[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 625 Discussion and 626 Predictions

[shica]

hmm so thats how the story goes interesting let's see what kishi is going to do next

 

[shica]

Madara tried to persuade his clansmen to leave Konoha NOT because he couldn't get himself chosen as Hokage, but because he foresaw that there is no place for his clansmen under Tobirama's reign. But since no one in his clan bought his argument, he left the village alone.so if you really look at it madara did the right thing poor guy if only his clan saw the way that he did the clan would have still been there WHAT A DRAGGG

 

[zphone]

Not one of the better flashbacks, but at least it shows possibly why Madara defected from the Leaf. Will be interesting to see what the next chapter will reveal.

 

[abiolaa1]

For me it was 5. This chapter was awesome and i liked it. I hope we get to see madara train as he becomes evil and also see the continue fight between him and hashirama. Kishi pls carry on. Thought i hate the unnecessary flash back in the anime and also d fillers

 

[kyndig15145]

This was a very good chapter but I gave it a 3/5 because Kishi wasted a lot of spaces just so that he could keep pushing the flash backs for longer period... now this flash backs will end in 2 weeks for me Zzz.... However this chapter explained quite a lot to me:

It showed how much Hashirama actually regards Madara; even after defeating Madara, he would rather kill himself rather than take Madara and the loosing party's life. There after, they both showed love and respect to each other and made the village (as they said it was mainly built by Hashirama, since he has the wood technique) but Hashirama would then unselfishly let Madara name the village. Later Hashirama thought of the position of a Hokage so that Madara could take more glory, but because of the situation (due to Madara loosing his credibility) Tobirama managed to force his ideology on his brother about letting village decide and all that (I think Hashirama is too soft in every way).

Madara was not born evil, just like Tobirama said before, the Uchiha's love is too entangling as we saw with the choices he made because of his lost brothers by not keeping his friendship with Hashirama. Whereas I think that of the senju is relentless as we have seen with Hashirama..... Madara is a man who has fought all his life, he stomached a lot of things became strong but yet fell in battle to Hashirama and faced defeat, lost what he wanted to protect the most (Izuna Uchiha, his brother). All these things made him seem like a failure, and then to wrap it with him loosing the trust of his own clan is just to heavy.

WHY MADARA LEFT THE VILLAGE: Madara really liked Hashirama as a brother, so he didn't mind when hashirama was elected the hokage because he knew Hashirama had a good heart but as he said, it's just been like a silent war so somehow it showed that he was hurt by the villager regarding Hashirama more than him and putting him in the shadows. Hashirama knew this so he tried to make Madara feel better with the position of a 2nd hokage, but Madara was worried that after Hashirama, Tobirama his younger brother would be elected the 2nd hokage due to the fact that he seemed like a failure and also the village will choose Hashirama's blood brother compared to madara his acclaimed brother. Madara knew and could see what will happen to Uchiha clan if Tobirama would become the 2nd hokage...

:heh:Also another reason that Madara left is that; he saw the true meaning of what was on the stone because he had the better eyes. After looking at that stone, he realised that he could power up even more than where he is, and to do so, he had to go and train even more where he won't be seen, and then try to get the other side of the blood line (hence why he murdered the Uzumaki clans but if that didnt work for his experiment), so he would then come from outside to fight and try to defeat Hashirama and take his cells.

So his evil intents (i.e his newly found goal) plus Tobirama as an obstacle turned him inside out.

TBH, I think Hashirama will remove and collect all his cells back now that he has realised what has happened... there is a reason that Kishi made him unbound from edo tensei... when he meets madara he will surely collect it and Madara will feel naked hmm

We also forget that Hashirama can instantly heal himself without handsigns. So, he really wasn't risking anything. He just wanted to show everybody else that Madara wasn't "evil". He was completely safe. A great mind.....

