[Question] The strongest Shinigami after Yamamoto..

[crackpot]

Wtf did I just read?..I corrected my self she was not the strongest but she was part of the strongest group..kyoraku can have all that kido an stuff (witch he barely use) it will be over powerd kenpachi not gone sit there an get hit by kido.

None of kenpachi opponents has had a weekness ichigo,nnoritra,yammy,unohana..the only one that forced him to think was tosen an he succeeded in beating his ass..kenpachi himself really has no weakness he's super tough an his zanjutsu is close to being perfect an his reflexes are better than usual an he has good instinct plus he's about to gain a shikai lol there is no weakness an he knows that stuff Yamamoto taught him he don't need kido spells...zaraki won't stand a chance please stop making ur self sound stupid how is he not gone slash shunsui when his zanjutsu is the best if any thing kyoraku better hope he can get a slash in.

Kenpachi not relying on his sword ability an still beating strong opponents while kyoraku is useing his sword an still struggling how does that make kenpachi seem weaker explain?he now has a sword to rely on now witch is over kill..central 46 did not try to kill urahara only the vizards they wer turning into hollows might as well just got rid of them that was a smart choice..gai is only skilled in taijutsu while Kakashi has skill in every area an they still see them selves as rivals meaning even (just something I wanted to being up).

What you mean his strength did not increase unohana said it did wtf..and he said his reflexes got better inoreder to have good reflexes you have to be quick even if he can just swing his sword faster he still got faster in a way....manga says it all not me

Im sorry have you seen the way kenpachi fights? Thats all he does he takes hits because he enjoys it. Zaraki may be better in Zanjutsu but he will have to keep up with Shunsuis skill in the other aspects. Youre logic is biased and making you say some things which make no sense. Shunsui has shown better fighting ability than Zaraki and has only fought seriously once. I cant believe I am saying this again but SHUNSUIS SHIKAI IS BASED SOLELY ON HIS GAMES AND HE DIDNT USE ONE OF HIS ABILITIES WHICH MEANT HE FOUGHT THE QUINCY IN BASE AND STILL SHOWED BETTER SKILL. Zaraki only got fodderised by a quincy and you cant say he was the second strongest when he is the first twins brother.

How can opponents not have weaknesses.... Nnoitra was just full of himself thinking he was the toughest then got destroyed, and Unohanas weakness was Kenpachi himself lol she wanted to get killed by him. Yammy is just a big brute who has no skill and just tanked all the damage with raw strength (Much like Zaraki).

Zaraki against someone who actually thinks and looks for weaknesses and flaws is not the ideal opponent for him. Shunsuis abilities give him the edge and Zaraki gaining shikai will make him stronger yes but it wont increase his knowledge and tactics, which Shunsui has shown far more than Zaraki. Im not saying that he will get destroyed by Shunsui I am just saying he wont win. To be a strong shinigami you will need to be strong in all not just one fighting style because when you use those fighting styles together you will be a tough opponent, Zaraki may not think he needs it but it is a very useful skill to have and is very effective. I dont think Zaraki would like it very much at all.

Lets keep things in the bleach-verse please.

Again stop saying that Shunsui used his shikai when in essence he didnt because he didnt use any of his abilities which is what is shikai is, he fought the Quincy with base abilities. Im not saying that Kenpachi is waay weaker but his lack of skill and thinking is what will bring him down. Those components of fighting are important especially in bleach because everyones techniques are so versatile and different and Zaraki fighting against Shunsui will get outblitzed, attacked from all angles while following rules of Shunsuis games.

I meant that his speed has not increased only his sword skill, and I dont think his physical strength would have increased because he was always strong it is just his skill with a sword he has learnt how to use it better meaning he will cause a lot more damage.

C46 are wise but make some stupid decisions, and dont think things through. They try to kill everything that doesnt fit their bill with fire. Them being afraid just means that they dont like someone with a personality like Zarakis and the thought of him turning against them makes them scared but it seems Shunsui isnt very scared at all and because he is a thinker he obviously has the means to take Zaraki out if need be.

You keep bringing up the same points and I state my disagreements yet you still post it in the next post which makes me repeat myself. I dont understand but it seems you are not changing youre judgement much like I am not changing mine. I just hope you dont dismiss what I have said and actually read my posts. I would rather you not reply because this is just getting ridiculous.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Im sorry have you seen the way kenpachi fights? Thats all he does he takes hits because he enjoys it. Zaraki may be better in Zanjutsu but he will have to keep up with Shunsuis skill in the other aspects. Youre logic is biased and making you say some things which make no sense. Shunsui has shown better fighting ability than Zaraki and has only fought seriously once. I cant believe I am saying this again but SHUNSUIS SHIKAI IS BASED SOLELY ON HIS GAMES AND HE DIDNT USE ONE OF HIS ABILITIES WHICH MEANT HE FOUGHT THE QUINCY IN BASE AND STILL SHOWED BETTER SKILL. Zaraki only got fodderised by a quincy and you cant say he was the second strongest when he is the first twins brother.

How can opponents not have weaknesses.... Nnoitra was just full of himself thinking he was the toughest then got destroyed, and Unohanas weakness was Kenpachi himself lol she wanted to get killed by him. Yammy is just a big brute who has no skill and just tanked all the damage with raw strength (Much like Zaraki).

