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The manga was good. At least they'll close to going back to the Hokages and Sasuke in the Great Shinobi War.
[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 625 Discussion and 626 Predictions
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Wow you're being stupid for real! When did i say that i hate Sasuke? Do you know how to read much? Sasuke is my favorite character along with Naruto and Itachi. Still i'm not talking about power-wise who's stronger. I'm talking about their goals, because if you think about it. Madara isn't evil for a stupid reason it's completely reasonable that he wants this peace i assume by the Eye of the Moon, which i'm starting to wonder if that's all a hokes. Still, maybe, Madara might not even care about humanity at all. He might have been resuscitated with a new purpose which is to use the Juubi for himself to become the ruler of the world by making everyone in the world suffer his deep pain and his sense of not accomplishing his goals. He will take those frustrations with the Alliance, because it's the right thing for him. I sympathize with Madara because he lost everything. Despite, Tobimara taking away from Madara his only brother. He was willing to put his differences with the Senju aside to guide Konoha, which was strip away from him. Sasuke doesn't have to forgive Konoha, but at least Sasuke has people that care about him. The same can't be said about Madara.
Sasuke lost his whole family, his clan and was trick into hating and killing his older brother(because if he knew the truth, Sasuke wouldn't been disappointed with Itachi, but wouldn't waste his last moments hating him and smiling when he die) and my point is give him a while before he can come up with a goal or plan on what to do(that is what he trying to figure out right now dude), dame the guy is only 16 years old, Madara didn't run his clan until he was around Itachi age(19 to 25 years old).
Madara and his clan was at war with Senju, so everything before was fair game(I am sure Madara kill alot of Senju and their brothers). Also Madara left because his clan didn't want to war anymore and knew he only wanted to have the clan leave because he wasn't going to be Hokage(Madara didn't want to lose his pull and power with his clan and was mad when the clan member said no, from leaving the village).
Sasuke from age of 8 grew up a orphan because of village and had no clan because of the village and he love his clan and the village. Madara only love his clan if he was top dog and never love the village system. Even with him being half right about what would happen if Tobimara become Hokage, he set the trail up for his clan to be wipe out, because he wanted to end up right.
Itachi was right about Madara being nothing but a bitter loser and Sasuke is go to surpass him as soon as he come up with a plan to take over the ninja world. Also fav characters don't have nothing to do with hating on one character, to blow up another, because my fav character are Itachi, Nagato and Shikamaru(even when now Kishi is water downing ever character other than Nine tale steriods Naruto and Sasuke).
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This isn't me comparing on who's hatred should be bigger against Konoha. Regardless if the Senju and Uchiha had war and everything was fair game. Tobirama shouldn't have involved himself with Hashirama's proposal of Madara being the 1st Hokage. Although it does get pathetic to notice that each person turns evil because of a job position. Still Madara did name the village; and he was actually warming up to the good side-- it was Tobirama that felt jealous because of how much attention Hashirama placed on Madara. I guess the part that i can blame Madara is for obsessing the dangers that Uchiha could possibly face, but at the same time it was Hashirama that gave Madara, the title of "Hokage" because he was just showing Madara that he trusted him. I guess Madara felt betrayed by Hashirama and his over paranoia started to kick in. He feared that Tobirama would be elected as the 2nd Hokage. He wanted the Uchiha's to leave with him, because he felt Tobirama would persecute them without having second thoughts. Let me also add that nobody trusted him, his clansmen gave him the cold shoulder, and most of all i think he felt lonely deep down.
am not going to comment on this manga chapter specifically but i just wanna point out that we really need to appreciate the genius of Kishimoto in developing such an intricate background of a story! one can see how its like pieces of a puzzle falling into place one by one!!! i give a personal standing ovation to one Sensei Masashi Kishimoto!!!
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For the first time I would say that I can of like this chap even though it didn't have any fighting episode in it . Also not more threads of madara and hashirama we all finally found out happened now and next weeks chap i so clear that madara is going to leave and go get the kyubi then fight hashirama at the valley of death how he get his DNA is still lost to me and I hope kishi doesn't go and start showing the whole again really going back to the real time.
Your whole point of sympathize with Madara more than Sasuke is because you feel some what more bad for one, base on who you think had it harder(so I guess it is about, who should have more hate or it's OK to hate, what are you talking about dude, you do know what sympathize mean right).