 

[kyndig15145]

Madara tried to persuade his clansmen to leave Konoha NOT because he couldn't get himself chosen as Hokage, but because he foresaw that there is no place for his clansmen under Tobirama's reign. But since no one in his clan bought his argument, he left the village alone.so if you really look at it madara did the right thing poor guy if only his clan saw the way that he did the clan would have still been there WHAT A DRAGGG

I don't think that is what really happened because the Uchiha clan was going away from Madara because I think he knew they were trying take over the village. I really think that Madara kept fighting Hashirama because he was trying to force him to kill him. He wanted to have peace and he knew that after his brother died he didn't think it would happen. He missed Izuna and his other brothers he lost during all of the fighting and he didn't want to live in this world any longer. If you look at his actions they are not to take away people's free will but to make them live war free. His actions are kind of admirable but misguided by his grief and I think his feelings of betrayal by his clan and by his best friend.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

Yea because Sasuke having the village put the hit out on him, his family, clan and used his older brother to do the job(which Itachi couldn't kill him because he love Sasuke more than anything). Set Sasuke up to be a orphan and hate his brother, because he believe he is power hungry villian(instead of atleast to the other in the village, some way a sick hero), than he end up killing his only family member left, because he got play by the village. So I guess you right, Sasuke shouldn't get any sympathy, so I hope your goverment put the hit out on you, your family, race and use a member of your family to do the duty, because I can say "who give a dame he still kissing the flag".

Madara lost his family in war with his rival clan, before Senju & Uchiha join together(not being play, back stab or lie to) and the Uchiha clan didn't trust Madara, because they thought he kill his brother to get EMS. I like Madara, but Sasuke have more reason to get back at the village or try to take over the ninja world, with force(anything else, would be bull sh#t).

Listen, pal... I don't understand why you have to misinterpret my post, because i didn't say that Sasuke shouldn't get any sympathy at all. I'm just saying that Sasuke pretty much took his revenge when he defeated Danzo in the Kage Summit Arc. What's more is that the village is already destroyed, so what more destruction can the village have at this point? Itachi already told Sasuke what he felt in regards of him pursuing his villainous antics. You can recall the first time that Sasuke and Itachi reunited after their fight-- that it was Sasuke who said to the latter that he was the one responsible for making him a criminal. In fact, Sasuke didn't feel exhilarated about his past actions; but he did those actions because of the sorrowful feelings he felt about Itachi being used by Konoha. When Sasuke and Itachi joined forces to defeat Kabuto-- it was a fight that showed Itachi trying to slowly persuade Sasuke to change his mind. Sasuke was reluctant to hear Itachi completely, because he felt that revenge was his still his number one priority. Before Itachi vanished due to the effects of Edo Tensei's cancellation, you saw the flashbacks of what led to the Uchiha Massacre. Once Sasuke saw all that information he needed through a genjutsu via Itachi. He had a calm look because he found out the truth without feeling confused about the story itself. You saw Sasuke having that 'poor konoha' face when he saw how much it changed during his return. Sasuke is getting vulnerable and i believe that he will change soon.

The reason that i say sympathize with Madara more so than Sasuke is because he didn't have closure with that matter. Hashirama was actually not the problem it was Tobirama. When Madara overheard Tobirama saying that the people of Konoha don't trust him and that he won't get elected as Hokage. Madara took offense to the citizen's distrust over him, because he felt that he wasn't given a chance to prove himself. He then realized that being on the good side was detrimental to his personification. The only way he felt right was embracing hatred (such as Sasuke) but he was over the fact that he couldn't protect anyone, gain the trust of his fellow citizen's and losing the trust of his Uchiha clansmen. I pity Madara because at least Sasuke had people supporting him-- "thick and thin." The only person that supported Madara was Hashirama to a sense, but that wasn't enough for Madara.

 

[kyndig15145]

These flashbacks are setting the foundation for the confrontation between Madara and Hashirama regarding ending war in the Shinobi world which has been their dream since they were kids.