Zaraki against someone who actually thinks and looks for weaknesses and flaws is not the ideal opponent for him. Shunsuis abilities give him the edge and Zaraki gaining shikai will make him stronger yes but it wont increase his knowledge and tactics, which Shunsui has shown far more than Zaraki. Im not saying that he will get destroyed by Shunsui I am just saying he wont win. To be a strong shinigami you will need to be strong in all not just one fighting style because when you use those fighting styles together you will be a tough opponent, Zaraki may not think he needs it but it is a very useful skill to have and is very effective. I dont think Zaraki would like it very much at all.

Lets keep things in the bleach-verse please.

Again stop saying that Shunsui used his shikai when in essence he didnt because he didnt use any of his abilities which is what is shikai is, he fought the Quincy with base abilities. Im not saying that Kenpachi is waay weaker but his lack of skill and thinking is what will bring him down. Those components of fighting are important especially in bleach because everyones techniques are so versatile and different and Zaraki fighting against Shunsui will get outblitzed, attacked from all angles while following rules of Shunsuis games.

I meant that his speed has not increased only his sword skill, and I dont think his physical strength would have increased because he was always strong it is just his skill with a sword he has learnt how to use it better meaning he will cause a lot more damage.

C46 are wise but make some stupid decisions, and dont think things through. They try to kill everything that doesnt fit their bill with fire. Them being afraid just means that they dont like someone with a personality like Zarakis and the thought of him turning against them makes them scared but it seems Shunsui isnt very scared at all and because he is a thinker he obviously has the means to take Zaraki out if need be.

You keep bringing up the same points and I state my disagreements yet you still post it in the next post which makes me repeat myself. I dont understand but it seems you are not changing youre judgement much like I am not changing mine. I just hope you dont dismiss what I have said and actually read my posts. I would rather you not reply because this is just getting ridiculous.

First of kenpachi does not just get hit he defends himself if he gets hit he gets hit he's tough so he does not care...an kyoraku abilities really don't work fighting against a long ranged opponent like when stark was fireing his pistols..yea juha brother was the second strongest like I said Yamamoto had to go bankai inorder to fight him that days something about his strength.

Nnorita like I said did not really have a clear weakness..unohana did not have a clear weakness...yammy no clear weakness..see what I'm saying he's never really had to think while fighting any opponent none of them have tricky tecs..he thought while fighting tosen an cane up with a plan an won..so you don't kno what kenpachi would be like if he fought kyoraku.

What is zaraki weakness? If he does fight some one who thinks in battle they better use a long rang attack to win cuz trying to cut him right now kinda seems impossible even if you use crazy abilities he prepared for that..an we don't kno what his shikai ability will be so don't act like you do might be something hax an going off his reissue its going to be stupid nobody lets off spiritual pressure like zaraki besides Yamamoto..

I used naruto because you said someone with skill in everything is better than someone with skill in one thing in just proving a point...an tosen was skilled an look how things ended for him.

Like I said befor his shikai really not to good for long ranged opponents..zaraki get outblitzed lol the person with the best zanjutsu yea ok..ima leave that alone.

Naw his strength increased unohana said he got weaker..she also said when he fought ichigo an nnoritra he brought his power down to there level with out even knowing it.

If soifon turned on ss central 46 would be like what ever she's no threat...but kenpachi on the other hand is a different story even Yamamoto even feared his power smh Yamamoto don't fear nothing so that's crazy...an of course kyoraku not gone show fear he came up with the idea..an like I said he has no choice but to put kenpachi threw this training.

We both keep bringing up the same points..I'm not dismissing what ur saying it just don't sound right ..why would kyoraku kill off his best healer for kenpachi true power if its not even stronger than his own when he did absolutely nothing when the Quincy attacked?..an trust me zaraki shikai will be something over powering we can tell just by going off his reiatsu an the fact that he beat someone who has been a captain for over a thousand years now..I see why Yamamoto fears his power it's scary.

 

[crackpot]

First of kenpachi does not just get hit he defends himself if he gets hit he gets hit he's tough so he does not care...an kyoraku abilities really don't work fighting against a long ranged opponent like when stark was fireing his pistols..yea juha brother was the second strongest like I said Yamamoto had to go bankai inorder to fight him that days something about his strength.

Nnorita like I said did not really have a clear weakness..unohana did not have a clear weakness...yammy no clear weakness..see what I'm saying he's never really had to think while fighting any opponent none of them have tricky tecs..he thought while fighting tosen an cane up with a plan an won..so you don't kno what kenpachi would be like if he fought kyoraku.

What is zaraki weakness? If he does fight some one who thinks in battle they better use a long rang attack to win cuz trying to cut him right now kinda seems impossible even if you use crazy abilities he prepared for that..an we don't kno what his shikai ability will be so don't act like you do might be something hax an going off his reissue its going to be stupid nobody lets off spiritual pressure like zaraki besides Yamamoto..

I used naruto because you said someone with skill in everything is better than someone with skill in one thing in just proving a point...an tosen was skilled an look how things ended for him.

Like I said befor his shikai really not to good for long ranged opponents..zaraki get outblitzed lol the person with the best zanjutsu yea ok..ima leave that alone.

Naw his strength increased unohana said he got weaker..she also said when he fought ichigo an nnoritra he brought his power down to there level with out even knowing it.

If soifon turned on ss central 46 would be like what ever she's no threat...but kenpachi on the other hand is a different story even Yamamoto even feared his power smh Yamamoto don't fear nothing so that's crazy...an of course kyoraku not gone show fear he came up with the idea..an like I said he has no choice but to put kenpachi threw this training.

