[Question] The strongest Shinigami after Yamamoto..

[kotoamatsukami]

1. Kenpachi Zaraki's Zanpakuto is always in it's Shikai form (like Ichigo Kurosaki)..
2. Kenpachi faced Quincy that didn't affect him, plus he didn't have any Bankai for them to steal..
3. Shunsui is clearly the strongest Soul Reaper after Yamamoto (Zero Division not counted)

Yea it's always in shikai form but that don't matter he can't use it's ability.

Kenpachi beat those Quincy with just raw power no sword tricks even the white head guy with the fake juha even was surprised an asked how he did it...while kyoraku having a hard time with just one of them

After Yamamoto unohana was the strongest but not anymore zaraki passed her in power an now has a shikai..I just think some people think he stronger because he is captain commander.

 

[Renpatsu Dei]

Base Aizen probably. After that Shunsui or Zaraki

 

[Killer24s]

Yea it's always in shikai form but that don't matter he can't use it's ability.

Kenpachi beat those Quincy with just raw power no sword tricks even the white head guy with the fake juha even was surprised an asked how he did it...while kyoraku having a hard time with just one of them

After Yamamoto unohana was the strongest but not anymore zaraki passed her in power an now has a shikai..I just think some people think he stronger because he is captain commander.

I understand where you're coming from.. But where did you get the notion the ex-4th Division captain was stronger than the current Captain-Commander? Although Kenpachi has a good argument for strongest at his current state he could not defeat Shunsui because a) Speed.. b) Shikai hax.. c) Intelligence.. You made great points though

P.S. did it occur to you Zaraki had it easier because he had dim relationship with his sword and was fighting off brute strength and instinct?

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I understand where you're coming from.. But where did you get the notion the ex-4th Division captain was stronger than the current Captain-Commander? Although Kenpachi has a good argument for strongest at his current state he could not defeat Shunsui because a) Speed.. b) Shikai hax.. c) Intelligence.. You made great points though

P.S. did it occur to you Zaraki had it easier because he had dim relationship with his sword and was fighting off brute strength and instinct?

Where did I get the thought that unohana was stronger than kyoraku hmm let's see she is a part of the original gotei 13 an was the strongest in that group..she was around 1000 years ago an as kyoraku said I believe she knos every sword style..at his current state he can't bet kyoraku?..you say he has more speed so what does that matter zaraki swordsman ship is A plus, unohana her self said when she fought kenpachi as a kid she said he left no openings she was not even a match for him..during the training kenpachi reflexes kept getting better an better..

Kyoraku shikai is not hax people seem to think its god like no aizen shikai was hax..it's not hard to catch on to his shikai stark had it down pact he just was not strong enough to get the job done..it's just pick a color,be higher up, watch the shadows, an that wind attack..with kenpachi new found power his kyoraku shikai won't do him no good..kenpachi now reacts faster to things.

It don't matter of course zaraki had it easier an most likely he did not even use two hands even if he was fighting kyoraku opponent he would have won the battle befor the quincy left..like I said kyoraku was useing shikai an losing while kenpachi just used his regular strength..an now he has gotten even stronger physically an has a shikai so yea he stronger than kyoraku..kyoraku shikai will get him nowhere against the Quincy but kenpachi's will bring them hell.

 

[crackpot]

Where did I get the thought that unohana was stronger than kyoraku hmm let's see she is a part of the original gotei 13 an was the strongest in that group..she was around 1000 years ago an as kyoraku said I believe she knos every sword style..at his current state he can't bet kyoraku?..you say he has more speed so what does that matter zaraki swordsman ship is A plus, unohana her self said when she fought kenpachi as a kid she said he left no openings she was not even a match for him..during the training kenpachi reflexes kept getting better an better..

Kyoraku shikai is not hax people seem to think its god like no aizen shikai was hax..it's not hard to catch on to his shikai stark had it down pact he just was not strong enough to get the job done..it's just pick a color,be higher up, watch the shadows, an that wind attack..with kenpachi new found power his kyoraku shikai won't do him no good..kenpachi now reacts faster to things.

It don't matter of course zaraki had it easier an most likely he did not even use two hands even if he was fighting kyoraku opponent he would have won the battle befor the quincy left..like I said kyoraku was useing shikai an losing while kenpachi just used his regular strength..an now he has gotten even stronger physically an has a shikai so yea he stronger than kyoraku..kyoraku shikai will get him nowhere against the Quincy but kenpachi's will bring them hell.

You cant say he was having a hard time with the OMQ when he could out blitz him while half blind... Shunsui was superior in every case against the OMQ full stop. Shunsui would have killed him with the first slash if not for Vollstandig. Zaraki had a lucky battle one persons ability was able to negate the other which is why he took them down so effortlessly.
Zaraki cant even use shunpo how is he supposed to keep up with someone that was praised their shunpo on how good it is from Yama himself. Matter of fact Zaraki cant use Kido, he is not going to win against a fighter like Shunsui. Unohana also only used zanjutsu she could have easily used Kido and messed him up. Unohana is stronger than Zaraki at everything but Zanjutsu if she used the other facets of the Shinigami skill she would have destroyed him.

Zaraki is always in Shikai it is not his regular strength like when Ichigo didnt use his shikai fully there were moments he was able to use its power when he needed to even if he didnt understand it. Face it what we have seen from the OMQ is far more spectacular than what Zarakis Qunicy have shown and Unohana didnt wasnt to kill him she brought him back from the dead countless times and Unohanas power is Zanjutsu and Zanjutsu only just because she is old doesnt mean she is stronger than Shunsui or other captains for that matter Yama is valid because he has shown why he was the strongest Unohana has only said she was the strongest at Zanjutsu.

Shunsui had a skilled opponent because he was one of the 5 or 6 main sternritter shown in the beggining with Haschwald, the ones who have the power and skill, the ones who Zaraki fought werent shown at all which meant they were weak quincy and not on par the with the main six. When he actually fought a real SR he got destroyed that is that. It has been shown that a the SR have rank because As Nodt was ordering around that Luchador quincy and only the strong sternritter were able to bring the army of quincy into SS which indicated they were the ones who had rank OMQ was one of them. Imagine Kirge he was only a captain and was amazingly strong... Imagine how strong the SR are compared to Kirge and Ichigo still had trouble and Urahara as well got saved from a captain, who wasnt even a SR.

Im sorry I didnt realise Zaraki was as analytical as stark? Stark had to analyse what he was wearing and then look at where Shunsui struck and then actually looked to Shunsui for what he was wearing. Stark was by far one of the most analytical fighters we have seen and you put Zaraki over him? It doesnt matter how strong your skin is it is only based on the amount of colour you are wearing. When stark hit him with "Shiro" it was only a nick but then caused a huge spurt of blood to come out.. What should have been minimal damage caused a huge gash with a deep wound.