The loss of Madara's brothers has left him lonely and his percieved betrays from the Uchiha clan and Hashirama has sent him down this path. Uchiha's kicked him out of the clan and he thinks that Hashirama was going renig on him becoming the second Hokage, even though he knows what Tobirama was saying was true, the rest of the villlage was not going to let him become the 2nd Hokage. This situation is similar to how Danzo became Hokage, by using Genjitzu was the only way he would have become Hokage because no one trusted him.

Madara wants his and Hashirama's childhood dream of no war to come true or he wants Hashirama to kill him so he doesn't have to live in this Shinobi world.

 

[kyndig15145]

Listen, pal... I don't understand why you have to misinterpret my post, because i didn't say that Sasuke shouldn't get any sympathy at all. I'm just saying that Sasuke pretty much took his revenge when he defeated Danzo in the Kage Summit Arc. What's more is that the village is already destroyed, so what more destruction can the village have at this point? Itachi already told Sasuke what he felt in regards of him pursuing his villainous antics. You can recall the first time that Sasuke and Itachi reunited after their fight-- that it was Sasuke who said to the latter that he was the one responsible for making him a criminal. In fact, Sasuke didn't feel exhilarated about his past actions; but he did those actions because of the sorrowful feelings he felt about Itachi being used by Konoha. When Sasuke and Itachi joined forces to defeat Kabuto-- it was a fight that showed Itachi trying to slowly persuade Sasuke to change his mind. Sasuke was reluctant to hear Itachi completely, because he felt that revenge was his still his number one priority. Before Itachi vanished due to the effects of Edo Tensei's cancellation, you saw the flashbacks of what led to the Uchiha Massacre. Once Sasuke saw all that information he needed through a genjutsu via Itachi. He had a calm look because he found out the truth without feeling confused about the story itself. You saw Sasuke having that 'poor konoha' face when he saw how much it changed during his return. Sasuke is getting vulnerable and i believe that he will change soon.

The reason that i say sympathize with Madara more so than Sasuke is because he didn't have closure with that matter. Hashirama was actually not the problem it was Tobirama. When Madara overheard Tobirama saying that the people of Konoha don't trust him and that he won't get elected as Hokage. Madara took offense to the citizen's distrust over him, because he felt that he wasn't given a chance to prove himself. He then realized that being on the good side was detrimental to his personification. The only way he felt right was embracing hatred (such as Sasuke) but he was over the fact that he couldn't protect anyone, gain the trust of his fellow citizen's and losing the trust of his Uchiha clansmen. I pity Madara because at least Sasuke had people supporting him-- "thick and thin." The only person that supported Madara was Hashirama to a sense, but that wasn't enough for Madara.

I agree with you a that Hashirama is Madara advacate.

But, let's be perfectly clear, there is no way that Uchiha Sasuke can destroy the Leaf Village by himself. Ever. Madara and Tobi couldn't do it with the Nine-Tails fox as backup. Even if Oroshimaro helps Sasuke they can not destroy the Leaf Village.

So stop all of the worrying and speculating about what Sasuke will do, who cares. Naruto and the rest of the village will/can take care of them two.

Just stop it!

 

[schenka]

4/5

I liked seeing more on how the village came about and laughed at how Madara and Hashi name things...

But frick! Stupid Tobirama! If he wasn't so negative Hashi might have been able to work with Madara and continue to smooth everything out from the Uchiha and other clan sides...

*LeSigh*

 

[SiteSurvey]

This a good episode, I hope this is the end of the flash back.

 

[Nadruto]

I see many people here blaming Tobirama for Madara's actions. Madara is a grown man, he is responsible for everything he does. And Tobirama isn't wrong thinking the way he does either, its the way he was teached to think both by the war with the Uchiha, and by his father. And mostly, Tobirama is also right. The Uchiha are eternally bound by hate, there is only a few exceptions to that, like Itachi. He got strong without hate. But Madara simply just had it in him, and I feel like he is just using Tobirama as the excuse to justify going his own hateful ways.