We both keep bringing up the same points..I'm not dismissing what ur saying it just don't sound right ..why would kyoraku kill off his best healer for kenpachi true power if its not even stronger than his own when he did absolutely nothing when the Quincy attacked?..an trust me zaraki shikai will be something over powering we can tell just by going off his reiatsu an the fact that he beat someone who has been a captain for over a thousand years now..I see why Yamamoto fears his power it's scary.

Yes getting hit by Shunsuis shikai is a bad idea that is what I am saying he will get hit while not dealing damage to Shunsui because he will be coming in and out. And if Shunsui hits him with Iro Oni it will be over, because with Iro Oni you can have the strongest skin in the world but depending on the clothes you wear you will take massive damage.

I just stated all of their weaknesses it was arrogance and with Unohana she didnt want to kill him so no matter what she wasnt gonna kill him.

Zarakis weakness is being a beserker and tanking hits and being stationary. Shunsui is manueverable and swoops in and out of attacks he wont need long range attacks because of his deceptive fighting style, he will be tricking Zaraki left right and centre creating constant diversions opening Zaraki up like a book.

Cutting Zaraki is not impossible Ichigo could do it so could Shunsui, you are really putting him up on a tier on which he doesnt really belong, you are putting him on the level of Yamamoto who had stronger reiatsu while he could use Shunpo, Kido and hakuda ALL to a high level, that is why he was the strongest shinigami.

Zanjutsu and shunpo have nothing to do with each other that is why he will get blitzed.

Kyoraku is simpy adding firepower into his arsenal by training Zaraki, It is because the quincy fear him because of the fact he doesnt need bankai, which is something to behold. And Unohana isnt the best healer... Tenjiro is and Shunsui has access to an even better healer Orihime she is the best you can get. Shunsuis fighting style is analytical which is why he didnt go head first into the fight with the Quincy because of the fact that he doesnt under-estimate them. It may take time but with time he can figure out a way to circumvent their abilities and defeat them, just like he did with Stark. It is not Shunsuis style but rushing head in is very much Zarakis style like how he rushed straight in when fighting the twin brother, rushed in and got fodderised. Shunsui has a calm and flexible fighting style which usually only the strongest fighters have.

I dont think Yama was scared but it would be dangerous to give someone with a personality like Zarakis a lot of strength because of how easily it could turn against SS. It would do way more bad than good. The only scared ones are C46 because they are cowards who have too much power.

And the twin brother wasnt Juhas brother.... I dont know where you got that from but Yama went Bankai because he thought it was the real Juha Bach it wasnt because he had shown he was a strong fighter. He thought he was fighting the real one and he obviously had to use it before and he knows Juha Bachs strength. The thing is he used it on the wrong person, so therefore causing overkill to the twin.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Yes getting hit by Shunsuis shikai is a bad idea that is what I am saying he will get hit while not dealing damage to Shunsui because he will be coming in and out. And if Shunsui hits him with Iro Oni it will be over, because with Iro Oni you can have the strongest skin in the world but depending on the clothes you wear you will take massive damage.

I just stated all of their weaknesses it was arrogance and with Unohana she didnt want to kill him so no matter what she wasnt gonna kill him.

Zarakis weakness is being a beserker and tanking hits and being stationary. Shunsui is manueverable and swoops in and out of attacks he wont need long range attacks because of his deceptive fighting style, he will be tricking Zaraki left right and centre creating constant diversions opening Zaraki up like a book.

Cutting Zaraki is not impossible Ichigo could do it so could Shunsui, you are really putting him up on a tier on which he doesnt really belong, you are putting him on the level of Yamamoto who had stronger reiatsu while he could use Shunpo, Kido and hakuda ALL to a high level, that is why he was the strongest shinigami.

Zanjutsu and shunpo have nothing to do with each other that is why he will get blitzed.

Kyoraku is simpy adding firepower into his arsenal by training Zaraki, It is because the quincy fear him because of the fact he doesnt need bankai, which is something to behold. And Unohana isnt the best healer... Tenjiro is and Shunsui has access to an even better healer Orihime she is the best you can get. Shunsuis fighting style is analytical which is why he didnt go head first into the fight with the Quincy because of the fact that he doesnt under-estimate them. It may take time but with time he can figure out a way to circumvent their abilities and defeat them, just like he did with Stark. It is not Shunsuis style but rushing head in is very much Zarakis style like how he rushed straight in when fighting the twin brother, rushed in and got fodderised. Shunsui has a calm and flexible fighting style which usually only the strongest fighters have.

I dont think Yama was scared but it would be dangerous to give someone with a personality like Zarakis a lot of strength because of how easily it could turn against SS. It would do way more bad than good. The only scared ones are C46 because they are cowards who have too much power.

And the twin brother wasnt Juhas brother.... I dont know where you got that from but Yama went Bankai because he thought it was the real Juha Bach it wasnt because he had shown he was a strong fighter. He thought he was fighting the real one and he obviously had to use it before and he knows Juha Bachs strength. The thing is he used it on the wrong person, so therefore causing overkill to the twin.

I wonder where you get the idea that he would hit kenpachi in the first place.if kyoraku hits him he will most likely react and cut kyoraku aswell..zaraki skin is not tough it's just that it does not matter to him if he gets cut it can be a big or little cut he will be standing you just don't one cut kill kenpachi like I said befor just because stark went down don't mean kenpachi will go down.