I think you should think about Zarakis skill and compare it to Shunsuis analytical prowess, strength, Hax shikai (It is because no matter what... it breaks down the difference of strength because whoever attacks from the top is stronger and Iro oni is hax and will take down Zaraki depending on colour struck regardless of the "strength" of his skin), fast Shunpo, ruthless tactics, and tricks.
Again I have to reiterate because it is not getting through the SR Shunsui fought he could have killed him quicker than Zaraki if OMQ didnt use VOLLSTANDIG (Strongest technique and the only SR that used it which shows how dangerous Shunsui is compared to the other captains) and even then only shot him in the eye while in his strongest form, and even when HALF BLIND he still BLITZED the OMQ, the only reason he lost is because yama was sliced in two. And while Shunsui was in shikai he didnt use ANY of his techniques and as far as I know his base stats doesnt increase with Shikai like Ichigo so Shunsui was basically fighting OMQ in BASE.

To get the upper hand OMQ had to use Vollstandig and was the only SR shown to have used it. If Shunsui was weak the SR wouldnt have used it, The SR had data on all the captains and knew how dangerous they were and the OMQ had to try to blitz Shunsui while he was talking and still couldnt get the upper hand and was about to get killed then used Vollstandig to save himself. Shunsui outclasses the OMQ and Zaraki.

 

[Nakamazi Itchigo]

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[kotoamatsukami]

You cant say he was having a hard time with the OMQ when he could out blitz him while half blind... Shunsui was superior in every case against the OMQ full stop. Shunsui would have killed him with the first slash if not for Vollstandig. Zaraki had a lucky battle one persons ability was able to negate the other which is why he took them down so effortlessly.
Zaraki cant even use shunpo how is he supposed to keep up with someone that was praised their shunpo on how good it is from Yama himself. Matter of fact Zaraki cant use Kido, he is not going to win against a fighter like Shunsui. Unohana also only used zanjutsu she could have easily used Kido and messed him up. Unohana is stronger than Zaraki at everything but Zanjutsu if she used the other facets of the Shinigami skill she would have destroyed him.

Zaraki is always in Shikai it is not his regular strength like when Ichigo didnt use his shikai fully there were moments he was able to use its power when he needed to even if he didnt understand it. Face it what we have seen from the OMQ is far more spectacular than what Zarakis Qunicy have shown and Unohana didnt wasnt to kill him she brought him back from the dead countless times and Unohanas power is Zanjutsu and Zanjutsu only just because she is old doesnt mean she is stronger than Shunsui or other captains for that matter Yama is valid because he has shown why he was the strongest Unohana has only said she was the strongest at Zanjutsu.

Shunsui had a skilled opponent because he was one of the 5 or 6 main sternritter shown in the beggining with Haschwald, the ones who have the power and skill, the ones who Zaraki fought werent shown at all which meant they were weak quincy and not on par the with the main six. When he actually fought a real SR he got destroyed that is that. It has been shown that a the SR have rank because As Nodt was ordering around that Luchador quincy and only the strong sternritter were able to bring the army of quincy into SS which indicated they were the ones who had rank OMQ was one of them. Imagine Kirge he was only a captain and was amazingly strong... Imagine how strong the SR are compared to Kirge and Ichigo still had trouble and Urahara as well got saved from a captain, who wasnt even a SR.

Im sorry I didnt realise Zaraki was as analytical as stark? Stark had to analyse what he was wearing and then look at where Shunsui struck and then actually looked to Shunsui for what he was wearing. Stark was by far one of the most analytical fighters we have seen and you put Zaraki over him? It doesnt matter how strong your skin is it is only based on the amount of colour you are wearing. When stark hit him with "Shiro" it was only a nick but then caused a huge spurt of blood to come out.. What should have been minimal damage caused a huge gash with a deep wound.

I think you should think about Zarakis skill and compare it to Shunsuis analytical prowess, strength, Hax shikai (It is because no matter what... it breaks down the difference of strength because whoever attacks from the top is stronger and Iro oni is hax and will take down Zaraki depending on colour struck regardless of the "strength" of his skin), fast Shunpo, ruthless tactics, and tricks.
Again I have to reiterate because it is not getting through the SR Shunsui fought he could have killed him quicker than Zaraki if OMQ didnt use VOLLSTANDIG (Strongest technique and the only SR that used it which shows how dangerous Shunsui is compared to the other captains) and even then only shot him in the eye while in his strongest form, and even when HALF BLIND he still BLITZED the OMQ, the only reason he lost is because yama was sliced in two. And while Shunsui was in shikai he didnt use ANY of his techniques and as far as I know his base stats doesnt increase with Shikai like Ichigo so Shunsui was basically fighting OMQ in BASE.

To get the upper hand OMQ had to use Vollstandig and was the only SR shown to have used it. If Shunsui was weak the SR wouldnt have used it, The SR had data on all the captains and knew how dangerous they were and the OMQ had to try to blitz Shunsui while he was talking and still couldnt get the upper hand and was about to get killed then used Vollstandig to save himself. Shunsui outclasses the OMQ and Zaraki.

Yea kyoraku could have won the fight quick but the Quincy made sure that did not happen by useing his full power..zaraki battle won't lucky he just beat his opponent down with ease that's all..shunpo don't matter zaraki is a captain with very good reflexes not even one of the greatest could cut him down when he was only a child how is kyoraku supposed to cut him? Kido ,zaraki can knock that away with his spiritual pressure..an don't forget while fighting unohana he was only useing one arm as well.

Yea zaraki is always in shikai but he has never used any power from it ..was the one kyoraku fought stronger than the ones kenpachi fought who knows but he still beat three without much effort...of course unohana was not trying to kill him she was bringing back his true power an he is stronger than her when he is at full power she said it her self in the manga...kyoraku said himself in the manga that she was the strongest in the original gotei 13..he must have talkin about befor the zanpacto wer made thoe I think. .but yea he said she was the strongest.

They all have there own type of power we don't kno if the ones kenpachi fought wer stronger than the guy kyoraku fought...yea kenpachi got beat that fake juha was the strongest next to the real juha of course kenpachi gone lose to him he has been around as long as Yamamoto has he is juha twin.

If zaraki has to think or analyze something he will like in the tosen fight like I brought up befor...stark did not have to analyze anything kyoraku explain everything to him..kenpachi can see what's someone is wearing an like I said he's a master in swordsman ship ur going to have a hard time cutting him period...yea that color game kyoraku will lose that zaraki can lose a lot of blood an keep standing so kyoraku can cut away.

