[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 625 Discussion and 626 Predictions

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So Tobirama was responsible for madara going insane.No wonder he shit his pants when he sensed madara's chakra.
tobirama isnt afraid of madara man do you see him scared? no he shows no fear in him he just doesnt see what hashirama sees in madara he didnt train and become his closes friend like hashirama did that is the truth behind it. tobirama has his fathers will of fire where he believes all uchihas are bad because of their war thats why tobirama dont like madara not fear in him
 
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i wish i could give it a ten...didnt see that coming with madara and hashi and he wanted madara to be the first hokage?!?and tobirama the mad hater maybe he was jealous of hashi and madara's relationship seems like tobirama is the real reason madara went rogue very interesting
 

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So Madara cud have been the 1st Hokage if Hashirama had his way! Interesting.
Also Tobirama contributed to Madara leaving the village!
Wonder what Sasuke's decision would be!
Sasuke will just attribute all of the blame to Tobirama and kill him not before Hashirama gets in the way and we have an Orochimaru and Sasuke vs Hashirama and Tobirama. But that could not happen since Orochimaru controls Tobirama! xd
So it would actually be Orochimaru and Sasuke vs Hashirama.
 

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Why are people so dumb. Tobirama didn't cause this and tobirama wasn't planning on exterminating the uchiha. Madara said that tobi would. And alot of people seem to think that tobi was racist or hitler-esque. But his actions tell a different story. His opinion was formed based in fact and what he had seen from madara during the war. Tobirama didn't seem to have any issues with an uchiha being a member of his squad. And he gave them a high ranking position by putting them in charge of the police force. In truth Tobirama hates evil uchiha and has no problems with the good ones. Tobirama was an excellent hokage
 
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Madara predicted the outcome of the whole thing simply by observing the movements of the village. Remember he said he was coming back for revenge. Im assuming this was around the same time he learned about the nine tails, Itachi causes the massacre, meaning that this must have happened in secrecy between Tobirama and Sarutobi, But then at the same time, I think Minato was probably still a jonin when he was training his team., Since Jariaya was opted for the role of Fourth hokage and decided Minato should be the one to talk his position. What Im saying really is, the whole thing seems to follow the whole path of deception, as the senju and uchiha saw that Hashirama was the reason for the clans nbanding together, when it was a test between two old friends. Madara saw that Hashirama was willing to give his life for his brothers, and also realized he was not willing to stay and fight with his clan even though the attack on the village was imminent. Instead of waiting and proven the village wrong, he left and in turn created the reason for the clans extinction. This would be around the time that Tobirama and Sarutobi were hokage, and in Obitos attack during time of Sarutobi and Minato, Im assuming that the villages decided the Uchiha were a threat after the second attack, which opted itachi during the Sarutobi and Tsunade/Danzo term to exterminate the clan, when they realized itachi had spared Sasuke, they decided to place him on the same team as Naruto for the fact that Uchiha are the only known clan to be able to summon and control the tailed beast. Whatever the outcome is, Madara was the reason that the Leaf had the most effective team in the Leaf village. The Uchiha Sasuke and Jinchuuriki Naruto, Im assuming Sasuke will be the one to control the Nine tail Naruto as Naruto's conscience effectively controls the use of chakra from the inside of Kurama.


THIS IS GETTING EPIC!!!!!!!!

I have so many ideas and predictions from this....
 
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Not sure why people are hating on Tobirama and saying he hated the Uchiha. In case you forgot, he sacrificed his life to save his teammates who one of them was an Uchiha.
 
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This makes madara in league with sasuke, as madara felt he needed to be the bad guy so the village can grow like how the tablet says it "two opposing forces working together to create real happiness". Just like how sasuke felt he existed to destroy the village, just like how itachi wanted to protect the village. Now sasuke met his brother again, and was told whatever path he took, itachi will always love him forever.
This. He defected and left on his own for the greater good of the village, hence the table quote that Madara explained to Hashi. Madara understood Tobirama's point, and summarized it to Hashi that the clan doesn't trust him anymore (because of his past actions and all), etc, so because he knows Hashi so well, he did this.
 

