[Question] The strongest Shinigami after Yamamoto..

[crackpot]

Zaraki never shown his shikai ability no matter how you put it.

Ulquioora only said that to bring ichigo confidence down he said there are three more stronger than me an as I seem hallibel was no where near his level he's the only one with 2 release forms...what ? Barrgan ability worked as soon as it hits its target that's why that one guy had to teleport his arm inside barragan..the only reason he got past ukitake was cuz of wonderweiss..stark is strong but not that strong.

He was suppose to go all out from the start the Quincy did not come there to play around..shunsui only cut him once that's not good..

Unohana is the second strongest...post me a link of Yamamoto saying they past they teachers an Peers in combat?... You saw my link they said Yamamoto stop teaching him for that very same fear...I kno Yamamoto is stronger than zaraki but zaraki true power may be on a hole mother level.

His fighting style is regular he really did not do anything spectacular against stark but a little tricks here an there am his shikai.. byakiya is also a good fighter he cut the ground up so when that Quincy moved it fell threw...he even graves his petals when fighting tsukishima an that was tricky.

When did I say she moved faster than shunsui?..she is a better fighter thoe .. Stark attack speed was nice but any fast soul reaper would have dodge them if need be...

Yamamoto did use his shikai an could not land a hit..the fake juha was like so all I have to do is avoid ur sword this will be easy..but Yamamoto did that spiritual pressure thing an started kicking his ass..

I'm saying the older the stronger because the older you are the more you trained an perfected ur skills...yea he has shown to be a better fighter than a weak zaraki..he's not stronger sorry.

He still used it though and Kubo knows it.

Lol Ulquiorra didnt say that to bring down Ichigos confidence he meant it why would he be placed at number 4? The battles with the primera and Barragan were just to show how much weaker Ichigo was to Shunsui and the other captains. Even with Ulquiorra having 2 release form he didnt consider himself the strongest and we know his personality is that he is emotionless and considers those weaker than him trash so why would he say he is weaker?

And what happens when the Quincy go all out from the start and show all their abilities while Shunsui has shown none? Yeah in the long run Shunsui would have the element of surprise and taken him out. That is how battles are won and that is how Shunsui defeated Stark.

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There he says youre strengths have always been above the rest to both of them.

Byakuyas fighting style is not deceptive like Shunsuis... He is very stationary and just controls petals, Shunsui moves around and utilises his abilities very well creating diversions and distractions and utilising openings unlike other Shinigami who say it is "dishonourable" when there is nothing dishonourable in a fight to the death, If you are gonna win do everything in youre power to do it. Byakuya just stands there in his "safe zone" commanding little blades.

You said Zaraki has better reflexes than Unohana meaning that Unohana would have better reflexes than Shunsui. You say it like anybody could dodge it but not all shinigami have been shown fast. The only ones to be shown with good speed is Soi-fon, Shunsui and Byakuya. Not all are fast. Shunsui so far has been shown to have the best reflexes so far in the manga, with the best dual sword skill being able to switch hands with the same hand strength in both. Shunsui has better feats in reflexes and speed than Zaraki has shown therefore getting more hits in.

And you dont know that Unohana is the better fighter though stop saying it like it is canon. She is a strong sword fighter but that is all we have seen. There is no doubt in my mind that she is strong but not enough to defeat Shunsui based off from what we have seen.

Yama used his Shikai and hit his arm which went straight through his blut vene and injured his arm. And the quincy that he incinerated came up after being hit which means their blut was also strong. They whole bodies were burnt instead of only an arm being burnt.

And Barragan couldnt erode things as quick as anything. That is why when Soi fon and Hachigen trapped him in the barrier and Soi fon used her Bankai he got hurt because he couldnt erode everything fast enough. So if Stark barraged him with 1000 ceros he would eventually get hit and die. Ulquiorra wasnt the strongest hence why he said there were stronger opponents than him it means that he isnt the biggest threat to SS.

It hasnt been stated anywhere that Shinigami get stronger with age. Unohana also hadnt fought for at least 200 years or so (Last war between the Quincies and Shinigami that took place, she may have fought but we dont know) whos to say that her skills hadnt dulled? Sorry but Shingami all have a limit in which their strength and power will stop, that is why Aizen had the hogyoku so that he could get stronger than his body would let him, and break the barrier of Shinigami. In the data books Zaraki has max strength and

Nothing has been shown to make me believe that he is stronger than Shunsui because Zaraki is better at Zanjutsu, there are other facets of fighting which Shunsui is superior in, also while Shunsui has also shown that he is one of the best Sword fighters and well rounded fighters in SS. All the while that Shunsui has mastered Bankai as well as Shikai and his Shikai disregards the opponents power levels depending on the game being said by Shunsui (Iro Oni and Taka oni).

Zaraki stats given by the data book show offense and Physical strength are max which means that he cant get any stronger than he is right now, because it is based on Potential so he has reached his full potential of strength and Physical strength. Yama has shown the most strength and power in bleach as a shinigami Zaraki I dont see doing that but he will prove very important in the next battle because he wont have a bankai they can steal all while being very strong.