 

[ericdayo26]

Ok, so Tobirama seemed to be the f* assh**e that screwed up madara's trust issues. But i really think he was right. They should have killed madara when they had the chance, because the uchiha are unstable people, most of them cant control their feelings of "Love". Which of kinda abnormal..
Anyway the flashbacks are getting boring, so hurry up with your answer Hashirama..get to the point already!

On a side note, Naruto has gotten stronger now that kurama became his friend, but I'm PREDICTING that kurama will eventually turn evil again when he gets the other half of his power back from the Death god's stomach.. now thats the real problem..
I dont think naruto stands a chance against Madara now that i think about it. Simply because when madara fought wiht Hashi, he was controlling the tailed beast at full power, plus susano.. how can naruto beat that? with only half of kurama's power on his command

 

[ShelteredSean]

I agree with you a that Hashirama is Madara advacate.

But, let's be perfectly clear, there is no way that Uchiha Sasuke can destroy the Leaf Village by himself. Ever. Madara and Tobi couldn't do it with the Nine-Tails fox as backup. Even if Oroshimaro helps Sasuke they can not destroy the Leaf Village.

So stop all of the worrying and speculating about what Sasuke will do, who cares. Naruto and the rest of the village will/can take care of them two.

Just stop it!

It's possible. Unlikely, but possible. Especially right now with the village being as vulnerable as ever

 

[djwakka]

I see where this is going. Sasuke's going to ask Naruto to relinquish his power and dream of becoming Hokage. Basically going to ask him to give up his dream. At least that'd be awesome for the character development.

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

Definitely not! Don't forget that twas Hashirama and Tobirama that trained a young Hiruzen.

Yeah the probably tuned him up but his may have already been a ninja

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

I agree with you a that Hashirama is Madara advacate.

But, let's be perfectly clear, there is no way that Uchiha Sasuke can destroy the Leaf Village by himself. Ever. Madara and Tobi couldn't do it with the Nine-Tails fox as backup. Even if Oroshimaro helps Sasuke they can not destroy the Leaf Village.

So stop all of the worrying and speculating about what Sasuke will do, who cares. Naruto and the rest of the village will/can take care of them two.

Just stop it!

Actually i don't understand why you're mentioning that i should stop worrying about Sasuke's future actions. Whatever Kishimoto decides for Sasuke is fine with me. The village as of now doesn't have any strong shinobi that can detain Sasuke, except the Hokages. Konoha is basically a playing ground for Sasuke to cause havoc until all his fury lingering inside his heart leaves. I'm just saying that i think it's time for Sasuke to put revenge to the side. Even the latter said he was tired of living solely on revenge and i agree with him. He needs to make up his mind already whether he will be good or neutral. I don't think Sasuke will become evil unless some plot twist happens. Personally if i were Sasuke i would assist Konoha, but not become a resident in the end of the series. I would be a traveler in his case.

 

[Rasha29]

Listen, pal... I don't understand why you have to misinterpret my post, because i didn't say that Sasuke shouldn't get any sympathy at all. I'm just saying that Sasuke pretty much took his revenge when he defeated Danzo in the Kage Summit Arc. What's more is that the village is already destroyed, so what more destruction can the village have at this point? Itachi already told Sasuke what he felt in regards of him pursuing his villainous antics. You can recall the first time that Sasuke and Itachi reunited after their fight-- that it was Sasuke who said to the latter that he was the one responsible for making him a criminal. In fact, Sasuke didn't feel exhilarated about his past actions; but he did those actions because of the sorrowful feelings he felt about Itachi being used by Konoha. When Sasuke and Itachi joined forces to defeat Kabuto-- it was a fight that showed Itachi trying to slowly persuade Sasuke to change his mind. Sasuke was reluctant to hear Itachi completely, because he felt that revenge was his still his number one priority. Before Itachi vanished due to the effects of Edo Tensei's cancellation, you saw the flashbacks of what led to the Uchiha Massacre. Once Sasuke saw all that information he needed through a genjutsu via Itachi. He had a calm look because he found out the truth without feeling confused about the story itself. You saw Sasuke having that 'poor konoha' face when he saw how much it changed during his return. Sasuke is getting vulnerable and i believe that he will change soon.

