argument that Minato used that Hirashin kunai to reach the battlefield is null and void.

See above, point has been rebutted

1. See above [*]. This point has been proven wrong.

See above, proven wrong

2. You raised an interesting point here. So Minato teleported to Naruto's stomach, but Naruto and the shinobi around didn't notice him. This is pretty interesting. Mind showing me the manga page that states this? I'd love to see it.

I maye have been off about that & ill admit it, its a bit far fetched for minato to teleport to naruto's stomach, but he teleported to the kunai, this is fact.

Pretty sure I said "In your logic". But why am I arguing with someone who can't read properly. Explains your superior reading skills that made you read the manga and understand it better than anyone else... LOL

lawl, so because i missed the first part of your sentence I cant read properly?? Please explain that to me english professor

I can't possibly take you seriously if you believe that was 'proof'. Kid, you haven't proven anything up until now. Get that outta your skull.

There goes that 'kid' phrase again, do you even know my age? the fact that you call me kid proves that your losing credibility in this argument

See above points. Space-time and Shunshin are two different things. It's ignorance at its finest if you believe they're the same. And you're foolish if you think I said that or even meant it.

Shunshin can be interpreted as teleporting. Rin called minato's hiraishin shunshin, unless you can prove that rin made a genuine mistake & just didnt know the name of the technique then you are wrong.

Tobirama is not mistaking space-time for Shunshin, not when it was made clear in the manga that the two are different and not the same. One is high-speed movement, and the other is instant teleportation that leaves no trace of the user whatsoever. Tobirama as a space-time user would've known if Minato used space-time or Shunshin.

Nope, You cant assume that tobi knows the difference between minato's s/t & shunshin just because he knows s/t himself. FTG & shunshin look almost exactly alike (one is instant & one is near instant) so it can easily be mistaken for shunshin. This isnt even my main argument but you cant prove it wrong either so im just going to go with it Lol.

I will repeat what I said at the beginning of this post so you can understand.
It makes perfect sense. He thought Minato's Shunshin was better than his, so he compared the two. It would've been rude of him to speak for the others when they could speak for themselves.

Wrong, it would've been rude to say that the others were slow compared to him, thereby undermining their abilities. & anyways, why are you even arguing the rudeness of tobirama?? Are you that daft that you dont even remember his personality, or this!?

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Tobi is rude, why do you think he cares what the others think of him for speaking the truth? He did the same with hashi to make him hokage instead of madara....Bad point is bad

It's simple, don't know why it's difficult for you to comprehend. And whether his Shunshin is better than the other Hokage or not is yet unknown. I mean, you can't use that panel when they arrived together as proof.

Yes I can, the hokage arrived at the exact same moment & surrounding tobirama, putting that off as mere coincidence is laughable & ignorant.

We don't know what happened in midway. And after all, Sasuke and Juugo arrived at approximately the same time. You can't use that as proof that Juugo has the same Shunshin level as Sasuke, whose Shunshin was stated in the databook to be 'Godspeed', and several times in the manga for being 'too fast'. Juugo's Shunshin level is nowhere near Sasuke's, yet he arrived at approximately the same time.

Easy rebuttal, minato brought them there

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Note the "tap" on sasuke's shoulder, minato wouldnt tap sasuke for no reason, especially since he did the exact same thing to hiruzen before he got teleported (Next manga page)

It's not my opinion, but Kishimoto's as well. I only state what the manga has stated. And I've encountered many who feel like arguing against the manga, so it's quite natural. Anything else?

Wrong, you state what you want to based on speculation & fallacy, it makes zero sense for minato to do what he did with normal shunshin, yet you seem to think otherwise based on one manga panel that says "shunshin" instead of hiraishin (& for obvious reasons)? LOL please, that is one shaky argument my friend .

Look at THIS guy, he's actually arguing whether Tobirama knows the name of the technique is 'Hirashin' or not.
I'd love for you to explain the following manga panel, then.

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Another easy rebuttal (Im assuming this is the panel with tobirama's hiraishingiri?), does minato know the name of RS? he created rasengan so he must know what rasenshuriken is called going by your logic, right?? =D

 

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It was body flicker...because Body flicker in this world is basically Sonido/Shunpo in Bleach. Except with less cool sound affects.


And not, It can't have been FTG, since there were no kunai on the field prior to the Hokage arriving.

 

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Took a while, but this

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your whole argument falls apart rather badly

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