The Sannin vs Itachi, Kisame, Deidara, Sasori

[leafeater]

Itachi said this about JIraya on a purpose. HE was loyal to KOnoha, cant u get that? He didnt want to fight and he didnt want to destroy the viage. PLus, he wsnt ordered to capture Naruto that time. After he got to KOnoha he toyed with KUrenai and Kakashi. He could've killed them both, do you remember? He didnt. Because he was loyal to them.
He, as we could see later, actually loved KOnoha lol.

So, actually, he didnt have a reason to Defeat JIraya.

JUst accept it dude, what speed will Defeat Susano'o if even KIRIN cant. I'm not saying J-man wasnt able to defeat Itachi, we just cant know that.

It may not come down to speed. Every jutsu has a weakness and counter. We haven't seen Susaanoo's yet.

I agree that it appears Itachi was loyal to Konoha, but it's kind of hard since it's coming from Madara. Though there's a good thread about Madara's conversation with Sasuke and what's true and untrue.

 

[Senju Kutoki]

The Sannin,because kisame and itachi run when Jyraia use toad mouth trap,Tsunade can kill easy deidara and Orochimaru Sasori

 

[Alucard]

Itachi alone could pwn them all

 

[leafeater]

The Sannin,because kisame and itachi run when Jyraia use toad mouth trap,Tsunade can kill easy deidara and Orochimaru Sasori

I agree that Orochimaru is a good matchup with Sasori, since he can vomit himself out of bodies to avoid damage and poison.

Tsunade is close range, so I would think that she would have trouble against a long range fighter.

Kisame, I'm not sure how he fits in yet other than Tsunade and Orochimaru finishing off Sasori and Deidara.

Itachi vs. Jiraiya in sage mode is an excellent fight. With his fusion of Ma and Pa toad, he can break any genjutsu including Tsukiyomi. Ameratsu can burn through the toad stomach, but it's costly to Itachi to use.

Finally, Susaano, it can be beaten, but we don't know how. Every jutsu has a weakness and counter.

 

[master shinobi]

U guys have some good points but i felt like i needed to clear up jirayas strength u guys overestimate him too much. He is as strong as oruchmaru without sage mode plus the toad mouth jutsu (cant remember the name) is his best defense and itachi broke through it easily with amaratsu. Jirayas sagemode doesn't make him invulnerable like narutos. I think itachi said that they couldn't defeat jiraya to convince kisame that its a pointless battle, what he wanted to do at that time was to check up on sasuke considering the resent events and the truth that was revealed by madara about itachis true identity.

If he really was working for the leaf why would he take the leafs only jinchuriki and fight one of the sannins that supports it. When itachi saw that sasukes development wasnt as much as he hoped for he fueled him up with more hate so he would be more motivated to get stronger so he could beat him as a atonement for the fact that he wiped out the clan and restore the clans status in the leaf as he was hoping that they would take sasuke in with open arms as a hero once he killed his "criminal" brother but unfortunately sasuke didn't react as he was hoping for and turned on the leaf.
I would have to say that akatsuki would win

 

[Steinbiz]

Itachi said this about JIraya on a purpose. HE was loyal to KOnoha, cant u get that? He didnt want to fight and he didnt want to destroy the viage. PLus, he wsnt ordered to capture Naruto that time. After he got to KOnoha he toyed with KUrenai and Kakashi. He could've killed them both, do you remember? He didnt. Because he was loyal to them.
He, as we could see later, actually loved KOnoha lol.

So, actually, he didnt have a reason to Defeat JIraya.

JUst accept it dude, what speed will Defeat Susano'o if even KIRIN cant. I'm not saying J-man wasnt able to defeat Itachi, we just cant know that.

when itachi ran away he was already low on chakra because he used tsukuyomi on sasuke and then he was forced to use amaterasu to get out of toad mouth trap. if he went back to fight jiraiya, he would've got pumbled.

nothing can pass through susano'o yes, but jiraiya hasTONS more experience than itachi, and don't forget about fukasaku and shima, they have even more fighting experience than jiraiya. i'm pretty sure they would find a way around it. or just hide til itachi let go of susano'o and attack him then. he can't hold susano'o forever. susano'o takes even more chakra than tsukuyomi and amaterasu.

 

[roflcopter]

when itachi ran away he was already low on chakra because he used tsukuyomi on sasuke and then he was forced to use amaterasu to get out of toad mouth trap. if he went back to fight jiraiya, he would've got pumbled.

nothing can pass through susano'o yes, but jiraiya hasTONS more experience than itachi, and don't forget about fukasaku and shima, they have even more fighting experience than jiraiya. i'm pretty sure they would find a way around it. or just hide til itachi let go of susano'o and attack him then. he can't hold susano'o forever. susano'o takes even more chakra than tsukuyomi and amaterasu.