I think you need to think of zaraki skill,there will be nonthing to analyze if he fought kenpachi..an how strong is kyoraku anyway sense you seem to kno? An like I said befor his shikai is not hax kenpachi will catch on his reflexes are to good for kyoraku to even cut him once...like I said befor he was still having a hard time with that Quincy an I believe he did use that wind tec..an yea his physical power does not get stronger in shikai why even bring that up?

I have to look into this vollstanding..but any way like I said kenpachi beat three while kyoraku struggled with one an kenpachi has only gotten a lot stronger sense then..kenpachi>kyoraku

 

[crackpot]

Yea kyoraku could have won the fight quick but the Quincy made sure that did not happen by useing his full power..zaraki battle won't lucky he just beat his opponent down with ease that's all..shunpo don't matter zaraki is a captain with very good reflexes not even one of the greatest could cut him down when he was only a child how is kyoraku supposed to cut him? Kido ,zaraki can knock that away with his spiritual pressure..an don't forget while fighting unohana he was only useing one arm as well.

Yea zaraki is always in shikai but he has never used any power from it ..was the one kyoraku fought stronger than the ones kenpachi fought who knows but he still beat three without much effort...of course unohana was not trying to kill him she was bringing back his true power an he is stronger than her when he is at full power she said it her self in the manga...kyoraku said himself in the manga that she was the strongest in the original gotei 13..he must have talkin about befor the zanpacto wer made thoe I think. .but yea he said she was the strongest.

They all have there own type of power we don't kno if the ones kenpachi fought wer stronger than the guy kyoraku fought...yea kenpachi got beat that fake juha was the strongest next to the real juha of course kenpachi gone lose to him he has been around as long as Yamamoto has he is juha twin.

If zaraki has to think or analyze something he will like in the tosen fight like I brought up befor...stark did not have to analyze anything kyoraku explain everything to him..kenpachi can see what's someone is wearing an like I said he's a master in swordsman ship ur going to have a hard time cutting him period...yea that color game kyoraku will lose that zaraki can lose a lot of blood an keep standing so kyoraku can cut away.

I think you need to think of zaraki skill,there will be nonthing to analyze if he fought kenpachi..an how strong is kyoraku anyway sense you seem to kno? An like I said befor his shikai is not hax kenpachi will catch on his reflexes are to good for kyoraku to even cut him once...like I said befor he was still having a hard time with that Quincy an I believe he did use that wind tec..an yea his physical power does not get stronger in shikai why even bring that up?

I have to look into this vollstanding..but any way like I said kenpachi beat three while kyoraku struggled with one an kenpachi has only gotten a lot stronger sense then..kenpachi>kyoraku

O.k it seems you like dismissing the facts.. Zaraki does need Shunpo.... good reflexes isnt enough for Shunsuis shikai you will need to manuever well to dodge Shunsuis onslaught of attacks which will come from all angles, it seems you also underestimate Iro Onis ability Zaraki will surely die if Shunsui calls the right colour and does a strong attack (you have seen how much damage that small nick did it was deep). Shunpo is one of the most important techniques in bleach Zaraki doesnt dodge he tanks and that tanking mindset will get him killed sorry but it is the truth. And I cant believe I am saying this the third time but Zarakis kill against the 3 Quincy was pure Luck The first guys roar caused ringing in Zarakis ear making him temporarily deaf, the Second Quincies ability was related to speaking really fast so that the opponent would lose faith in his ability causing him to falter, but because of the first Zaraki couldnt hear her therefore slashing her the... third was the hardest because it turned into himself and because he was fighting with his eye patch all he had to do was take it off and become "Stronger" than himself. This also relates to him not reaching his full ability.

Zaraki definitely wont be able to blow away Shunsuis kido this is all false speculation and honestly the more you do it the more I dont take your'e argument seriously, because you have no proof to back it up. If you have proof that definitely says he can Reiatsu crush shunsui then show it.... But that is definitely not the case because Shunsui can fight Yama on par with Shikai and Yamas reiatsu is far more impressive and while yama used his full reiatsu on Nanao Kyoraku blocked it and negated it. Zaraki doesnt have enough reiatsu to crush someone as strong as Shunsui.

Shunsui is leagues above Zaraki as a Shinigami as a whole he has better fighting abilities and tactics, Shunsui is the worst type of opponent for Zaraki. Zaraki would do well against people like Ichigo and Noitra who are all gung ho and dont think, But against people like Shunsui who are ruthless, tactitions, skilled swordsmen and focus on an opponents weak points, Zaraki has no chance.

Shunsui didnt explain his abilities to Stark he merely gave Stark hints, but Stark was quick enough to pick up on them. Zaraki wouldnt be so smart, while I do think he is good at judging a persons character analysing in battle isnt something he has shown. And tousens bankai was easy just wait for the first strike because he couldnt hear or see anything and Zaraki has always worked on instinct which is why it backfired against tousen.

Lol you cant say the other Quincy were stronger than the one Kyoraku fought because you have no proof stop making baseless statements because that is all you have been doing like "Oh Zaraki got Shikai so he will be faster" when he cant use Shunpo, "Oh Zaraki will definitely be able to figure out Shunsuis games easily" when Zaraki hasnt been shown to be as perceptive as Stark, and "Zaraki can definitely reiatsu crush Shunsui because he is so superior" even though Shunsui can hold his own against Yama himself, And Yama said he wasnt holding back so there. The Quincy that Shunsui fought was heavily outgunned in his fight with Shunsui which is why he had to use Vollstandig so early. I say OMQ is higher ranked than the others because he was one of the few SR who were given the order by Bach himself to bring in the soldat who were the 'weaker' quincy. Only him and a few others were shown doing it which means he is on a higher standing than the others. He also the only SR unnamed and when Kubo leaves a character out in the shadows it is because he either plays an important role or has great ability and skill which he doesnt want to show just quite yet.

And you are misinformed Shunsui didnt use Bushogoma against OMQ he just used his base speed, strength, intelligence and skill, while still outperforming the OMQ even while half blind. Zaraki and I say again killed three Quincy as luck because of the events that took place if the Roar guy didnt use his ability then the second quincies ability may very well have been Zarakis downfall.

You can either look at this in a one dimensional view or three, how you perceive it is how you read the manga. People miss out a lot of important things when reading the manga and miss out the small bits which are the most important because they read it far too quickly.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

O.k it seems you like dismissing the facts.. Zaraki does need Shunpo.... good reflexes isnt enough for Shunsuis shikai you will need to manuever well to dodge Shunsuis onslaught of attacks which will come from all angles, it seems you also underestimate Iro Onis ability Zaraki will surely die if Shunsui calls the right colour and does a strong attack (you have seen how much damage that small nick did it was deep). Shunpo is one of the most important techniques in bleach Zaraki doesnt dodge he tanks and that tanking mindset will get him killed sorry but it is the truth. And I cant believe I am saying this the third time but Zarakis kill against the 3 Quincy was pure Luck The first guys roar caused ringing in Zarakis ear making him temporarily deaf, the Second Quincies ability was related to speaking really fast so that the opponent would lose faith in his ability causing him to falter, but because of the first Zaraki couldnt hear her therefore slashing her the... third was the hardest because it turned into himself and because he was fighting with his eye patch all he had to do was take it off and become "Stronger" than himself. This also relates to him not reaching his full ability.

