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Great explanation. Very thorough. Think you've hit the nail on the head...Not sure Hashirama looking up at the moon is significant though.
[Theory] The Reason Why Madara Survived The Battle With Hashirama (Solved)
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Great theory!!! As always ^.^ I agree and I felt the same when Hashirama looked at the moon I thought Genjutsu!!!! Lol
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Very nice additions, as to be expected. Your theory is really beginning to take a form so much so that makes it hard to argue against lol. Every time I critic a theory I always like to find something disagreeable with it in order to promote additional thinking but I think you've pretty much got it solid. Only thing I can do now is nit pick x__x lol
! point of contension:
If his eye did make the [fwip] sound after getting stabbed, then doesnt that point more towards the usage of Izangi in order to keep himself alive rather than, my original theory that he used Izanami, or yours which is his use of tsukuyomi (As if it was tsukuyomi then Madara's original body would show the [fwip] and not his fake genjutsu body that only exist within Hashirama's mind).
It is also possible that the sword was missing because Hashirama removed it, he really has no business leaving his sword in Madara's dead body x__x
But yes given the sparkle effect use and the fwip there is definantly some funny business going on that involves genjutsu.
! point of contension:
If his eye did make the [fwip] sound after getting stabbed, then doesnt that point more towards the usage of Izangi in order to keep himself alive rather than, my original theory that he used Izanami, or yours which is his use of tsukuyomi (As if it was tsukuyomi then Madara's original body would show the [fwip] and not his fake genjutsu body that only exist within Hashirama's mind).
It is also possible that the sword was missing because Hashirama removed it, he really has no business leaving his sword in Madara's dead body x__x
But yes given the sparkle effect use and the fwip there is definantly some funny business going on that involves genjutsu.
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If it was Izanagi then Madara would have left unscathed but he didn't, also Izanagi requires both Senju+Uchiha DNA to use which Madara still didn't have during that time, about the sword, it was seen the moment Madara fell to the ground and immediately vanished after Hashirama fell on his knees, the interval of which was only seconds so it's impossible that Hashirama had pulled the sword already in the following panel.
I wanted to make a thread on this Genjutsu, but decided not to, as it would have created nothing but retcons. The most convincing factor is Madara switching off his EMS, which makes no sense at all given the fact that Hashirama can fool him with Mokuton clones at 3T level. I agree.
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Hashirama was low on chakra, thus the vulnerability.
But why did he look upward? Madara was laying on the ground, if it was exhaustion, then the instinctual action would be to bow down since looking upward exerts more energy going against gravity's pull.
That wouldn't explain why Madara did use that chance to kill Hashirama. Madara was attacking with intent to kill. Plus, you are forgetting that Hashirama is the God of all Ninja for a reason, if he was dumb enough to fall for a genjutsu that is an insult to his inteligence.
He was certain he had killed Madara, if he fell for a genjutsu and never once began to doubt it that would mean he was a complete moron.
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He's not the sharpest shed in the tool you know, despite his strength. And it was a last ditch effort for Madara to escape death, it wasn't intended to kill Hashirama because it couldn't.
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The Genjutsu was a last ditch effort of Madara to escape certain death from the wound, the wound that the sword created was very much real, the Genjutsu that was involved facilitated Madara's escape.
Okay this makes a lot of sense. When you take this into account it is a great theory.
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Madara didnt leave unscathed? I know it says that he barely survived the battle but what makes you think he didnt leave unscathed. I too recall when madara said he left the battle on the verge of death but who is to say he wasnt talking about prior to him using Izangi, you know when he almost died.
Wait Izangi requires both Senju and Uchiha DNA? I dont think that is true considering Uchiha have been using Izangi for a very very long time so much so that it forced the creation of Izanami in order to get people to stop relying on Izangi. if it were true then that would be hundreds of uchiha had senju DNA prior to Madara.
I think your assumptions of seconds could be premature, In one scan we see Madara on the floor with a sword in him, then Hashirama notices something, looks at it, and then the next scan we seen him kneeling down over Madara, one can only assume it was a slow kneel as he had just killed his old friend. And granted that the last time he noticed something, Madara outside his window when he was talking to Tobirama, I can assume that he observed whatever he had noticed for Atleast 5 seconds although it could be alot more. Given the fact that it probably took him 3 seconds to kneel down and perhaps a 2-3 second window prior to Madara falling for Hashirama to notice what he noticed with have a 10 second window for the sword to dissapear.
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