 

[Killer24s]

I kno stark was strong but not as strong as he should have been.

He is without a doubt the best overall member of the Espada outside of possibly Baraggan.. What are you smoking?

 

[Killer24s]

He should have looked stronger than what ulqiuorra did..to me ulquiorra seemed the strongest his first release was destroying a hollowfied Ichigo with out a problem an his next release was over kill he showed more speed an power than stark.

Are you seriously comparing Vizard Ichigo to flipping Senior Captains and other Vizards??

 

[Naruto D Luffy]

kenpachi and urahara

 

[ShonenAnimeFreak]

lets see we have:
zaraki
urahara
yorouichi
shunsui
squad zero members

i mostly agree with this but my list would be..

Shunsui, Ukitake, Zaraki (Urahara), Squad Zero Members (These guys are still legit shinigami)

 

[kotoamatsukami]

He still used it though and Kubo knows it.

Lol Ulquiorra didnt say that to bring down Ichigos confidence he meant it why would he be placed at number 4? The battles with the primera and Barragan were just to show how much weaker Ichigo was to Shunsui and the other captains. Even with Ulquiorra having 2 release form he didnt consider himself the strongest and we know his personality is that he is emotionless and considers those weaker than him trash so why would he say he is weaker?

And what happens when the Quincy go all out from the start and show all their abilities while Shunsui has shown none? Yeah in the long run Shunsui would have the element of surprise and taken him out. That is how battles are won and that is how Shunsui defeated Stark.

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There he says youre strengths have always been above the rest to both of them.

Byakuyas fighting style is not deceptive like Shunsuis... He is very stationary and just controls petals, Shunsui moves around and utilises his abilities very well creating diversions and distractions and utilising openings unlike other Shinigami who say it is "dishonourable" when there is nothing dishonourable in a fight to the death, If you are gonna win do everything in youre power to do it. Byakuya just stands there in his "safe zone" commanding little blades.

You said Zaraki has better reflexes than Unohana meaning that Unohana would have better reflexes than Shunsui. You say it like anybody could dodge it but not all shinigami have been shown fast. The only ones to be shown with good speed is Soi-fon, Shunsui and Byakuya. Not all are fast. Shunsui so far has been shown to have the best reflexes so far in the manga, with the best dual sword skill being able to switch hands with the same hand strength in both. Shunsui has better feats in reflexes and speed than Zaraki has shown therefore getting more hits in.

And you dont know that Unohana is the better fighter though stop saying it like it is canon. She is a strong sword fighter but that is all we have seen. There is no doubt in my mind that she is strong but not enough to defeat Shunsui based off from what we have seen.

Yama used his Shikai and hit his arm which went straight through his blut vene and injured his arm. And the quincy that he incinerated came up after being hit which means their blut was also strong. They whole bodies were burnt instead of only an arm being burnt.

And Barragan couldnt erode things as quick as anything. That is why when Soi fon and Hachigen trapped him in the barrier and Soi fon used her Bankai he got hurt because he couldnt erode everything fast enough. So if Stark barraged him with 1000 ceros he would eventually get hit and die. Ulquiorra wasnt the strongest hence why he said there were stronger opponents than him it means that he isnt the biggest threat to SS.

It hasnt been stated anywhere that Shinigami get stronger with age. Unohana also hadnt fought for at least 200 years or so (Last war between the Quincies and Shinigami that took place, she may have fought but we dont know) whos to say that her skills hadnt dulled? Sorry but Shingami all have a limit in which their strength and power will stop, that is why Aizen had the hogyoku so that he could get stronger than his body would let him, and break the barrier of Shinigami. In the data books Zaraki has max strength and

Nothing has been shown to make me believe that he is stronger than Shunsui because Zaraki is better at Zanjutsu, there are other facets of fighting which Shunsui is superior in, also while Shunsui has also shown that he is one of the best Sword fighters and well rounded fighters in SS. All the while that Shunsui has mastered Bankai as well as Shikai and his Shikai disregards the opponents power levels depending on the game being said by Shunsui (Iro Oni and Taka oni).

Zaraki stats given by the data book show offense and Physical strength are max which means that he cant get any stronger than he is right now, because it is based on Potential so he has reached his full potential of strength and Physical strength. Yama has shown the most strength and power in bleach as a shinigami Zaraki I dont see doing that but he will prove very important in the next battle because he wont have a bankai they can steal all while being very strong.

He used shikai but not its ability meaning he did not show it's real power...

Did you hear how he was talking to ichigo he was trying to bring down his confidence...the reason he is number 4 is because aizen don't kno bout his second form if you think he did post me a link?... An we all kno he was stronger than halibel..

Like I said the Quincy did not come there to play..plus they all ready have info on kyoraku so they kno what he can do plus they stopped him from useing bankai so they might as well just go all out..