Tobirama didn't do anything wrong, by telling his brother that more people want a good guy(who also is the strongest ninja in the ninjaverse), to be Hokage and they should vote on it and he shouldn't start off being a dictator(it's was other clan to consider, who problemly would of only been on board with the village thing, if he was Hokage) and for Madara to turn full evil just for that mean it was the right choice.
Also Tobirama might of been racist and try to make the Uchiha less of a factor in the village, but Madara is the one to set it off to make the Uchiha look worse with his attack on the village and later with having Tobi Obito Uchiha attack, causing tension on the Uchiha even more and getting them wipe out because of his plan, which was long after Tobirama was dead.
I believe if Madara just let Hashimara be first Hokage and change his image, it would been no way with him also being a founder, Hashimara being Hokage and his power, that he wouldn't been voted the second Hokage and if not than he could go ahead and set it off. But no he didn't even give a try for a second or just leave and become a lone wolf. But he plan on day one after finding out, that he wasn't going to be Hokage, that he going to get back at the village and than later Madara came up with a way to enslave the world, where he will be one and only ruler(sound like a evil ditator to me).
Where Sasuke on the other hand could of grow up to be a Hokage(because he was a true good guy like Nagato and like Nagato, didn't turn to the darkside because he can gain power or to rule the ninja world), but find out that the village of now is build on Uchiha blood and have a real reason to bury the ninja system, that he think is base on lies.
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I think tobirama did more bad than good not only to konoha but the hole world he created the final vilain the strongest of them all too i it weren't for tobirama we wouldn't have to deal with this shit and somewhere naruto would't be like is was today (the manga and story not the character)if you ask me its a 5/5 because the flashbacks are coming to an end 
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No, Tobirama was against the idea of allowing Madara to take the seat, instead he felt that Hashirama deserved it. I'm not sure why Tobirama couldn't just give Madara a chance. I mean after Madara and Hashirama were surrounded by their respective clans while shaking hands-- it should have been known that evil didn't exist at that point. Madara at that point felt that invading Konoha from the Senju was the best option, since he overheard the conversation between the two. Madara most likely felt that Hashirama was promising him all these things. I believe Madara felt glad that Hashirama gave him all these opportunities to show the signs of trust; but once Hashirama agreed on the democracy system to elect the Hokage's through the Feudal Lords & citizens-- that's where everything went south. I mean to me that's a bunch of hypocrisy, because all the Hokage's after Hashirama weren't chosen by the Feudal Lords & citizens. For example, Kakashi was chosen to be the next temporary Hokage until Tsunade recovered from coma. Why didn't they hold an election between Kakashi and Danzo? Why didn't the people get to choose? I don't care what difficult times were happening at the Leaf. Tsunade's acceptance to the seat was more acceptable, because Jiraiya turned down the idea. Honestly, Jiraiya doesn't fit the Hokage role at all. The thing about is that Danzo came to sneak in for an opportunity to steal Tsunade's spot, but why no elections? It's all BS! About Madara being the ruler of the world, maybe he decided for an alternative idea, once he resuscitated from Edo Tensei. Madara possibly doesn't want to see a world of peace anymore; but instead a world of bloodshed where everyone sufferers for eternity.
Now about Sasuke. I don't understand why you keep going after me in regards to Sasuke, because i already know the suffering he went through for the last eight years of his life. I just feel that after defeating Danzo. Sasuke doesn't really have much to do anymore. I guess he could kill the remaining elders; but i feel that Sasuke should just join the Alliance. He should battle Madara and Obito to finally prove himself even more redeemable. He stopped Kabuto with Itachi so that's a first, but he needs a bigger role for this arc which is ending. Sasuke going after the remaining elders would be pointless, because it's not the main importance anymore. Everyone else wouldn't care too much about Sasuke further plotting his revenge. He already defeated the main culprit which was Danzo. When Sasuke defeated him. I also check the comments on everyone's else cruchyroll or whatever else site. They felt happy that Sasuke got his revenge, but many people started to argue at the same time that Sasuke should just quit the revenge nonsense. Let's say if Sasuke did go through with the idea to eliminate the remaining elders. Does Sasuke have a reason to have revenge against anyone else, aside Madara and Obito? No. Sasuke got his answers from Itachi. Sasuke managed to see his brothers and they both got through the beef against each other. Sasuke is even lucky to see Itachi. Sad that Madara didn't get the same opportunity. Both these ninjas have suffered a lot, whether Sasuke's was a more difficult experience is debatable, since he is a main character i will go with him. The difference here is Sasuke had people to turn himself for assistance. Madara had no one to turn himself for help. When i said i feel sympathy for Madara is because the guy went through hell alone. Now if we wanna talk about Obito, he's pathetic.