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Tobirama was not at fault here.

Madara though seems to have the ULTIMATE eye of insight and foresaw the things to come. I do not believe that he actually stopped believing in a future where children can grow up in peace.

Instead he looked at the tablet and realized: In order for there to be an ultimate peace the yin and yang must be combined.

However that can only happen when these two are faced with a great evil. In short for the ultimate good, the great peace, to come someone must become the ULTIMATE EVIL. One can not exist without the other.

So, since Madara saw his future and how the peace of Konoha was brittle he decided to become the agent that brings peace through evil.

He was still good, but he chose evil. Problem is that evil corrupts eventually, even if your intentions were good.
 

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What else we should find out in these flashback:
- Were have the Senju's gone?
- How hashirama died? (Maybe that can be explained by Madara)
- There last fight in mroe detail
- What happened to Madara & Hashirama after the fight - e.g - Madara getting Hashirama DNA

Tobirama was to blame for Madara turning insane. Madara would of been fine with the democracy thing, but, it's what Tobirama said about the Uchiha clan that angered him. Hashirama edo attitude is nothing like his younger attitude, it's as if he is high right now....
 

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great chapter..!! kinda enjoy this flashback.. and i think it will need 2 or 3 chapter more, i just wanna know what reason orochimaru and sasuke brought minato back from death..?? does sasuke wanna know the meaning about the village and clan from minato's view??? there's 4 hokage and so far we have just heard some stories from hashi, tobirama and sarutobi... what minato bussiness here..??
 

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Good chapter, a load of twist and turn. Madara showed Hashirama the Uchiha tablet?! Hashirama wanted Madara to take the lead but Tobirama wanted the leadership in Senju hands. Sometimes democracy isn't the best methode to achieve true peace. Kishimoto did good this week!
yeah sometimes, Democracy isn't the right option . if i where Hashirama,i would have rejected the offer and hand it over to uchiha madara as a sign of trust and sign to tighten the bond of friendship they once had. if it was Naruto, he would have given up the title of the hokage just to save sasuke. after all, naruto said what's the need for the title of a hokage when he couldn't save just one friend.
 
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I can sympathize with Madara more so than Sasuke at this point. Nobody in his clan trust him, Tobimara is the reason for Madara's corruption because he wanted a democracy having nothing to do with the Uchiha's, and Madara's defection was really stale compare to Sasuke.
Yea because Sasuke having the village put the hit out on him, his family, clan and used his older brother to do the job(which Itachi couldn't kill him because he love Sasuke more than anything). Set Sasuke up to be a orphan and hate his brother, because he believe he is power hungry villian(instead of atleast to the other in the village, some way a sick hero), than he end up killing his only family member left, because he got play by the village. So I guess you right, Sasuke shouldn't get any sympathy, so I hope your goverment put the hit out on you, your family, race and use a member of your family to do the duty, because I can say "who give a dame he still kissing the flag".

Madara lost his family in war with his rival clan, before Senju & Uchiha join together(not being play, back stab or lie to) and the Uchiha clan didn't trust Madara, because they thought he kill his brother to get EMS. I like Madara, but Sasuke have more reason to get back at the village or try to take over the ninja world, with force(anything else, would be bull sh#t).
 
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"No one lieks me.. so I'm LEAVING! >:c"
Madara tried to persuade his clansmen to leave Konoha NOT because he couldn't get himself chosen as Hokage, but because he foresaw that there is no place for his clansmen under Tobirama's reign. But since no one in his clan bought his argument, he left the village alone.

Tobirama is basically a replica of Danzou. All his oppressive and uncompromising methods will end up creating more enemies for Konoha from within and outside of the village. In any case, instead of trying to break the chain of hatred like how Hashirama and Madara were trying to achieve, Tobirama served to propagate and sustain that chain of hatred.

In simple terms, Tobirama is a bigot, but obviously there are people who worship bigots.
 
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