Lol you did not state any real weakness like I said...kyoraku can swoop in an out if he wants to not gone mean much when fighting the best sword fight that has good reflexes an instinct..unohana was the best fighter not kyoraku so how all of a sudden kyoraku become a better fighter?

I kno cutting zaraki is not impossible wtf yea uchiha cut him in part one not the zaraki right now an like I said befor he lowered his power down to Ichigo level anyway..an Yamamoto was the strongest because of his sword not because of none of that other stuff..I'm putting zaraki on a level that he belongs on this is the moment everybody been waiting for he's not on Yamamoto level yet but once he gets bankai he will most likely be an if not he will be very close.

Kyoraku is not just going to blitz zaraki an start beating his ass lol kenpachi is a captain he can follow a captains speed ur not just going to blitz him an win please stop talking stupid he's to good of a fighter he does not leave any openings as stated by unohana..an I believe unohana is fast an she lost to him.

Yea why would the Quincy fear him an not kyoraku? If kyoraku is as great as you say he is then why don't they fear him it don't make sense?...exactly he don't need bankai to defeat a Quincy while kyoraku does that alone tells you who Is stronger...tenjiro is not part of ss you never kno when he will show up anyway, unohana was ss best healer oriheme is better I guess..shunsui was taking his sweet time he did not land a single hit did he?...stark had him beat tille he switch to thoes wolves...an yea kenpachi got beat that's cuz he fought a weak version of kenpachi an not the real thing...an a lot of captions have a calm an relax style.

If Yamamoto was not scared of his power he would have kept training him...an central 46 would have not said he feared his power if he didn't

An yea my fault he was not juha brother I was mistaken I have not read that chapter in awhile..any way he was able to dodge Yamamoto that alone is amazing when Yamamoto just took out three top Quincy with his shikai but could not lay a hand on the fake juha guy..that tells me he was the strongest out there at the time or second depending on how strong the white haired guy is..

Anyway like I said before zaraki will be super strong everyone has been waiting for this moment.

 

[Floydical]

The 8th squad captain always seemed to be rank 2 in my mind, not counting Aizen. I'd say him but that's not counting the Zero Division. Those shinigami all seem to be of captain commander rank, so its hard to say considering. But since we have not seen the 8th captain's bankai either, I'd say its safe to say he's #2 not counting Ichigo, Aizen or the zero squad.

 

[crackpot]

I wonder where you get the idea that he would hit kenpachi in the first place.if kyoraku hits him he will most likely react and cut kyoraku aswell..zaraki skin is not tough it's just that it does not matter to him if he gets cut it can be a big or little cut he will be standing you just don't one cut kill kenpachi like I said befor just because stark went down don't mean kenpachi will go down.

Lol you did not state any real weakness like I said...kyoraku can swoop in an out if he wants to not gone mean much when fighting the best sword fight that has good reflexes an instinct..unohana was the best fighter not kyoraku so how all of a sudden kyoraku become a better fighter?

I kno cutting zaraki is not impossible wtf yea uchiha cut him in part one not the zaraki right now an like I said befor he lowered his power down to Ichigo level anyway..an Yamamoto was the strongest because of his sword not because of none of that other stuff..I'm putting zaraki on a level that he belongs on this is the moment everybody been waiting for he's not on Yamamoto level yet but once he gets bankai he will most likely be an if not he will be very close.

Kyoraku is not just going to blitz zaraki an start beating his ass lol kenpachi is a captain he can follow a captains speed ur not just going to blitz him an win please stop talking stupid he's to good of a fighter he does not leave any openings as stated by unohana..an I believe unohana is fast an she lost to him.

Yea why would the Quincy fear him an not kyoraku? If kyoraku is as great as you say he is then why don't they fear him it don't make sense?...exactly he don't need bankai to defeat a Quincy while kyoraku does that alone tells you who Is stronger...tenjiro is not part of ss you never kno when he will show up anyway, unohana was ss best healer oriheme is better I guess..shunsui was taking his sweet time he did not land a single hit did he?...stark had him beat tille he switch to thoes wolves...an yea kenpachi got beat that's cuz he fought a weak version of kenpachi an not the real thing...an a lot of captions have a calm an relax style.

If Yamamoto was not scared of his power he would have kept training him...an central 46 would have not said he feared his power if he didn't

An yea my fault he was not juha brother I was mistaken I have not read that chapter in awhile..any way he was able to dodge Yamamoto that alone is amazing when Yamamoto just took out three top Quincy with his shikai but could not lay a hand on the fake juha guy..that tells me he was the strongest out there at the time or second depending on how strong the white haired guy is..

Anyway like I said before zaraki will be super strong everyone has been waiting for this moment.

Iro Oni will kill Zaraki because it is hax simple as that Zarakis hack and slash wont be able to catch Shunsuis speed and abilities, when Shunsui uses those abilities together he is a force to be reckoned with and is certain death. Zaraki may have good reactions but Shunsui uses unorthodox methods as his fighting style and is completely opposite to Zaraki who is the hit and slash guy.

Shunsui speed has been praised by Yamamoto himself for travelling long distances at short times.... That and keeping up with the primera is a way better speed feat than whatever Zaraki has donw and to be honest he doesnt really have any. Zaraki will fall prey to Katen Kyokotsu it is that simple. Speed is very effective in fighting and Shunsui has 2 swords he Zaraki will find it hard to stop 2 swords coming in at the same time in different areas.