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Its quite an observation
Anyway on the logical note,its an possible since they both appear the same age and the scare on kawarama's cheek is a battle mark,not a birth mark so this is a speculation which has possibilty.U_U
He wasn't a bigot, he didn't like the Uchiha, yes that's true but that hatred was bourne through countless wars in his youth, when the village was finally created, Tobirama realised that the Uchiha's power came from hatred. He is only thinking of the village, it's a bit like having a T-rex as a pet and hoping it doesn't eat you!
Tobirama only wants saftey, security and longevity for the village and fire counrty, he clearly sees no other destiny for the Uchiha than a clan of war. He is later proved right when Itachi had to slaughter the clan to stop the coupe' ! In my opinion, if Tobi had just kept his mouth shut and let Hashi elect Madara as Hokage then work with him I truly believe the Uchiha and Konoha would have prospered. Hashirama was the only one who could have made that possible. Unfortunately Tobirama didn't have enough faith in Hashi and only saw the Uchihas situation as black and white.
Sad really.
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First fight was after Izuna died and Madara had EMS so he tried to take Hashi out before the village was created, remember Madara stopped Hashi from killing himself and that's what lead to the truce between both the clans, second was after he left this village (this chapter) and came back in control of the kyuubi to defeat Hashi and take control of Konoha.
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Dude are you brain dead, after finding out that it was go to be a election and most of the village wanted Hashimara to be Hokage, Madara show the true color of his heart(and it's is black). Name one of the five Hokage, who would of turn evil and try to bury the village, because he didn't get pick to be Hokage. In this case Tobirama was right(even if he was a racist). Tobirama knew Madara had evil inside him, even if Hashimara couldn't see it(just like the 3th Hokage past over Oroachimaru for the fourth, because he seen evil in his heart) and right on time, which took about a day Madara was full evil(because if it ain't his way, it's the highway).
Also Danzo pull a Bush move, by scaring everyone and making Tsunade look like a failer, cause he would of been voted Hokage, because he would be more cold blooded to villain, instead of this first Hokage nice crap(sound like someone) and still people wanted to vote Kakashi to be the 6th Hokage.
Also it's more than just Danzo, behind the reason that the Uchiha clan, Sasuke parent and his brother are dead(that why Sasuke getting the whole story, so do you understand what you are reading). Danzo even told him what Itachi did was what ninja do to keep peace, in the ninja system(that why Sasuke is either going to destroy the old ninja system and create a new system where he on top, by using force or take the world back where clans was against ever other clan, who wasn't theirs). Also who is all these people who think that Sasuke should be pro village, help kill the last Uchiha's and save the world sweet heart, because they are living in their own Uchiha matix(because that would be the worse plot in the history of any manga).
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~ I totally agre. A lot of people don't appreciate the great storyline and plot kishi has made. This manga is one of the best due to its plot, imagination, and its unique way of of connecting to real life situations such as the struggle to maintain peace. I've already found a solution to peace, but everyone isn't going to follow that path so easily until they stop caring about just themselves. Many people dog this manga, but I believe kishi is going somewhere with it. Kishi, me and many others have great minds and see the true meaning of life. Great minds really do think alike if u think about it. I hope whenever I decide to publish and release a novel series or manga that it won't get disrespected or negatively influenced. ~
~ Sadly, over 90% of the people on earth don't even realize how brainwashed they are and how easily the can be pulled in towards things such as mangas or tv without them even realizing it. People like kishi understand how gullible people are and are getting very rich from the things they make and sell. Well, i'm outside the circle of fools; those who reside in the last 10% are wise and don't bandwagon everything that the world has to offer. ~
~ With that said, everyone enjoy the Base and enjoy manga without the bashing
. ~Yea because you don't have a big ego right and you and Kishi is soul mate, when it come to knowing the world and everything in it. Man this is just a manga and you are not a real life Naruto, so calm down and come back to the real world. Also nobody know what type of man Kishi is, just because he wrote a manga(which is one of the best). First you have to learn how to be open minded, understanding and selfless, before you start to act like some know it all good guy.~ I totally agre. A lot of people don't appreciate the great storyline and plot kishi has made. This manga is one of the best due to its plot, imagination, and its unique way of of connecting to real life situations such as the struggle to maintain peace. I've already found a solution to peace, but everyone isn't going to follow that path so easily until they stop caring about just themselves. Many people dog this manga, but I believe kishi is going somewhere with it. Kishi, me and many others have great minds and see the true meaning of life. Great minds really do think alike if u think about it. I hope whenever I decide to publish and release a novel series or manga that it won't get disrespected or negatively influenced. ~
~ Sadly, over 90% of the people on earth don't even realize how brainwashed they are and how easily the can be pulled in towards things such as mangas or tv without them even realizing it. People like kishi understand how gullible people are and are getting very rich from the things they make and sell. Well, i'm outside the circle of fools; those who reside in the last 10% are wise and don't bandwagon everything that the world has to offer. ~
~ With that said, everyone enjoy the Base and enjoy manga without the bashing
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Yes i'm brain dead right now, because when you reply to me i feel that i don't get where you're getting at now. What are you trying to prove? The minute i mentioned Sasuke which it wasn't that serious. You began to have a problem with it.