By above the rest he meant the people that wer in their class level as a soul reaper..an in the next page he says when y'all fight together y'all power is greater than anybody that came befor or after you..so yea like I said they not stronger than unohana

Yea he stands there an goes to work..an even when he's not useing bankai he still a good fighter as we seen when he fought number 6 the FASTEST ESPADA.

Lol yea kyoraku has shown more reflexes than a weak zaraki..we never sen unohana fight until zaraki so if you want to say he has better reflexes than unohana go a head but I don't believe it..she was the best fighter in ss after all.

She knew every sword style she trained kyoraku an invented the art of killing if she was not the best than she was the second best next to Yamamoto..

Yea they wer hit by Yamamoto shikai once an was down while the fake juha took a hit an was still standing ..seems to me he was stronger.

First off she is shooting a missile the makes a huge explosion unlike stark Cero's so they will be easier to stop..the biggest threat was barrgan..ulquioora was second..stark was 3rd or 4th.

Like when kyoraku told stark in a 100 years hitsugiya would be stronger than him I'm saying the longer you been alive the more training you do..it does not disregard a person power level it's just that if you enter his reiatsu you have to play by the rules..

Naw his offence is not max yet he has not even reached his bankai yet so how is it gone be max?..yea he gone be very important next time they meet the Quincy.

 

[crackpot]

He used shikai but not its ability meaning he did not show it's real power...

Did you hear how he was talking to ichigo he was trying to bring down his confidence...the reason he is number 4 is because aizen don't kno bout his second form if you think he did post me a link?... An we all kno he was stronger than halibel..

Like I said the Quincy did not come there to play..plus they all ready have info on kyoraku so they kno what he can do plus they stopped him from useing bankai so they might as well just go all out..

By above the rest he meant the people that wer in their class level as a soul reaper..an in the next page he says when y'all fight together y'all power is greater than anybody that came befor or after you..so yea like I said they not stronger than unohana

Yea he stands there an goes to work..an even when he's not useing bankai he still a good fighter as we seen when he fought number 6 the FASTEST ESPADA.

Lol yea kyoraku has shown more reflexes than a weak zaraki..we never sen unohana fight until zaraki so if you want to say he has better reflexes than unohana go a head but I don't believe it..she was the best fighter in ss after all.

She knew every sword style she trained kyoraku an invented the art of killing if she was not the best than she was the second best next to Yamamoto..

Yea they wer hit by Yamamoto shikai once an was down while the fake juha took a hit an was still standing ..seems to me he was stronger.

First off she is shooting a missile the makes a huge explosion unlike stark Cero's so they will be easier to stop..the biggest threat was barrgan..ulquioora was second..stark was 3rd or 4th.

Like when kyoraku told stark in a 100 years hitsugiya would be stronger than him I'm saying the longer you been alive the more training you do..it does not disregard a person power level it's just that if you enter his reiatsu you have to play by the rules..

Naw his offence is not max yet he has not even reached his bankai yet so how is it gone be max?..yea he gone be very important next time they meet the Quincy.

OMG he can use his ability unconsciously just like Ichigo using Getsuga Tenshou Unconsciously how hard is it too understand.

He is number 4 that is that. Even with Second release he still placed himself as 4th and thought he was weaker than the others. Sorry but that is that. I gave you Barragan weakness he cant age everything at once so with Starks cero metrallata he will get hit and will die. Yes and to hit him the had to make a huge barrier to stop it so it can hit him from all angles. Meaning he could stop all of it. And with Cero mettrallata Stark could fire 1000s at a time. Barragan ages things doesnt stop it but if it comes too fast he cant stop it.

Lool where did you get that 6th is the strongest? Tosen blitzed him and Zommari was the fastest. Grimmjow was just idk he was nothing and Shinji could take him base (with mask of course). Ichigo was strong but nothing to the top tier captains.

All im saying is Unohana hasnt shown anything to say she has better reflexes. Shunsui has shown waaay better feats than her. If she is so strong why would she follow Shunsui as captain commander? She didnt have to because Yama was dead, and he was the one that got her to join.

Shunsui saying Hitsugaya was stronger than him was a mistranslation... Here is the explanation fromRyuutohime1982 from bleachanime.org she is very good at Japanese. Got this from bleachasylum.

"Shunsui was talking tongue in cheek, as he often does. In the Japanese, the line uses so many conditional tense words that it's quite obvious he doesn't mean "yeah, he'll be stronger than me in 100 years." Probably he's being flippant or facetious - or trying to make Stark underestimate him. Either way what Shunsui actually says in the Japanese is a long way from definitely saying Hitsu will be stronger than him in 100 years.

It might even be a play on the common Japanese phrase "hyakunen hayai" which means "100 years too early" or "there isn't a chance of it happening". Of course, if it is...its lost in translation."

There you have it, the translators really messed up on that one. It says that Shunsui doesnt actually mean it.