Zaraki definitely wont be able to blow away Shunsuis kido this is all false speculation and honestly the more you do it the more I dont take your'e argument seriously, because you have no proof to back it up. If you have proof that definitely says he can Reiatsu crush shunsui then show it.... But that is definitely not the case because Shunsui can fight Yama on par with Shikai and Yamas reiatsu is far more impressive and while yama used his full reiatsu on Nanao Kyoraku blocked it and negated it. Zaraki doesnt have enough reiatsu to crush someone as strong as Shunsui.

Shunsui is leagues above Zaraki as a Shinigami as a whole he has better fighting abilities and tactics, Shunsui is the worst type of opponent for Zaraki. Zaraki would do well against people like Ichigo and Noitra who are all gung ho and dont think, But against people like Shunsui who are ruthless, tactitions, skilled swordsmen and focus on an opponents weak points, Zaraki has no chance.

Shunsui didnt explain his abilities to Stark he merely gave Stark hints, but Stark was quick enough to pick up on them. Zaraki wouldnt be so smart, while I do think he is good at judging a persons character analysing in battle isnt something he has shown. And tousens bankai was easy just wait for the first strike because he couldnt hear or see anything and Zaraki has always worked on instinct which is why it backfired against tousen.

Lol you cant say the other Quincy were stronger than the one Kyoraku fought because you have no proof stop making baseless statements because that is all you have been doing like "Oh Zaraki got Shikai so he will be faster" when he cant use Shunpo, "Oh Zaraki will definitely be able to figure out Shunsuis games easily" when Zaraki hasnt been shown to be as perceptive as Stark, and "Zaraki can definitely reiatsu crush Shunsui because he is so superior" even though Shunsui can hold his own against Yama himself, And Yama said he wasnt holding back so there. The Quincy that Shunsui fought was heavily outgunned in his fight with Shunsui which is why he had to use Vollstandig so early. I say OMQ is higher ranked than the others because he was one of the few SR who were given the order by Bach himself to bring in the soldat who were the 'weaker' quincy. Only him and a few others were shown doing it which means he is on a higher standing than the others. He also the only SR unnamed and when Kubo leaves a character out in the shadows it is because he either plays an important role or has great ability and skill which he doesnt want to show just quite yet.

And you are misinformed Shunsui didnt use Bushogoma against OMQ he just used his base speed, strength, intelligence and skill, while still outperforming the OMQ even while half blind. Zaraki and I say again killed three Quincy as luck because of the events that took place if the Roar guy didnt use his ability then the second quincies ability may very well have been Zarakis downfall.

You can either look at this in a one dimensional view or three, how you perceive it is how you read the manga. People miss out a lot of important things when reading the manga and miss out the small bits which are the most important because they read it far too quickly.

Like I said befor all he needs is his reflexes an reflexing is dodgeing I can see if kyoraku had speed like aizen but he don't .kyoraku can attack from anywhere he wants if unohana has a hard time cutting him what makes you think kyoraku can cut him?..lol kenpachi die if he calls the right color let me put this in all caps for you KENPACHI IS NOT STARK HE IS MUCH TOUGHER.. Did you see how many times nnortria cut him an he was still standing if that was any other captain besides Yamamoto they would have just died from all those cuts.. He just tanks go rewatch him fight unohana then like I said his reflexes got better..it won't luck he beat them it just happend..even the white haired guy was surprised someone took out three.

Lol kyoraku fought on par with Yama lol wow what? First off he had help from ukitake an Yama was not going all out if he was he would been got rid of them with the move he tried on aizen...yea zaraki spiritual pressure would blow away his kido don't need proof we kno what happens when he removes his eye patch.

Lol zaraki has no chance after becoming stronger than unohana with amazing swordsman ship an most likely has the best reflexes in the ss right now lol come don't say nothing stupid like that he would completely over power shunsui when they swords collide..most of kyoraku sword attacks evolve him getting close an that's a very bad thing to do when fighting kenpachi it would be a very bad move at the moment.

Yea he gave very good hints anyone would have figured out how his shikai worked..an as soon as tosen sword touched him he was able to react that's crazy knowing that he can do that At the speed Tosen swings..

What proof do you have of the other Quincy being weaker than the one kyoraku fought you did not even see them fight?..an second I never said he is faster because he has a shikai I meant he mostly is faster because his training is over an he now has his true power..zaraki is the type to think if he needs to just look at the Tosen fight an the nnortria fight if he thinks he is loseing or in a tough spot he will come up with something..you think that one Quincy was stronger because his name was left out an he called for back up what?

Won't no weak Quincy gone be zaraki down fall. He was beat by the second strongest Quincy juha brother.

Ur the one missing out central 46 was scared said he could be another aizen let me all cap that to AIZEN if he became stronger if he was just some regular captian they would have been like whatever..an if Yama feared his power that's enough said.

 

[crackpot]

Like I said befor all he needs is his reflexes an reflexing is dodgeing I can see if kyoraku had speed like aizen but he don't .kyoraku can attack from anywhere he wants if unohana has a hard time cutting him what makes you think kyoraku can cut him?..lol kenpachi die if he calls the right color let me put this in all caps for you KENPACHI IS NOT STARK HE IS MUCH TOUGHER.. Did you see how many times nnortria cut him an he was still standing if that was any other captain besides Yamamoto they would have just died from all those cuts.. He just tanks go rewatch him fight unohana then like I said his reflexes got better..it won't luck he beat them it just happend..even the white haired guy was surprised someone took out three.

Lol kyoraku fought on par with Yama lol wow what? First off he had help from ukitake an Yama was not going all out if he was he would been got rid of them with the move he tried on aizen...yea zaraki spiritual pressure would blow away his kido don't need proof we kno what happens when he removes his eye patch.

Lol zaraki has no chance after becoming stronger than unohana with amazing swordsman ship an most likely has the best reflexes in the ss right now lol come don't say nothing stupid like that he would completely over power shunsui when they swords collide..most of kyoraku sword attacks evolve him getting close an that's a very bad thing to do when fighting kenpachi it would be a very bad move at the moment.