The reason that i say sympathize with Madara more so than Sasuke is because he didn't have closure with that matter. Hashirama was actually not the problem it was Tobirama. When Madara overheard Tobirama saying that the people of Konoha don't trust him and that he won't get elected as Hokage. Madara took offense to the citizen's distrust over him, because he felt that he wasn't given a chance to prove himself. He then realized that being on the good side was detrimental to his personification. The only way he felt right was embracing hatred (such as Sasuke) but he was over the fact that he couldn't protect anyone, gain the trust of his fellow citizen's and losing the trust of his Uchiha clansmen. I pity Madara because at least Sasuke had people supporting him-- "thick and thin." The only person that supported Madara was Hashirama to a sense, but that wasn't enough for Madara.

So Sasuke going to the village isn't more detrimental to his personification after what they did( it's wasn't just Danzo, who cover it up and had everyone in the village thinking that his great brother was nothing more than evil scum) and Sasuke don't care about what Itachi think, because he believe the village used his brother(cause of his good heart) and than disgrace Itachi, his family, his clan and play him Sasuke for years. So like I said, stop hating on Sasuke, because he had more lie and back stabbing happen to him, and he still only 16 years old, because he trust and love the village(that why he trying to learn the whole truth, because he don't trust anyone anymore, but it won't change him from hating the village and wanting to get rid of it or rebuilding a new village to replace it) and all of this bring back Hokage crap, is just go to give Sasuke a goal, mission and a end game to take for his revenge(just like most villians), instead of just hate, but no plan of what to do, because I agree Sasuke can't just go crazy on everyone, he have to have a take over and become boss or evil plan(and let not forget he only 16 and becoming a true boss, if he end up with a plan).

Madara never fully or at all, love or trust the village. Madara life growing up was clear, Uchiha and Senju and all the other clan was at war with each other(no we are one village and one family crap), and he didn't get voted Hokage(even if Hashirama wanted him to be) because most of the village wanted Hashirama instead and that fair.

It's just like people saiding that Madara & Hashirama were closer than Naruto & Sasuke even when Naruto & Sasuke train together, went on mission together, save each other life many times and already at 13 year old had the most epic battle, for any two 13 years old ever in Narutoverse(all Madara & Hashirama did is threw some rock, talk and spar not showing any of their techniques, give me a break).

So why can't Naruto & Sasuke have their 100 fights, before they become friends again they are only 16(can they have their story play out first, before you put your head in Madara & Hashirama lap) and from what we read about Madara & Hashirama so far, their story is not better than or they are not as powerful as Naruto & Sasuke to up to the age of 16, so stop brown nosing.

 

[Itachi75]

wait one second,
I thought Hashi and Madara had their fight last week?
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Remember we were told previously madara got the EMS and then charged the villaged, so i thought we saw the ending last week.
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however we now learn Hashi and Madara had 2 fights I don't get it.

 

[Rasha29]

wait one second,
I thought Hashi and Madara had their fight last week?
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Remember we were told previously madara got the EMS and then charged the villaged, so i thought we saw the ending last week.
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however we now learn Hashi and Madara had 2 fights I don't get it.

they fought alot of times, but the last two was the most important. One was after Madara brother die and he got EMS, but before Madara & Hashirama form the village and the next one(that was before the flash back of a flash back of this story), where Madara had ninetale to fight against Hashirama to get his cells, to for fill his bigger plan, after leaving the village.