She didnt invent the art of killing she had mastered all the schools. That doesnt mean she is overall stronger than Shunsui because of the fact that he also has very good ability and skill in other facets.

Zaraki wont reach Bankai the whole reason he is a SWP is because he doesnt have Bankai so the quincy cant steal it. He is important in the next battle but Shunsui has shown much better fighting ability and skill than Zaraki and this was pre timeskip and all of the captains have gotten stronger after the time skip so imagine how strong he is now.

If you enter shunsuis reiatsu and if he uses his techniques Iro Oni and Taka Oni it will disregard your power level. Like taka oni if he attacks you from the top he will always be stronger. And Iro oni even if you have the toughest skin in the world if he calls the right colour and hits you in the right place you will receive maximum damage.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

OMG he can use his ability unconsciously just like Ichigo using Getsuga Tenshou Unconsciously how hard is it too understand.

He is number 4 that is that. Even with Second release he still placed himself as 4th and thought he was weaker than the others. Sorry but that is that. I gave you Barragan weakness he cant age everything at once so with Starks cero metrallata he will get hit and will die. Yes and to hit him the had to make a huge barrier to stop it so it can hit him from all angles. Meaning he could stop all of it. And with Cero mettrallata Stark could fire 1000s at a time. Barragan ages things doesnt stop it but if it comes too fast he cant stop it.

Lool where did you get that 6th is the strongest? Tosen blitzed him and Zommari was the fastest. Grimmjow was just idk he was nothing and Shinji could take him base (with mask of course). Ichigo was strong but nothing to the top tier captains.

All im saying is Unohana hasnt shown anything to say she has better reflexes. Shunsui has shown waaay better feats than her. If she is so strong why would she follow Shunsui as captain commander? She didnt have to because Yama was dead, and he was the one that got her to join.

Shunsui saying Hitsugaya was stronger than him was a mistranslation... Here is the explanation fromRyuutohime1982 from bleachanime.org she is very good at Japanese. Got this from bleachasylum.

"Shunsui was talking tongue in cheek, as he often does. In the Japanese, the line uses so many conditional tense words that it's quite obvious he doesn't mean "yeah, he'll be stronger than me in 100 years." Probably he's being flippant or facetious - or trying to make Stark underestimate him. Either way what Shunsui actually says in the Japanese is a long way from definitely saying Hitsu will be stronger than him in 100 years.

It might even be a play on the common Japanese phrase "hyakunen hayai" which means "100 years too early" or "there isn't a chance of it happening". Of course, if it is...its lost in translation."

There you have it, the translators really messed up on that one. It says that Shunsui doesnt actually mean it.

She didnt invent the art of killing she had mastered all the schools. That doesnt mean she is overall stronger than Shunsui because of the fact that he also has very good ability and skill in other facets.

Zaraki wont reach Bankai the whole reason he is a SWP is because he doesnt have Bankai so the quincy cant steal it. He is important in the next battle but Shunsui has shown much better fighting ability and skill than Zaraki and this was pre timeskip and all of the captains have gotten stronger after the time skip so imagine how strong he is now.

If you enter shunsuis reiatsu and if he uses his techniques Iro Oni and Taka Oni it will disregard your power level. Like taka oni if he attacks you from the top he will always be stronger. And Iro oni even if you have the toughest skin in the world if he calls the right colour and hits you in the right place you will receive maximum damage.

I don't even understand this hole shikai thing anymore don't you have to at least here ur sword speak to you befor you use shikai? An o yea he is not Ichigo so it's not going to happen to him.

He is not weaker than halibel we all kno that cuz if she lost to hitsugiya, so we kno she can't beat ulquiorra enough said.. And no barrgan would stop his cero and its not like all thousand are going to come right at him all at once plus barrgan power can reach out to quite some distance making it even harder for his cero to connect.

You kno who I'm talking about I'm talking bout the guy byakuya fought I meant number7..

Of course she stlll gone follow shisui she knows he's like a son to Yamamoto an she has been there for a 1000 years why would she leave?..

Won't no dam translation mess up kyoraku meant what he said I follow the manga not something that someone could just be making up get outta here with that.

She did invent the art of killing what are you talking about shunsui says so guess I gotta post another link..O yea she is stronger she has way more experience than he does in fighting that's why she so dangerous making her not come out during the Quincy attack was very stupid.

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Zaraki won't reach bankai I beg to differ..shunsui gotten stronger I don't believe that but if he did get stronger than zaraki got stronger as well over the time skip an just got stronger once agin ..yea shunsui has shown better fighting ability than weak zaraki not the one that beat unohana .an yea once again kenpachi is seen as a threat to the Quincy cuz he don't need bankai or shikai to take them out where ass kyoraku needs shikai an bankai to pose a threat lol the Quincy even think kenpachi is stronger.