Who ever said Unohana was the strongest after Yama? We dont know how her power scales with everyone elses? You cant say she was the strongest after Yama died because you cant base it off anything. And when she said she was the strongest she meant in Zanjutsu not the strongest Shinigami. And those things about Unohana, Nnoitra and Yammy are all weaknesses because it was because of those things they lost. Weaknesses dont have to be physical they can be mental like Ikkaku not wanting to use bankai and willing to lose a fight in which a lot is at stake because of pride, that is a weakness.

The Quincy obviously find Kyoraku a threat because did you see how that OMQ fought against him, they know he is a dangerous fighter so he tried to take him off guard and failed and had to resort to Vollstandig just to get a hit in. That is what I call cautious action against a strong opponent. And I used the wrong word, Yama isnt scared of him but are wary of his power. And Shunsui did land a hit in and a big one too when Yama came onto the field he said he shouldnt be having such a hard time with such "weak" opponents then blitzed OMQ and slashed him up really good all this done while he was half blind. And did you see what I quoted? Shunsui said the OMQ was weak meaning he is stronger than him. Shunsui also blitzed him effortlessly and that is when the OMQ showed fear.

C46 didnt say Yama feared his power he said it was too dangerous big difference in words.

Did Yama not lay a finger on the twin? I think you are sorely mistaken he absolutely annihilated him with his Bankai did you miss that whole fight? He was complete fodder against Yama and didnt lay any damage against him. I cant believe you think that Yama couldnt lay a finger on him.

And I dont remember seeing Unohana say that Zaraki doesnt leave any openings can you post me a link please I would like to know youre sources because it sounds like youre making stuff up again.

The only captains that have a relaxed style while fighting is Shunsui and ..... Actually only Shunsui he doesnt get angry or enraged at all like the other captains.

 

[Killer24s]

My fault I read it wrong he said she was part of the original gotei 13 witch was the strongest...An he said this on ch.523 pg20..who has she fought she fought zaraki an was no match for his true power..kenpachi right now is on a hole new level you just don't get it the first kenpachi who knew every fighting style an flow an invented the art of killing could not even beat him when he was a kid..an she has been captain over a thousand years an she still lost to him an he did not even have shikai or bankai..

Starks reflexes are above zaraki's lol please stop yea they wer better befor he went threw his training..as his training kept going his reflexes kept getting better as he said on ch.525 pg12..an when he fought unohana as a kid he left her no openings at all really..if she had a hard time cutting him what makes you think kyoraku can land a clean hit?

Every time I see kyoraku fighting an opponent he always taking forever while kenpachi beating his opponent ass...kyoraku had to get help from ukitake smh while kenpachi beating Yammy down I'm like HURRY UP KYORAKU he lucky stark got rid of his cero guns smh...kyoraku fighting the Quincy taking forever to win while kenpachi slaying Quincy back to back I'm like HURRY UP KUORAKU..

Yea that makes kenpachi stronger he never relies on his sword abilities..let me see kyoraku take someone down without useing shikai I'm not talking chad ether...all of kenpachi opponents are lucky he did not have a shikai to use dam they should be happy they did not even go against his real true power cuz he would have beat them a lot quicker..an no kenpachi potential is 2nd greatest every one has been waiting for this moment.why you think central 46 was so scared? Why do you think Yamamoto trained him for one day cuz of fear he would get to strong? Huh it's because he is a monster.

Exactly, please do not state fan-bias material without evidence again, ok? As I said in my last post just because a > b and b > c possibly does not mean a > c, ok? Kenpachi Zaraki's sword is always in it's released shika state! Smh..

Please link me to where Kenpachi has shown this amazing reflexes of his, lol! Kenpachi had help from Byakuya, plus once again he fought a strong yet idiotic fighter (which best suits him best) while Kenpachi fought one f the smartest members of the Espada and the strongest in my opinion..

You sound like a fanboy.. Kenpachi has the potential to be the best, but as of right now he doesn't have it (mastered Shikai, Bankai) so Kyoraku > Kenpachi

 

[jiraiya lives]

strongest

1. Shinsui
2. kenpachi
3. ukitake

I feel as though these 3 are slightly above the others

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Iro Oni will kill Zaraki because it is hax simple as that Zarakis hack and slash wont be able to catch Shunsuis speed and abilities, when Shunsui uses those abilities together he is a force to be reckoned with and is certain death. Zaraki may have good reactions but Shunsui uses unorthodox methods as his fighting style and is completely opposite to Zaraki who is the hit and slash guy.

Shunsui speed has been praised by Yamamoto himself for travelling long distances at short times.... That and keeping up with the primera is a way better speed feat than whatever Zaraki has donw and to be honest he doesnt really have any. Zaraki will fall prey to Katen Kyokotsu it is that simple. Speed is very effective in fighting and Shunsui has 2 swords he Zaraki will find it hard to stop 2 swords coming in at the same time in different areas.

Who ever said Unohana was the strongest after Yama? We dont know how her power scales with everyone elses? You cant say she was the strongest after Yama died because you cant base it off anything. And when she said she was the strongest she meant in Zanjutsu not the strongest Shinigami. And those things about Unohana, Nnoitra and Yammy are all weaknesses because it was because of those things they lost. Weaknesses dont have to be physical they can be mental like Ikkaku not wanting to use bankai and willing to lose a fight in which a lot is at stake because of pride, that is a weakness.