Yea he gave very good hints anyone would have figured out how his shikai worked..an as soon as tosen sword touched him he was able to react that's crazy knowing that he can do that At the speed Tosen swings..

What proof do you have of the other Quincy being weaker than the one kyoraku fought you did not even see them fight?..an second I never said he is faster because he has a shikai I meant he mostly is faster because his training is over an he now has his true power..zaraki is the type to think if he needs to just look at the Tosen fight an the nnortria fight if he thinks he is loseing or in a tough spot he will come up with something..you think that one Quincy was stronger because his name was left out an he called for back up what?

Won't no weak Quincy gone be zaraki down fall. He was beat by the second strongest Quincy juha brother.

Ur the one missing out central 46 was scared said he could be another aizen let me all cap that to AIZEN if he became stronger if he was just some regular captian they would have been like whatever..an if Yama feared his power that's enough said.

Kenpachi was weaker than Stark if he had trouble with the 5th espada. Yeah he was cut up by Nnoitra but not by Iro oni, Iro oni takes away all durability feats Simple as that.... Stark had tough hierro so tough that he was not affected by Loves shikai but when Shunsui cut him with Iro Oni "Kuro" One hit kill. You sound so ridiculous right now it isnt funny. I think you need to see this just to clear things up

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Happy now? here he says he couldnt hear her which has to do with her ability. Her ability was Question which is to talk so much that the opponent begins to question their power and ability meaning they dont have faith in it and lose. The third one was himself so he had to become stronger and we know he wasnt at his full strength like he is now. So luck was on his side. And the first SR ability was crap TBH.

Shunsui had help from Ukitake yes but Yama did say he was going to kill Kyoraku and Ukitake for standing in his way, so we can say he went all out. Besides the fight was off paneled we never saw what Yama or Shunsui said so what you are saying is again ridiculous. Your'e saying baseless things again.

Im sorry he tanked hits from Unohana? She healed him so many times and brought himself back to life hundreds of times he was wondering why as well, null point you made.

And reactions arent everything especially when youre fighting someone like Shunsui who has 2 swords you cant stop 2 swords coming at 2 different angles at 2 different speeds. Zaraki loses.

We know the Quincy Zaraki fought is weaker because after the fight when Shunsui proposes the training he tells the Central 46 that he is weak which is why he needs to get stronger meaning Shunsui is stronger therefore meaning he had a stronger opponent. Plus not all the quincy were given the authority to bring in the Soldat which is an order directly from Bach. Only OMQ and 2 others said the Order "Advance Soldat" when Juha gave the order which gives me the feeling that he is ranked higher because of skill with 2 others.

What I meant about not knowing name is that Kubo leaves out people who he has special intentions for last, or later moments in the manga I wasnt saying it is canon not like you who thinks Zaraki has more impressive reiatsu than yama and can reiatsu crush everyone.

And C46 didnt say Zaraki would be a threat like Aizen? Dont say such crazy unjustified things. That is just youre fan-boy or fan-girl head going overdrive, they only said "threat" because of his personality. If he gets stronger than he will want to fight stronger opponents meaning he may fight turn on SS and fight them to get a thrill. And Shunsui wouldnt be doing this if he knew that SS is in danger meaning that he has the means to take out Zaraki if need be.

And yes Zaraki has a brain and can think but not as actively and thoroughly as Shunsui, Shunsui will plan and take advantage of every movement and opening and take his opponent off guard using distractions and diversions. The worst kind of opponent for Zaraki as I said.

And he wasnt defeated by the second strongest quincy lol you dont know that he could have been stronger than OMQ lol the opponent Zaraki fought could have been weaker than OMQ for all we know.... Do you suddenly know the manga better than Kubo? Because after reading the things you are saying obviously you think you do, because of the fact that you are making things up on the spot.

When Zaraki releases his eye patch sure it is impressive and looks cool but that is about it really. And you and know that Zaraki wont be able to blow Shunsui away with Reiatsu alone.... Shunsui has reiatsu comparable to Stark while only in Shikai, we know this because Aizen himself stated that all battles come down to reiatsu, and while Zaraki has high Reiatsu I see no reason as to why he is above Shunsui as otherwise stated. The Primera had amazing reiatsu that killed hollows in his presence and was able to blitz Zaraki and Ichigo both at the same time. I dont see Zaraki reiatsu crushing Shunsui ever.

Sorry but I really dont take youre arguments seriously any more you are making things up on the spot and using head-canon as canon. You dont provide proof yet you think youre right all the time, I feel that I have to repeat myself countless times just to get a simple point in because you dont actually read what I am saying. You can be ignorant and ignore things but I dont want to continue this conversation at all because it seems that it is not getting through to you at all. You are ignoring posts constantly and say some really surprising things and making things up like Zaraki is gonna be a big threat like Aizen or Yama wasnt even going hard, when Yama said so himself that he was going to kill them.... and you have no proof otherwise because the fight was off-panelled. You make it sound like any Shinigami can take on Yama with only one other Shinigami.... That is a huge feat to fight some as strong as Yama (Strongest Shinigami within the last 1000 years) and actually live.

Shunsui is second strongest after Yama.

 

[Killer24s]

Where did I get the thought that unohana was stronger than kyoraku hmm let's see she is a part of the original gotei 13 an was the strongest in that group..she was around 1000 years ago an as kyoraku said I believe she knos every sword style..at his current state he can't bet kyoraku?..you say he has more speed so what does that matter zaraki swordsman ship is A plus, unohana her self said when she fought kenpachi as a kid she said he left no openings she was not even a match for him..during the training kenpachi reflexes kept getting better an better..

Kyoraku shikai is not hax people seem to think its god like no aizen shikai was hax..it's not hard to catch on to his shikai stark had it down pact he just was not strong enough to get the job done..it's just pick a color,be higher up, watch the shadows, an that wind attack..with kenpachi new found power his kyoraku shikai won't do him no good..kenpachi now reacts faster to things.

It don't matter of course zaraki had it easier an most likely he did not even use two hands even if he was fighting kyoraku opponent he would have won the battle befor the quincy left..like I said kyoraku was useing shikai an losing while kenpachi just used his regular strength..an now he has gotten even stronger physically an has a shikai so yea he stronger than kyoraku..kyoraku shikai will get him nowhere against the Quincy but kenpachi's will bring them hell.

Your method of logic is if a > b and c < b then that means a > c.. Too bad this isn't how it works in Bleach dear. The ex-4th Division Captain has capable speed and great swordsmanship but besides that and her healing prowess what feats has she shown (not hype) that makes her superior to the current Captain-Commander? I'll wait..