It don't matter if he attacks from the top all kenpachi has to do is evade or block the attack.his power wont go awayif he enters kyoraku shikai he will still swing with the same force..an like I said once befor zaraki not going to go down from one slash from kyoraku an once its kenpachi turn to call a color it's game over lol kenpachi is used to taking maximum damage anyway.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Are you seriously comparing Vizard Ichigo to flipping Senior Captains and other Vizards??

I can compare ichigo to just about anybody.

 

[Killer24s]

I can compare ichigo to just about anybody.

Vizard Ichigo would get roflstomped by Shunsui lol

 

[crackpot]

I don't even understand this hole shikai thing anymore don't you have to at least here ur sword speak to you befor you use shikai? An o yea he is not Ichigo so it's not going to happen to him.

He is not weaker than halibel we all kno that cuz if she lost to hitsugiya, so we kno she can't beat ulquiorra enough said.. And no barrgan would stop his cero and its not like all thousand are going to come right at him all at once plus barrgan power can reach out to quite some distance making it even harder for his cero to connect.

You kno who I'm talking about I'm talking bout the guy byakuya fought I meant number7..

Of course she stlll gone follow shisui she knows he's like a son to Yamamoto an she has been there for a 1000 years why would she leave?..

Won't no dam translation mess up kyoraku meant what he said I follow the manga not something that someone could just be making up get outta here with that.

She did invent the art of killing what are you talking about shunsui says so guess I gotta post another link..O yea she is stronger she has way more experience than he does in fighting that's why she so dangerous making her not come out during the Quincy attack was very stupid.

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Zaraki won't reach bankai I beg to differ..shunsui gotten stronger I don't believe that but if he did get stronger than zaraki got stronger as well over the time skip an just got stronger once agin ..yea shunsui has shown better fighting ability than weak zaraki not the one that beat unohana .an yea once again kenpachi is seen as a threat to the Quincy cuz he don't need bankai or shikai to take them out where ass kyoraku needs shikai an bankai to pose a threat lol the Quincy even think kenpachi is stronger.

It don't matter if he attacks from the top all kenpachi has to do is evade or block the attack.his power wont go awayif he enters kyoraku shikai he will still swing with the same force..an like I said once befor zaraki not going to go down from one slash from kyoraku an once its kenpachi turn to call a color it's game over lol kenpachi is used to taking maximum damage anyway.

Lol it happens with all Shinigami to be honest if he is in constant Shikai release he is already half way to using his abilities completely. He can use his abilities subconsciously like Ichigo did with Urahara..... you are so ignorant.

You cant say Hallibel is weaker.... Hitsugaya and Hallibels abilities were the worst to fight each other against because they were ineffective against each other. And Hallibel was unaffected by Hitsugayas strongest move she just broke out of it like nothing. She didnt lose to hitsugaya lol she lost to Aizen remember he slashed her down not Hitsugaya.... What manga are you reading? Barragan also doesnt have speed like Stark he just stays there and shoots it out..... and yes Stark will shoot out 1000 ceros and it will eventually hit Barragan.

You said six..... I didnt know who you meant hmm

Check her out if you want. I gave you the site.... If you wanna be ignorant then be so, but that is the truth translators mess up a lot of things in all mangas, and a lot of the times give off wrong meanings which has caused a lot of trouble to readers who dont read Japanese. Ryuuhitume1982 is one of the best translators I have ever seen and she studies all japanese Kanji so I trust her judgment way more than the translators who use google translate.

Perfect example of mistranslation right here.... what you see is different from what I have seen.... This is why I dont trust translators for these manga Shunsui may be saying something completely different from what we are seeing.

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Lol no she wouldnt follow Shunsui because he is like a son.... She is a kenpachi and would only follow someone who is strong enough to follow, That is how people rule they have to have power to keep it.

No I dont remember seeing the Quincy say that Zaraki is stronger than Shunsui just that he is a SWP that he wants to join them. It seems it is all mindset and the people he has chosen are all people who can turn on SS. Aizen already fought against SS, Ichigo is a Quincy so his history may change which side he chooses, and Zaraki is a wildcard and could turn on SS at any moment.

Kubo said all the captains have been training to fight against stronger opponents like Aizen meaning that all the captains have gotten stronger regardless. Meaning if SS is in danger again they can protect it more.

If Zaraki tries to block taka oni he will definitely get overpowered and get hit and hit with stronger attacks. Iro Oni will maim Zaraki and Shunsui will take him down even if it takes time Zaraki will get overpowered. And obviously Zaraki isnt used to taking Maximum damage because he was fodderised by that Quincy and they thought that he would never be able to become a captain again.

Lol obviously Zaraki needs a shikai to pose a threat as well because the twin Quincy called him weak and destroyed him even when named a SWP. And there are still stronger Quincy than the twin so youre argument is void. The Quincy actually said they overestimated Zarakis strength :yeah:

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Lol it happens with all Shinigami to be honest if he is in constant Shikai release he is already half way to using his abilities completely. He can use his abilities subconsciously like Ichigo did with Urahara..... you are so ignorant.