The Quincy obviously find Kyoraku a threat because did you see how that OMQ fought against him, they know he is a dangerous fighter so he tried to take him off guard and failed and had to resort to Vollstandig just to get a hit in. That is what I call cautious action against a strong opponent. And I used the wrong word, Yama isnt scared of him but are wary of his power. And Shunsui did land a hit in and a big one too when Yama came onto the field he said he shouldnt be having such a hard time with such "weak" opponents then blitzed OMQ and slashed him up really good all this done while he was half blind. And did you see what I quoted? Shunsui said the OMQ was weak meaning he is stronger than him. Shunsui also blitzed him effortlessly and that is when the OMQ showed fear.

C46 didnt say Yama feared his power he said it was too dangerous big difference in words.

Did Yama not lay a finger on the twin? I think you are sorely mistaken he absolutely annihilated him with his Bankai did you miss that whole fight? He was complete fodder against Yama and didnt lay any damage against him. I cant believe you think that Yama couldnt lay a finger on him.

And I dont remember seeing Unohana say that Zaraki doesnt leave any openings can you post me a link please I would like to know youre sources because it sounds like youre making stuff up again.

The only captains that have a relaxed style while fighting is Shunsui and ..... Actually only Shunsui he doesnt get angry or enraged at all like the other captains.

I said it 72 times an ill say it again zaraki is not stark don't think zaraki will go down that easy..it's not hack an slash its "the art of killing" an it will be very deadly to kyoraku..an ill tell you this again his speed will mean nothing, unorthodox methods stop hyping things up won't nothing inprpessive about his sword fight with stark..kenpachi sword skils are whats unorthodox.

Ok he praised shunsui speed but he feared zaraki power..naw kyoraku gone fall prey to zaraki power...an kenpachi all ready took out six swords coming at once who cares for two.

In ss unohana was the strongest after Yamamoto she has been captain for over 1000 years usually the older you are the stronger you are unless ur special like aizen or zaraki...why you think everyone acted so scared when ever she got serious?
An yea they have no clear weakness there only weakness was being weaker than there opponent.

Naw kyoraku would have been a war potential if he was really more of a threat then kenpachi..I don't kno why kyoraku called him weak he show ain't back his words up an you talk as if kyoraku opponent was the only one to use his vollstanding or something..

Naw they said he feared his power..

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What lol? I said he could not lay a finger on him in his shikai mode an that alone shows how strong that Quincy was Yamamoto shikai is way greater than the average shikai.

I'll link it ..she said she was no match for him ill link that to.

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An byakuya stays relax as well..he may get surprised by his opponent but who don't?

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Exactly, please do not state fan-bias material without evidence again, ok? As I said in my last post just because a > b and b > c possibly does not mean a > c, ok? Kenpachi Zaraki's sword is always in it's released shika state! Smh..

Please link me to where Kenpachi has shown this amazing reflexes of his, lol! Kenpachi had help from Byakuya, plus once again he fought a strong yet idiotic fighter (which best suits him best) while Kenpachi fought one f the smartest members of the Espada and the strongest in my opinion..

You sound like a fanboy.. Kenpachi has the potential to be the best, but as of right now he doesn't have it (mastered Shikai, Bankai) so Kyoraku > Kenpachi

ok his sword is in shikai state so? he cant use its power thoe

he says 'before I was just reacting to her sword but now I move on reflex' as said here

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stark was not the strongest he was weaker than barrgan,ulqiorria an yammy...yea he fought along side byakuya but he was tossing yammy around did you not see? and kyoraku had help from ukitake, stark made a big mistake using those wolves on kyoraku he should have switch back to his cero guns.

yea hes the best in ss right now but zero squad over all..i also think shinji is stronger than kyoraku his shikai ability is more hax than kyoraku's is he has a better chance at beating kenpachi than kyoraku does going by what I seen so far.

 

[Killer24s]

ok his sword is in shikai state so? he cant use its power thoe

he says 'before I was just reacting to her sword but now I move on reflex' as said here

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stark was not the strongest he was weaker than barrgan,ulqiorria an yammy...yea he fought along side byakuya but he was tossing yammy around did you not see? and kyoraku had help from ukitake, stark made a big mistake using those wolves on kyoraku he should have switch back to his cero guns.

yea hes the best in ss right now but zero squad over all..i also think shinji is stronger than kyoraku his shikai ability is more hax than kyoraku's is he has a better chance at beating kenpachi than kyoraku does going by what I seen so far.

Silly boy, regardless of whether or not he can use his Zanpakuto's abilities it's still released as oppose to the former..

Lol no it doesn't, plus you're basing his "great reflexes" off his fight with Unohana who isn't in the speed department of Shunsui, Starrk? Please, stop embarrassing yourself. What do you base strength off? Starrk faced the two strongest members of the Gotei 13 and 2 above Captain-level oppoents.. He is above all of them overall..

Shinji is a Vizard he does not count..

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Silly boy, regardless of whether or not he can use his Zanpakuto's abilities it's still released as oppose to the former..

Lol no it doesn't, plus you're basing his "great reflexes" off his fight with Unohana who isn't in the speed department of Shunsui, Starrk? Please, stop embarrassing yourself. What do you base strength off? Starrk faced the two strongest members of the Gotei 13 and 2 above Captain-level oppoents.. He is above all of them overall..

Shinji is a Vizard he does not count..

It does matter if he can use its ability u sound stupid.