My friend, once again you're doing precisely as I said above ; Since Starrk figured it out, Kenpachi should too, etc.. This isn't how it works as Kenpachi's character alone is the polar opposite of the Primera's whose analytic instead of the former who'd rather slash/cut his way to victory. Shunsui's Shikai is Top 5 most hax Zanpakuto in Bleach and a person of Zaraki's intellect would easily fall prey..

Did I not tell you Shinigami like Shunsui who rely heavily on their Zanpakuto are in a huge disadvantage while others such as Kenpachi who don't even know their swords name and rely on strength/instinct have a huge advantage? C'mon.. It's not that hard bro..

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Kenpachi was weaker than Stark if he had trouble with the 5th espada. Yeah he was cut up by Nnoitra but not by Iro oni, Iro oni takes away all durability feats Simple as that.... Stark had tough hierro so tough that he was not affected by Loves shikai but when Shunsui cut him with Iro Oni "Kuro" One hit kill. You sound so ridiculous right now it isnt funny. I think you need to see this just to clear things up

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Happy now? here he says he couldnt hear her which has to do with her ability. Her ability was Question which is to talk so much that the opponent begins to question their power and ability meaning they dont have faith in it and lose. The third one was himself so he had to become stronger and we know he wasnt at his full strength like he is now. So luck was on his side. And the first SR ability was crap TBH.

Shunsui had help from Ukitake yes but Yama did say he was going to kill Kyoraku and Ukitake for standing in his way, so we can say he went all out. Besides the fight was off paneled we never saw what Yama or Shunsui said so what you are saying is again ridiculous. Your'e saying baseless things again.

Im sorry he tanked hits from Unohana? She healed him so many times and brought himself back to life hundreds of times he was wondering why as well, null point you made.

And reactions arent everything especially when youre fighting someone like Shunsui who has 2 swords you cant stop 2 swords coming at 2 different angles at 2 different speeds. Zaraki loses.

We know the Quincy Zaraki fought is weaker because after the fight when Shunsui proposes the training he tells the Central 46 that he is weak which is why he needs to get stronger meaning Shunsui is stronger therefore meaning he had a stronger opponent. Plus not all the quincy were given the authority to bring in the Soldat which is an order directly from Bach. Only OMQ and 2 others said the Order "Advance Soldat" when Juha gave the order which gives me the feeling that he is ranked higher because of skill with 2 others.

What I meant about not knowing name is that Kubo leaves out people who he has special intentions for last, or later moments in the manga I wasnt saying it is canon not like you who thinks Zaraki has more impressive reiatsu than yama and can reiatsu crush everyone.

And C46 didnt say Zaraki would be a threat like Aizen? Dont say such crazy unjustified things. That is just youre fan-boy or fan-girl head going overdrive, they only said "threat" because of his personality. If he gets stronger than he will want to fight stronger opponents meaning he may fight turn on SS and fight them to get a thrill. And Shunsui wouldnt be doing this if he knew that SS is in danger meaning that he has the means to take out Zaraki if need be.

And yes Zaraki has a brain and can think but not as actively and thoroughly as Shunsui, Shunsui will plan and take advantage of every movement and opening and take his opponent off guard using distractions and diversions. The worst kind of opponent for Zaraki as I said.

And he wasnt defeated by the second strongest quincy lol you dont know that he could have been stronger than OMQ lol the opponent Zaraki fought could have been weaker than OMQ for all we know.... Do you suddenly know the manga better than Kubo? Because after reading the things you are saying obviously you think you do, because of the fact that you are making things up on the spot.

When Zaraki releases his eye patch sure it is impressive and looks cool but that is about it really. And you and know that Zaraki wont be able to blow Shunsui away with Reiatsu alone.... Shunsui has reiatsu comparable to Stark while only in Shikai, we know this because Aizen himself stated that all battles come down to reiatsu, and while Zaraki has high Reiatsu I see no reason as to why he is above Shunsui as otherwise stated. The Primera had amazing reiatsu that killed hollows in his presence and was able to blitz Zaraki and Ichigo both at the same time. I dont see Zaraki reiatsu crushing Shunsui ever.

Sorry but I really dont take youre arguments seriously any more you are making things up on the spot and using head-canon as canon. You dont provide proof yet you think youre right all the time, I feel that I have to repeat myself countless times just to get a simple point in because you dont actually read what I am saying. You can be ignorant and ignore things but I dont want to continue this conversation at all because it seems that it is not getting through to you at all. You are ignoring posts constantly and say some really surprising things and making things up like Zaraki is gonna be a big threat like Aizen or Yama wasnt even going hard, when Yama said so himself that he was going to kill them.... and you have no proof otherwise because the fight was off-panelled. You make it sound like any Shinigami can take on Yama with only one other Shinigami.... That is a huge feat to fight some as strong as Yama (Strongest Shinigami within the last 1000 years) and actually live.

Shunsui is second strongest after Yama.

Naw he could have been ended his fight with nnoritra if he uses two hands from the start..his shikai takes away all durability feats please stop making things up..iro oni was not a one hit kill he did it more than once..lol an what you making up abilities for that Quincy now I can't take ur word for her ability you don't kno what it is or does..an it won't no luck he just beat thoes three quincy cuz hes strong because he's to strong.

Are you sure he said he was going to kill them? Anyway yea it was off panel so how you gone say he was on par with Yama an you did not even see the fight? An the fact you kno he's not on Yamamoto level why would you even say that?

I never said he tanked hits from unohana wtf I said his reflexes were getting better an better.

Um in the beginning he fought stark with two different swords stark did not get beat so what are you saying an zaraki swordsman ship is better than Stark's so yea you fail right there..like I said befor unohana someone that's a expert at all swords styles could barely even cut kenpachi so what can kyoraku do?

He never called zaraki weak he just knows zaraki has a lot of power locked away that can help win the war.if he's calling zaraki weak then he's calling every other captain weak as well the only captains to take down a Quincy was Yamamoto an kenpachi so how is kenpachi the weak one here? If anything he's calling him self weak he could not even do anything...an that Quincy called for back up so.

Ok he left out his name now the guy becomes super deadly...I did not say he has more reiatsu than Yamamoto who knos if he does or not all that reiatsu he used to let out is nothing compared to what he has now..I'm not saying his reiatsu will bring shunsui to his knees but it will be stronger..

Go reread they said he could become another aizen so what you talkin about..an what are you talking about shunsui knos as is in danger that's why he did it in the first place he has no choice they need the power.

An all of this is bs the worst kind of opponent for zaraki you sound stupid..kenpachi is to good of a fighter to be caught off guard so please stop saying that.

How do I kno he is stronger than the one kyoraku fought I already gave that answer he's juha brother he beat kenpachi without much effort he did not even use his sword..the guy kyoraku was fighting could not have done so if he's having a some what of a tough time with kyoraku shikai..plus Yamamoto took out three Quincy that wer on kyoraku opponents level an they had bankai but he had to use bankai inorder to fight the fake juha that's how I kno the fake juha was stronger than the guy kyoraku was fighting.