You cant say Hallibel is weaker.... Hitsugaya and Hallibels abilities were the worst to fight each other against because they were ineffective against each other. And Hallibel was unaffected by Hitsugayas strongest move she just broke out of it like nothing. She didnt lose to hitsugaya lol she lost to Aizen remember he slashed her down not Hitsugaya.... What manga are you reading? Barragan also doesnt have speed like Stark he just stays there and shoots it out..... and yes Stark will shoot out 1000 ceros and it will eventually hit Barragan.

You said six..... I didnt know who you meant hmm

Check her out if you want. I gave you the site.... If you wanna be ignorant then be so, but that is the truth translators mess up a lot of things in all mangas, and a lot of the times give off wrong meanings which has caused a lot of trouble to readers who dont read Japanese. Ryuuhitume1982 is one of the best translators I have ever seen and she studies all japanese Kanji so I trust her judgment way more than the translators who use google translate.

Perfect example of mistranslation right here.... what you see is different from what I have seen.... This is why I dont trust translators for these manga Shunsui may be saying something completely different from what we are seeing.

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Lol no she wouldnt follow Shunsui because he is like a son.... She is a kenpachi and would only follow someone who is strong enough to follow, That is how people rule they have to have power to keep it.

No I dont remember seeing the Quincy say that Zaraki is stronger than Shunsui just that he is a SWP that he wants to join them. It seems it is all mindset and the people he has chosen are all people who can turn on SS. Aizen already fought against SS, Ichigo is a Quincy so his history may change which side he chooses, and Zaraki is a wildcard and could turn on SS at any moment.

Kubo said all the captains have been training to fight against stronger opponents like Aizen meaning that all the captains have gotten stronger regardless. Meaning if SS is in danger again they can protect it more.

If Zaraki tries to block taka oni he will definitely get overpowered and get hit and hit with stronger attacks. Iro Oni will maim Zaraki and Shunsui will take him down even if it takes time Zaraki will get overpowered. And obviously Zaraki isnt used to taking Maximum damage because he was fodderised by that Quincy and they thought that he would never be able to become a captain again.

Lol obviously Zaraki needs a shikai to pose a threat as well because the twin Quincy called him weak and destroyed him even when named a SWP. And there are still stronger Quincy than the twin so youre argument is void. The Quincy actually said they overestimated Zarakis strength :yeah:

O trust me if kenpachi ever used an of his shikai power trust me you would kno by going off of his spritural power it's going to be crazy..

Lol just stop now wonderweiess had to come break her out go reread..her ability should not matter she should have been Abel to just out speed an out power him physically with out a problem if she was on ulquiorra level..his cero won't land I'm sorry they don't creat big enough explosions.

Be naive if you want to an believe..yea manga panda had a mistranslation.

She not gone just leave ss you sound real dumb right now an she most likely has lots of respect for kyoraku aswell..an she has become way nicer an kind hearted she not gone just leave when the ss really needs her.

They never said kenpachi was stronger but they kno he poses more of a threat than kyoraku does..an we kno like all of ss knos ichigo not gone turn on ss Quincy should kno that as well.

I kno he said they all been training but when the Quincy showed up it seems that all that went right down the drain.

Zaraki not gone get overpowered he's just gone block the attack..in the color game shunsui will go down first...yea the wuincy beat him an they said he may never be a captain again but what do you kno 6 chapters later he right back on his feet like nothing happened to him lol..

Yea like I've said befor the twin Quincy fought a weak version of him..yea they said they overestimated his strength they wer thinking kenpachi was fighting at his full power when he was not simply put.

 

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O trust me if kenpachi ever used an of his shikai power trust me you would kno by going off of his spritural power it's going to be crazy..

Lol just stop now wonderweiess had to come break her out go reread..her ability should not matter she should have been Abel to just out speed an out power him physically with out a problem if she was on ulquiorra level..his cero won't land I'm sorry they don't creat big enough explosions.

Be naive if you want to an believe..yea manga panda had a mistranslation.

She not gone just leave ss you sound real dumb right now an she most likely has lots of respect for kyoraku aswell..an she has become way nicer an kind hearted she not gone just leave when the ss really needs her.

They never said kenpachi was stronger but they kno he poses more of a threat than kyoraku does..an we kno like all of ss knos ichigo not gone turn on ss Quincy should kno that as well.

I kno he said they all been training but when the Quincy showed up it seems that all that went right down the drain.

Zaraki not gone get overpowered he's just gone block the attack..in the color game shunsui will go down first...yea the wuincy beat him an they said he may never be a captain again but what do you kno 6 chapters later he right back on his feet like nothing happened to him lol..

Yea like I've said befor the twin Quincy fought a weak version of him..yea they said they overestimated his strength they wer thinking kenpachi was fighting at his full power when he was not simply put.

He has used his abilities before.