Sasuke can do so minimal to change the ninja system, but he's no angel to completely overturn those rules. What they should do is negotiate with the citizens of their own respective village to avoid any civil wars. Danzo put the false blame on the Uchiha's because he just wanted the power from this clan. He didn't care what methods he had to use against them. People say that Danzo deep down has deep interest for Konoha's safety, which frankly i don't see any loyalty that exudes from him. Just some jealous punk that couldn't beat Hiruzen, so he decides to be an anti-hero in order to play gimmick long enough to have plans to make the leaf completely abide by his rule.
When you think about it. Konoha was founded by the Senju and Uchiha, not the Senju alone. Perhaps if Naruto was beside Sasuke to hear the story. He could understand why Sasuke is against Konoha. The discrimination for the Uchiha has been catastrophic to put a scale on it. If Sasuke wants to destroy the village by all means fine and let him also kill the elders. All i know is that you have a different opinion and i have my own. I feel Tobirama is the Senju who caused a lot of problems for the Uchiha's. Didn't you see the way he talked to Sasuke? So because he is from the Uchiha Clan, he is the embodiment of hatred? The difference is that Sasuke only uses his hatred to survive and it's also a part of him in quest for more power. Also the deep lost memories of his clan made Sasuke this evil in the first place. Now, Tobirama can talk all about hatred, but if he met Itachi and Shisui. He would be in the surprise of his life to realize that all Uchiha's don't circulate on hatred. When he was going to attack by saying "I'm going too" it just meant he wasn't going to hesitate on killing Sasuke. You see his way of expressing himself was totally out of order. Sasuke could have destroyed the village already before resurrecting the Kages, but he said depending on their story-- that's how he will make his decision whether to go with it. Tobimara could have said "good at least your willing to hear through reasoning." Tobirama just has pure hatred for the Uchiha Clan that's all. When you take someone precious from the Uchiha's that's when the change starts to take process. I find it laughable that people believe that Tobirama had the best interest for the Uchiha. I think he had the best interest for his own clan. He could really give a crap about the Uchiha to be honest. People seem to forget this started from the Elder Son, not Madara Uchiha. The problem is the Uchiha's don't take rejection and losses that easily without losing their minds. There's only a few capable of such outstanding opposition mainly Itachi and Shisui are primary examples.
Remember in the Kabuto fight? Kabuto told Sasuke that he was in path that was constructed by Itachi. Despite Itachi's best intentions with Sasuke to make him strong enough to defend himself against Danzo, Orochimaru, etc.. Itachi was also a reason for Sasuke to have a tough path in life. Not only didn't Itachi recognize the error of his ways when he dealing with Sasuke, but he also never acknowledged Sasuke's ideas. Sasuke was missing his brother recognition it took so long for Itachi to open up about his mistake on how he treated Sasuke. You see if Itachi wasn't involved in Sasuke's path. Sasuke would have never been this villain in the first place. Sure that doesn't disregard the fact that he could've discovered these secrets on his own. My point is that Itachi was motivating him to accept hatred in order to be powerful. Konoha is messed up for their democracy as a whole to use a clan that served them only to receive bloodshed in return. Madara and Obito are also responsible for the Uchiha's final demise, because at that point of the story. The remaining Uchiha were traitors in their eyes. Sasuke should focus less on Konoha and put his attention on Madara.
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