I never said he would blow away shunsui I said he would blow away kido...lol what stark reiatsu is nothing compared to what kenpachi has now why even bring stark up? While kyoraku was having a hard time with stark..zaraki was tossing around yammy the real premium espada.

I making stuff up ur making up Quincy tecs an saying kyoraku is the worst type of opponent for zaraki ,um what else asking dumb questions like how do I kno juha brother is stronger than kyoraku opponent when it simple facts..you said kyoraku called zaraki weak when he never did...an you got the nerve to say I'm making stuff up yea ok smh..kenpachi is second strongest after Yama kyoraku is third.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Your method of logic is if a > b and c < b then that means a > c.. Too bad this isn't how it works in Bleach dear. The ex-4th Division Captain has capable speed and great swordsmanship but besides that and her healing prowess what feats has she shown (not hype) that makes her superior to the current Captain-Commander? I'll wait..

My friend, once again you're doing precisely as I said above ; Since Starrk figured it out, Kenpachi should too, etc.. This isn't how it works as Kenpachi's character alone is the polar opposite of the Primera's whose analytic instead of the former who'd rather slash/cut his way to victory. Shunsui's Shikai is Top 5 most hax Zanpakuto in Bleach and a person of Zaraki's intellect would easily fall prey..

Did I not tell you Shinigami like Shunsui who rely heavily on their Zanpakuto are in a huge disadvantage while others such as Kenpachi who don't even know their swords name and rely on strength/instinct have a huge advantage? C'mon.. It's not that hard bro..

What has she shown to be on kyoraku level well first off she killed kenpachi thousands of times...an yea she knows all sword styles an flows..she is the first kenpachi the name only givin to the strongest..an was the most diabolical killer ever in the ss..an kyoraku said she was the strongest amongst the original 13 squads I don't believe that my self but that's what he said..now what does kyoraku have that makes him better than unohana? I'll wait.

Like I already said stark really did not have to figure anything out kyoraku gave him super good hints...his shikai is confusing but not that confusing an with kenpachi great swordsman ship an reflexes he will be hard to hit...an stark was not the primera espada kenpachi was tossing around the real primera espada in heweco mondo..an if he keep using his shikai ability kenpachi will catch on to it.

Yea that's what makes kenpachi stronger than kyoraku.whike kyoraku is relying on his sword an having a hard time kenpachi is just use his raw power an taking people down..but now he has even greater raw power an a shikai to go along with it he is going to play a huge part in beating the Quincy..that's why kyoraku needs his hidden power he was willing to give up the first kenpachi life an she was the best healer in the ss that how you kno kenoachi true power is a very big deal.

 

[Killer24s]

What has she shown to be on kyoraku level well first off she killed kenpachi thousands of times...an yea she knows all sword styles an flows..she is the first kenpachi the name only givin to the strongest..an was the most diabolical killer ever in the ss..an kyoraku said she was the strongest amongst the original 13 squads I don't believe that my self but that's what he said..now what does kyoraku have that makes him better than unohana? I'll wait.

Like I already said stark really did not have to figure anything out kyoraku gave him super good hints...his shikai is confusing but not that confusing an with kenpachi great swordsman ship an reflexes he will be hard to hit...an stark was not the primera espada kenpachi was tossing around the real primera espada in heweco mondo..an if he keep using his shikai ability kenpachi will catch on to it.

Yea that's what makes kenpachi stronger than kyoraku.whike kyoraku is relying on his sword an having a hard time kenpachi is just use his raw power an taking people down..but now he has even greater raw power an a shikai to go along with it he is going to play a huge part in beating the Quincy..that's why kyoraku needs his hidden power he was willing to give up the first kenpachi life an she was the best healer in the ss that how you kno kenoachi true power is a very big deal.

Dear, please link me to where he states she is the strongest among the original Gotei 13? Being called Kenpachi is only a title, just like Yoruichi is called Flash Goddess, do not take it literal Kyoraku has faced Yamamoto, Chad, Starrk, and the unnamed Male Vandereich, besides Kenpachi in the manga who has the ex-4th Division Captain faced showing her strength is above the current Captain-Commander's? No, I'll wait..

First off Starrk is the Primera (1) Espada while Yammy released form is the Cero (0) Espada. Starrk's reflexes are above Kenpachi's and yet he was caught and defeated by his Shikai, which is hax.. Your argument is that Kenpachi can dodge them/slash back, which is preposterous because he doesn't dodge attacks period lulz.

You're saying Shunsui is weaker because he relies on his Zanpakuto, which is what everyone in the Gotei 13 relies on too.. You are making no sense, Kenpachi's potential is the 3rd greatest in the series (Ichigo, Toshiro) so eventually he shall surpass Kyoraku, but as of right now he isn't stronger nor can he defeat him..

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Dear, please link me to where he states she is the strongest among the original Gotei 13? Being called Kenpachi is only a title, just like Yoruichi is called Flash Goddess, do not take it literal Kyoraku has faced Yamamoto, Chad, Starrk, and the unnamed Male Vandereich, besides Kenpachi in the manga who has the ex-4th Division Captain faced showing her strength is above the current Captain-Commander's? No, I'll wait..

First off Starrk is the Primera (1) Espada while Yammy released form is the Cero (0) Espada. Starrk's reflexes are above Kenpachi's and yet he was caught and defeated by his Shikai, which is hax.. Your argument is that Kenpachi can dodge them/slash back, which is preposterous because he doesn't dodge attacks period lulz.

You're saying Shunsui is weaker because he relies on his Zanpakuto, which is what everyone in the Gotei 13 relies on too.. You are making no sense, Kenpachi's potential is the 3rd greatest in the series (Ichigo, Toshiro) so eventually he shall surpass Kyoraku, but as of right now he isn't stronger nor can he defeat him..

My fault I read it wrong he said she was part of the original gotei 13 witch was the strongest...An he said this on ch.523 pg20..who has she fought she fought zaraki an was no match for his true power..kenpachi right now is on a hole new level you just don't get it the first kenpachi who knew every fighting style an flow an invented the art of killing could not even beat him when he was a kid..an she has been captain over a thousand years an she still lost to him an he did not even have shikai or bankai..

Starks reflexes are above zaraki's lol please stop yea they wer better befor he went threw his training..as his training kept going his reflexes kept getting better as he said on ch.525 pg12..an when he fought unohana as a kid he left her no openings at all really..if she had a hard time cutting him what makes you think kyoraku can land a clean hit?