Ok yeah Wonderweiss broke her out but she was unaffected by Hitsugayas technique proving how strong she was, she was handling herself against Hitsugaya and two visards. Ulquiorra wasnt the strongest and that is that. Starks ceros dont need to have big explosions he has enough attack speed to hit him. Just keep spamming cero metrallata and bam Barragan is gone. he cant stop such a large amount of ceros that quickly.

I didnt realise you were a japanese expert? You are the naive one to believe everything the translators say when they use google translate and dont actually understand the kanji.

Lol I didnt say Unohana was going to leave SS? where did you read that? We actually dont know how much respect she has for Kyoraku she has shown the same respect to everyone. But this is a military organisation... To be a leader you need to have strength to show why you are the leader. She is a kenpachi and she wouldnt follow a weak commander.

That just shows how strong the quincy are.... Imagine if they didnt train.

He can try to block taka oni but he will still get overpowered then proceed to getting cut. Lol you cant say that with everything going against Zaraki (intellect, speed and reactions) Shunsui will win the battle.

They still called him weak and everyone was up and running... Byakuya was really the only one who shouldve died, that was Kubos mistake.

They have seen Kenpachi fight before otherwise how would they have collected their data.... They saw Zaraki fight before but I think they knew he had more strength, they saw him fight before and still called him weak.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

He has used his abilities before.

Ok yeah Wonderweiss broke her out but she was unaffected by Hitsugayas technique proving how strong she was, she was handling herself against Hitsugaya and two visards. Ulquiorra wasnt the strongest and that is that. Starks ceros dont need to have big explosions he has enough attack speed to hit him. Just keep spamming cero metrallata and bam Barragan is gone. he cant stop such a large amount of ceros that quickly.

I didnt realise you were a japanese expert? You are the naive one to believe everything the translators say when they use google translate and dont actually understand the kanji.

Lol I didnt say Unohana was going to leave SS? where did you read that? We actually dont know how much respect she has for Kyoraku she has shown the same respect to everyone. But this is a military organisation... To be a leader you need to have strength to show why you are the leader. She is a kenpachi and she wouldnt follow a weak commander.

That just shows how strong the quincy are.... Imagine if they didnt train.

He can try to block taka oni but he will still get overpowered then proceed to getting cut. Lol you cant say that with everything going against Zaraki (intellect, speed and reactions) Shunsui will win the battle.

They still called him weak and everyone was up and running... Byakuya was really the only one who shouldve died, that was Kubos mistake.

They have seen Kenpachi fight before otherwise how would they have collected their data.... They saw Zaraki fight before but I think they knew he had more strength, they saw him fight before and still called him weak.

Please I mean please link me a page of him useing his shikai ability?..hitsugiya an those two vizards wer weak nothing compared to ulquiorra..an like I said barrgan death breath reaches out quite a distance making it even harder for his cero connect.

Manga simple.

First off you don't kno who she would follow..second an if she stays there she has to follow kyoraku he is the captain commander..i kno kyoraku is strong just not on her level an she has been around him for a very long time an taught him how to fight so why would she not follow him how strong you are don't matter what matters is can you make smart choices.

What you mean imagine if they didn't train it still would have went the same way.

No he won't get cut he will block an evade speed an reaction kenpachi has that to his sword fighting skills improved greatly not gone just attack from the top an cut him wtf.

Yea they called him weak they wer fighting a weak version of him but still him an Yamamoto wer the only ones to take somebody down what did the rest do?..naw hkeeping byakiya alive was for a reason there was no mistake.

Just the name kenpachi let's them kno he's strong..yea they seen him fight befor but the white haired guy still acted scared when he attcked the fake juha..

 

[hawk naruto]

now it ichigo with is hollow power fullbring quicy power and shingami

 

[hawk naruto]

it ichigo with his hollow power quincy shinigami fullbring

 

[crackpot]

Please I mean please link me a page of him useing his shikai ability?..hitsugiya an those two vizards wer weak nothing compared to ulquiorra..an like I said barrgan death breath reaches out quite a distance making it even harder for his cero connect.

Manga simple.

First off you don't kno who she would follow..second an if she stays there she has to follow kyoraku he is the captain commander..i kno kyoraku is strong just not on her level an she has been around him for a very long time an taught him how to fight so why would she not follow him how strong you are don't matter what matters is can you make smart choices.

What you mean imagine if they didn't train it still would have went the same way.

No he won't get cut he will block an evade speed an reaction kenpachi has that to his sword fighting skills improved greatly not gone just attack from the top an cut him wtf.

Yea they called him weak they wer fighting a weak version of him but still him an Yamamoto wer the only ones to take somebody down what did the rest do?..naw hkeeping byakiya alive was for a reason there was no mistake.

Just the name kenpachi let's them kno he's strong..yea they seen him fight befor but the white haired guy still acted scared when he attcked the fake juha..

Hitsugaya and two vizards are strong, they arent weak and yet Hallibel could handle them pretty easy. Barragancan spread out but not against a stronger and larger force. It seems his ability spreads out like a floor meaning it doesnt cover like a wall which he would need to protect against cero metrallata which comes from all directions at different times all with the same speed.