Unohana not in the speed department of shunsui an stark please show proof of that? Stark faced the two third strongest members of ss unohana is second she has been captain for over a 1000 years kyoraku an ukitake have not been captain for even close to that long. She is part of the strongest gotei 13..stark is weak don't bring his name up no more he just faced all shikai's no one used bankai on him an the only reason he beat kyoraku an ukitake was because of wonderweiss help don't forget that.

 

[Killer24s]

It does matter if he can use its ability u sound stupid.

Unohana not in the speed department of shunsui an stark please show proof of that? Stark faced the two third strongest members of ss unohana is second she has been captain for over a 1000 years kyoraku an ukitake have not been captain for even close to that long. She is part of the strongest gotei 13..stark is weak don't bring his name up no more he just faced all shikai's no one used bankai on him an the only reason he beat kyoraku an ukitake was because of wonderweiss help don't forget that.

And what is his it's ability? Since we do not know we are only assuming which is completely irrelevant right? Based off of what we know his sword is inferior to Shunsui's and it's not even close

I stopped reading the rest after you called Starrk weak.. Please go reread the manga and come back okay lol.

 

[crackpot]

I said it 72 times an ill say it again zaraki is not stark don't think zaraki will go down that easy..it's not hack an slash its "the art of killing" an it will be very deadly to kyoraku..an ill tell you this again his speed will mean nothing, unorthodox methods stop hyping things up won't nothing inprpessive about his sword fight with stark..kenpachi sword skils are whats unorthodox.

Ok he praised shunsui speed but he feared zaraki power..naw kyoraku gone fall prey to zaraki power...an kenpachi all ready took out six swords coming at once who cares for two.

In ss unohana was the strongest after Yamamoto she has been captain for over 1000 years usually the older you are the stronger you are unless ur special like aizen or zaraki...why you think everyone acted so scared when ever she got serious?
An yea they have no clear weakness there only weakness was being weaker than there opponent.

Naw kyoraku would have been a war potential if he was really more of a threat then kenpachi..I don't kno why kyoraku called him weak he show ain't back his words up an you talk as if kyoraku opponent was the only one to use his vollstanding or something..

Naw they said he feared his power..

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What lol? I said he could not lay a finger on him in his shikai mode an that alone shows how strong that Quincy was Yamamoto shikai is way greater than the average shikai.

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An byakuya stays relax as well..he may get surprised by his opponent but who don't?

ok his sword is in shikai state so? he cant use its power thoe

he says 'before I was just reacting to her sword but now I move on reflex' as said here

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stark was not the strongest he was weaker than barrgan,ulqiorria an yammy...yea he fought along side byakuya but he was tossing yammy around did you not see? and kyoraku had help from ukitake, stark made a big mistake using those wolves on kyoraku he should have switch back to his cero guns.

yea hes the best in ss right now but zero squad over all..i also think shinji is stronger than kyoraku his shikai ability is more hax than kyoraku's is he has a better chance at beating kenpachi than kyoraku does going by what I seen so far.

Zaraki can use his power the same way Ichigo could use getsuga tenshou unconsciously, without knowing how to do it.

Stark was the strongest and Ulquiorra even said there were stronger espada than him so that takes him out of the equation. Yammy had raw strength but that was it. Barragan had hax yes but it he can only erode so much... not if all if it comes at him quickly then he gets hit. If Stark used cero metrallata against Barragan and spam his wolves he wouldnt be able to age all of the ceros and would definitely get hit. Ukitake and the others didnt really do anything against Stark.... Shunsui was the only one that did damage and fought Stark properly. Stark fell prey to Shunsuis sword fighting prowess.

When Shunsui fought the OMQ he had shown why he was stronger and the OMQ knew it which is why he had to go all out at the start while Shunsui didnt even use one of his abilities. A threat is a threat and OMQ took no chances and when Shunsui got a little pumped it only took him a few seconds to get past the Quincies defences and cut him up. And yes OMQ was the only sternritter to use Vollstandig.... The only other quincy that used it was a captain and that was Kirge who isnt even a Sternritter.

Unohana is a skilled swordfighter yes but that is no indication to think that she is the second strongest after Yama. Yama has said that both Shunsui and Ukitake have both surpassed their peers and teachers in combat..... Unohana taught Shunsui and Ukitake because they both call her Senpai in TBTP arc. Shunsui didnt show real fear it is not like he is scared to the bone of her, he just feared her reputation because of the fact that she is crazy lol . C46 said that they were scared not Yama and Yama is scared for the wellbeing of SS because of the danger Zaraki poses not scared of his actual power, that is what I meant his personality could turn on SS at any moment, which Yama didnt want. Plus there is no way Yama is weaker than Zaraki anyway there has been no stronger Shinigami born in the past 1000 years that could fight against him.

And Shunsuis fighting style is unorthodox... How many shinigami fight like Shunsui? None he is a fighter unlike any other we have seen in SS. Unless you can name some for me that would be nice.

Those scans just show me that Zaraki has better speed than Unohana and you cant say she has better reflexes than Shunsui because we have seen Shunsui dodge point blank ceros constantly from Stark..... and Starks attack speed was amazing he could shoot them constantly without slowing and Shunsui was able to dodge and react to all of them.

Yama didnt use his Shikai because he thought he was fighting Juha Bach and he knows how strong Juha is which is why he didnt hold back. It is not because the twin could fight against his shikai lol. Yama went straight into Bankai.