Every time I see kyoraku fighting an opponent he always taking forever while kenpachi beating his opponent ass...kyoraku had to get help from ukitake smh while kenpachi beating Yammy down I'm like HURRY UP KYORAKU he lucky stark got rid of his cero guns smh...kyoraku fighting the Quincy taking forever to win while kenpachi slaying Quincy back to back I'm like HURRY UP KUORAKU..

Yea that makes kenpachi stronger he never relies on his sword abilities..let me see kyoraku take someone down without useing shikai I'm not talking chad ether...all of kenpachi opponents are lucky he did not have a shikai to use dam they should be happy they did not even go against his real true power cuz he would have beat them a lot quicker..an no kenpachi potential is 2nd greatest every one has been waiting for this moment.why you think central 46 was so scared? Why do you think Yamamoto trained him for one day cuz of fear he would get to strong? Huh it's because he is a monster.

 

[NLee]

Currently: Zaraki. No mental restraints, no eye patch, two hands, and his unnamed Shikai while screaming and laughing at the top of his lungs. Need I say more.

By the end of the manga: Ichigo

 

[crackpot]

My fault I read it wrong he said she was part of the original gotei 13 witch was the strongest...An he said this on ch.523 pg20..who has she fought she fought zaraki an was no match for his true power..kenpachi right now is on a hole new level you just don't get it the first kenpachi who knew every fighting style an flow an invented the art of killing could not even beat him when he was a kid..an she has been captain over a thousand years an she still lost to him an he did not even have shikai or bankai..

Starks reflexes are above zaraki's lol please stop yea they wer better befor he went threw his training..as his training kept going his reflexes kept getting better as he said on ch.525 pg12..an when he fought unohana as a kid he left her no openings at all really..if she had a hard time cutting him what makes you think kyoraku can land a clean hit?

Every time I see kyoraku fighting an opponent he always taking forever while kenpachi beating his opponent ass...kyoraku had to get help from ukitake smh while kenpachi beating Yammy down I'm like HURRY UP KYORAKU he lucky stark got rid of his cero guns smh...kyoraku fighting the Quincy taking forever to win while kenpachi slaying Quincy back to back I'm like HURRY UP KUORAKU..

Yea that makes kenpachi stronger he never relies on his sword abilities..let me see kyoraku take someone down without useing shikai I'm not talking chad ether...all of kenpachi opponents are lucky he did not have a shikai to use dam they should be happy they did not even go against his real true power cuz he would have beat them a lot quicker..an no kenpachi potential is 2nd greatest every one has been waiting for this moment.why you think central 46 was so scared? Why do you think Yamamoto trained him for one day cuz of fear he would get to strong? Huh it's because he is a monster.

Okay I think we need to get something straight I dont think Unohana said she was the Strongest Shinigami.....Because we know that Unohana wouldnt follow someone weaker than her. Unohana was the strongest in Zanjutsu which is swordsmanship and Zaraki surpassed her in that...... not the other aspects of a shinigami. With Shunsuis skill in all fighting styles(Hohou, Zanjutsu, Hakuda and Kido) he will maim Zaraki period.

Like I said before Zaraki rushes into battle without knowing his opponent but Shunsui is that analytical person who looks at a opponents ability finds a weakness and attacks it which is why his battles are longer. Which is why Shunsui is the better fighter and which is why Zaraki wont stand a chance against him. Zaraki will slash and slash and just take hits without giving them to Shunsui.

Actually not relying on his swords ability makes Zaraki weaker than Shunsui sorry. And central 46 were scared because they are stupid and dont think about things, they just rush into everything making everything worse look at what they did to Urahara and the Visords didnt know what to do so tried to kill them. Zaraki has skill in one aspect the rest is his downfall. You dont expect a person who is good in one aspect to be better than a guy who has skill in all.

And stop using his "training" as an excuse to say that he is better in everything..... All we know is that his skill in swordfighting is a lot better, his speed and strength has not increased from what we know so stop saying everything like you know what is happening.

 

[Strawberry]

a revived byakuya

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Okay I think we need to get something straight I dont think Unohana said she was the Strongest Shinigami.....Because we know that Unohana wouldnt follow someone weaker than her. Unohana was the strongest in Zanjutsu which is swordsmanship and Zaraki surpassed her in that...... not the other aspects of a shinigami. With Shunsuis skill in all fighting styles(Hohou, Zanjutsu, Hakuda and Kido) he will maim Zaraki period.

Like I said before Zaraki rushes into battle without knowing his opponent but Shunsui is that analytical person who looks at a opponents ability finds a weakness and attacks it which is why his battles are longer. Which is why Shunsui is the better fighter and which is why Zaraki wont stand a chance against him. Zaraki will slash and slash and just take hits without giving them to Shunsui.

Actually not relying on his swords ability makes Zaraki weaker than Shunsui sorry. And central 46 were scared because they are stupid and dont think about things, they just rush into everything making everything worse look at what they did to Urahara and the Visords didnt know what to do so tried to kill them. Zaraki has skill in one aspect the rest is his downfall. You dont expect a person who is good in one aspect to be better than a guy who has skill in all.

And stop using his "training" as an excuse to say that he is better in everything..... All we know is that his skill in swordfighting is a lot better, his speed and strength has not increased from what we know so stop saying everything like you know what is happening.

Wtf did I just read?..I corrected my self she was not the strongest but she was part of the strongest group..kyoraku can have all that kido an stuff (witch he barely use) it will be over powerd kenpachi not gone sit there an get hit by kido.

None of kenpachi opponents has had a weekness ichigo,nnoritra,yammy,unohana..the only one that forced him to think was tosen an he succeeded in beating his ass..kenpachi himself really has no weakness he's super tough an his zanjutsu is close to being perfect an his reflexes are better than usual an he has good instinct plus he's about to gain a shikai lol there is no weakness an he knows that stuff Yamamoto taught him he don't need kido spells...zaraki won't stand a chance please stop making ur self sound stupid how is he not gone slash shunsui when his zanjutsu is the best if any thing kyoraku better hope he can get a slash in.

Kenpachi not relying on his sword ability an still beating strong opponents while kyoraku is useing his sword an still struggling how does that make kenpachi seem weaker explain?he now has a sword to rely on now witch is over kill..central 46 did not try to kill urahara only the vizards they wer turning into hollows might as well just got rid of them that was a smart choice..gai is only skilled in taijutsu while Kakashi has skill in every area an they still see them selves as rivals meaning even (just something I wanted to being up).

What you mean his strength did not increase unohana said it did wtf..and he said his reflexes got better inoreder to have good reflexes you have to be quick even if he can just swing his sword faster he still got faster in a way....manga says it all not me

 

[kotoamatsukami]

a revived byakuya

I'm wit u on dis one.