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There is a demon called Gashadokuro. It is huge and is normally heard by large bells when you know it is coming for you... Zaraki has bells. The skull looks very much like the Gashadukuro. This is also shown when he fights against Nnoitra and seem to activate near death when he is near the brink. Kubo uses a lot of mythological demons in bleach like Katen Kyokotsu is also a demon in Japan. This is the image of her:

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Unohana would not follow a weak Captain Commander who is leading an elite organisation. That is the only way leaders keep their positions without being overthrown because they have power to back it up. Unohana didnt teach Shunsui how to fight she may have taught him a few things but not everything. By everything I have seen Shunsui has shown me he has better fighting skill than Unohana using all is abilities, and this was pre timeskip.

Manga translators have messed up a lot of things because the use google translate... They arent actually japanese so dont understand how to read it. Which is why I dont trust everything they say in the manga or in anime if you dont understand you have to send the kanji from the RAW to translate it properly.

The attack from the top will overpower Zaraki because whoever attacks from the top is stronger always.... He will get overpowered then slashed simple logic.

Lol Byakuya was saved because of irritated fan boys and fan girls were sending threatening messages to Kubo to keep him alive.. Then voila alive.

Zaraki fought fodder and Yama is just a powerhouse. When Zaraki fought a strong opponent he got fodderised rushed into it and got destroyed. The Quincy overestimated him thats why Haschwald feared him first but then saw his fighting ability and was unimpressed.

 

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Hitsugaya and two vizards are strong, they arent weak and yet Hallibel could handle them pretty easy. Barragancan spread out but not against a stronger and larger force. It seems his ability spreads out like a floor meaning it doesnt cover like a wall which he would need to protect against cero metrallata which comes from all directions at different times all with the same speed.

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There is a demon called Gashadokuro. It is huge and is normally heard by large bells when you know it is coming for you... Zaraki has bells. The skull looks very much like the Gashadukuro. This is also shown when he fights against Nnoitra and seem to activate near death when he is near the brink. Kubo uses a lot of mythological demons in bleach like Katen Kyokotsu is also a demon in Japan. This is the image of her:

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Unohana would not follow a weak Captain Commander who is leading an elite organisation. That is the only way leaders keep their positions without being overthrown because they have power to back it up. Unohana didnt teach Shunsui how to fight she may have taught him a few things but not everything. By everything I have seen Shunsui has shown me he has better fighting skill than Unohana using all is abilities, and this was pre timeskip.

Manga translators have messed up a lot of things because the use google translate... They arent actually japanese so dont understand how to read it. Which is why I dont trust everything they say in the manga or in anime if you dont understand you have to send the kanji from the RAW to translate it properly.

The attack from the top will overpower Zaraki because whoever attacks from the top is stronger always.... He will get overpowered then slashed simple logic.

Lol Byakuya was saved because of irritated fan boys and fan girls were sending threatening messages to Kubo to keep him alive.. Then voila alive.

Zaraki fought fodder and Yama is just a powerhouse. When Zaraki fought a strong opponent he got fodderised rushed into it and got destroyed. The Quincy overestimated him thats why Haschwald feared him first but then saw his fighting ability and was unimpressed.

The vizards he was fighting with wer not that strong Lisa mabey but not that other girl...stark not getting to barrgan he can try but will fall short just like if he fought ulquiorra,ulqiorria is to fast for stark an to strong an if stark cero hit him he will just regenerate stark not on ichigo full hollowfied level so ulquiorra has nothing to fear.


That's just something that shows up when he lets off spiritual pressure that's just how powerful it is..even it was something to do with his shikai he never used any power from it he just uses his own raw power..an when did ichigo ever use his without knowing?

Lol you just don't get it unohana has changed completely from a thousand years ago an would do anything to help ss out no matter who's the leader...of course it looks like kyoraku fights better you never seen unohana fight anime wise only manga..

**** the manga thing.

He will not slash kenpachi from a simple attack from the top he will evade it or block it..kyoraku better hope he don't put both hands on his sword an use kendo that attack from the top stuff might have worked on stark but it won't go that way with kenpachi stop getting hyped of his fight with stark someone who is not close to kenpachi physical strenght.

Naw he was gone leave byakuya alive from the start its to early in the arc for him to die..at least Yamamoto died someone who's even stronger.

Like I said the one kenpachi fought was on another level if you can just hold out ur arm an block an attack from kenpachi that shows ur on a different level..not even kyoraku has the guts to block kenpachi attack with his arm..an like I said befor kenpachi has gotten a lot stronger sense then while kyoraku still at his same power level witch was useless the first time around but I'll cut him some slack he could not use bankai..

 

[Roy]

According to wiki the three strongest Shinigami excluding Aizen/Ichigo ofcourse are;

1. Yamamoto
2. Unohana
3. Kyoraku

o-o making Unohana the second strongest