And that thing about Yammy is null he is just slow and takes hits constantly. Yammy only had strong reiatsu but that was it. I dont think it was said that the older you are the stronger? Can you show me the scan or something I would really like to see it I think it was just a fan made speculation to be honest I dont really remember seeing it anywhere. Shunsui has stronger feats than Zaraki right now and has shown to be the better fighter.

 

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Definitely Shunsui

 

[kotoamatsukami]

And what is his it's ability? Since we do not know we are only assuming which is completely irrelevant right? Based off of what we know his sword is inferior to Shunsui's and it's not even close

I stopped reading the rest after you called Starrk weak.. Please go reread the manga and come back okay lol.

I kno stark was strong but not as strong as he should have been.

 

[crackpot]

I kno stark was strong but not as strong as he should have been.

How strong should he have been then? He had shown the best ability out of all.

 

[Summer]

My guess goes like so

Shunsui
Healthy joushiro
Zaraki current
Kisuke
Yoruichi
Shinji and so forth

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Zaraki can use his power the same way Ichigo could use getsuga tenshou unconsciously, without knowing how to do it.

Stark was the strongest and Ulquiorra even said there were stronger espada than him so that takes him out of the equation. Yammy had raw strength but that was it. Barragan had hax yes but it he can only erode so much... not if all if it comes at him quickly then he gets hit. If Stark used cero metrallata against Barragan and spam his wolves he wouldnt be able to age all of the ceros and would definitely get hit. Ukitake and the others didnt really do anything against Stark.... Shunsui was the only one that did damage and fought Stark properly. Stark fell prey to Shunsuis sword fighting prowess.

When Shunsui fought the OMQ he had shown why he was stronger and the OMQ knew it which is why he had to go all out at the start while Shunsui didnt even use one of his abilities. A threat is a threat and OMQ took no chances and when Shunsui got a little pumped it only took him a few seconds to get past the Quincies defences and cut him up. And yes OMQ was the only sternritter to use Vollstandig.... The only other quincy that used it was a captain and that was Kirge who isnt even a Sternritter.

Unohana is a skilled swordfighter yes but that is no indication to think that she is the second strongest after Yama. Yama has said that both Shunsui and Ukitake have both surpassed their peers and teachers in combat..... Unohana taught Shunsui and Ukitake because they both call her Senpai in TBTP arc. Shunsui didnt show real fear it is not like he is scared to the bone of her, he just feared her reputation because of the fact that she is crazy lol . C46 said that they were scared not Yama and Yama is scared for the wellbeing of SS because of the danger Zaraki poses not scared of his actual power, that is what I meant his personality could turn on SS at any moment, which Yama didnt want. Plus there is no way Yama is weaker than Zaraki anyway there has been no stronger Shinigami born in the past 1000 years that could fight against him.

And Shunsuis fighting style is unorthodox... How many shinigami fight like Shunsui? None he is a fighter unlike any other we have seen in SS. Unless you can name some for me that would be nice.

Those scans just show me that Zaraki has better speed than Unohana and you cant say she has better reflexes than Shunsui because we have seen Shunsui dodge point blank ceros constantly from Stark..... and Starks attack speed was amazing he could shoot them constantly without slowing and Shunsui was able to dodge and react to all of them.

Yama didnt use his Shikai because he thought he was fighting Juha Bach and he knows how strong Juha is which is why he didnt hold back. It is not because the twin could fight against his shikai lol. Yama went straight into Bankai.

And that thing about Yammy is null he is just slow and takes hits constantly. Yammy only had strong reiatsu but that was it. I dont think it was said that the older you are the stronger? Can you show me the scan or something I would really like to see it I think it was just a fan made speculation to be honest I dont really remember seeing it anywhere. Shunsui has stronger feats than Zaraki right now and has shown to be the better fighter.

Zaraki never shown his shikai ability no matter how you put it.

Ulquioora only said that to bring ichigo confidence down he said there are three more stronger than me an as I seem hallibel was no where near his level he's the only one with 2 release forms...what ? Barrgan ability worked as soon as it hits its target that's why that one guy had to teleport his arm inside barragan..the only reason he got past ukitake was cuz of wonderweiss..stark is strong but not that strong.

He was suppose to go all out from the start the Quincy did not come there to play around..shunsui only cut him once that's not good..

Unohana is the second strongest...post me a link of Yamamoto saying they past they teachers an Peers in combat?. An I believe he meant when they fought together no one could beat them... You saw my link they said Yamamoto stop teaching him for that very same fear...I kno Yamamoto is stronger than zaraki but zaraki true power may be on a hole mother level.

His fighting style is regular he really did not do anything spectacular against stark but a little tricks here an there am his shikai.. byakiya is also a good fighter he cut the ground up so when that Quincy moved it fell threw...he even graves his petals when fighting tsukishima an that was tricky.

When did I say she moved faster than shunsui?..she is a better fighter thoe .. Stark attack speed was nice but any fast soul reaper would have dodge them if need be...

Yamamoto did use his shikai an could not land a hit..the fake juha was like so all I have to do is avoid ur sword this will be easy..but Yamamoto did that spiritual pressure thing an started kicking his ass..

I'm saying the older the stronger because the older you are the more you trained an perfected ur skills...yea he has shown to be a better fighter than a weak zaraki..he's not stronger sorry.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

How strong should he have been then? He had shown the best ability out of all.

He should have looked stronger than what ulqiuorra did..to me ulquiorra seemed the strongest his first release was destroying a hollowfied Ichigo with out a problem an his next release was over kill he showed more speed an power than stark.