Hwo do you know that. Atually susanoo sia creatur which u summone and it is unknown if it drains yourchakra while being alive or not;/

 

[Steinbiz]

u guys have some good points but i felt like i needed to clear up jirayas strength u guys overestimate him too much. He is as strong as oruchmaru without sage mode plus the toad mouth jutsu (cant remember the name) is his best defense and itachi broke through it easily with amaratsu. Jirayas sagemode doesn't make him invulnerable like narutos. I think itachi said that they couldn't defeat jiraya to convince kisame that its a pointless battle the only thinghe wanted to do at that time if u really read between the lines ws to check up on sasuke considering the resent events and the truth that was revealed by madara about itachis true identity.
If he really was working for the leaf why would he take the leafs only jinchuriki and fight one of the sannins that supports it. When itachi saw that sasukes development wasnt as much as he hoped for he fueled him up with more hate so he would be more motivated to get stronger so he could beat him as a atonement for the fact that he wiped out the clan and restore the clans status in the leaf as he was hoping that they would take sasuke in with open arms as a hero once he killed his "criminal" brother but unfortunately sasuke didn't react as he was hoping for and turned on the leaf.

ok so you say jiraiya didn't want to fight jiraiya right? well this might be true, BUT WTF HAPPENED WITH THE EVENT WITH kakashi, kurenai, gai, asuma?? he almost killed kakashi but didn't then if kakashi wasn't there, he would've killed kurenai. asuma was also useless. and gai would have lasted 2 seconds without the gates.

so if itachi didn't hesitate putting these jounin into near-death situations, or 1 WEEK COMA'S. why wouldn't he do the same to jiraiya if he could???

jiraiya>itachi.

 

[Steinbiz]

Hwo do you know that. Atually susanoo sia creatur which u summone and it is unknown if it drains yourchakra while being alive or not;/

if u can't remember, itachi was BLEEDING from the mouth and walking like a zombie after he let go of susano'o. AM I WRONG? his eyes were barely open. he was practically on the verge of death.

 

[roflcopter]

if u can't remember, itachi was BLEEDING from the mouth and walking like a zombie after he let go of susano'o. AM I WRONG? his eyes were barely open. he was practically on the verge of death.

he has used everything he had by that time and he had some rly werid disease. Plus, It doesnt mean susanoo was drainign hsi chakra while being active, he could use much chakra just to SUMMONE it.
Like gamabunta, or Manda...

 

[Steinbiz]

he has used everything he had by that time and he had some rly werid disease. Plus, It doesnt mean susanoo was drainign hsi chakra while being active, he could use much chakra just to SUMMONE it.
Like gamabunta, or Manda...

yeah possibly, i just think it takes a lot of chakra to either summon or constant chakra gain keeping it out. nobody really knows i guess. i just think that jiraiya has the experience and discipline to defeat itachi, unlike orochimaru who is just power-hungry LOL. i guess we'll never know who was truely stronger between jiraiya and itachi but i still think sage arts own mangekyou sharingan.

 

[master shinobi]

Yea but that was not the effect of susanoo he had some kind of disease just like kimimaru. You have a point there but you cant deny the fact that orochimaru is as strong as jiraya without sage mode he KOed him when they had that sannin fight.
lol yea we probably will never know but i think jiraya cant take on itachi without sage mode and most likely could beat him but he needs to summon ma and pa toad for that itachi can get him with a genjutsu before that... so it depends on the sitation

 

[Steinbiz]

Yea but that was not the effect of susanoo he had some kind of disease just like kimimaru. You have a point there but you cant deny the fact that orochimaru is as strong as jiraya without sage mode he KOed him when they had that sannin fight.
And if itachi were to use that amaratsu on jiraya insead of the toad moth he would burn to crisps.

this is VERY true, but do you think jiraiya just sealed amaterasu then end of story? no way, he studied that shiznit like crazy i bet. that huge scroll on his back isn't just full of porn magazines. in shippuden i bet he created a counter jutsu for amaterasu. or at least something that could stop it.

 

[Land Shark]

Itachi and Kisame did run away from the J-man but i think it was because Itachi did not want to hurt anyone. Like when Itachi first appeared with Kisame and faught Kurenai, Asuma, and Kakashi he could have killed the three of them and Gai but said that he did not want war, or to harm them.

This just shows that Itachi is good and did not want to harm anyone, I believe that Susanoo is one of the ultimate techs and even the Sanin would have fell to it, like how Oro stuck his head out for a second and got killed in an instant.

 

[Steinbiz]

Itachi and Kisame did run away from the J-man but i think it was because Itachi did not want to hurt anyone. Like when Itachi first appeared with Kisame and faught Kurenai, Asuma, and Kakashi he could have killed the three of them and Gai but said that he did not want war, or to harm them.

This just shows that Itachi is good and did not want to harm anyone, I believe that Susanoo is one of the ultimate techs and even the Sanin would have fell to it, like how Oro stuck his head out for a second and got killed in an instant.

orochimaru was killed so easily because he's a psycho/fool and a power-hungry retard.

 

[Land Shark]

orochimaru was killed so easily because he's a psycho/fool and a power-hungry retard.

But still he was killed in a second of coming out of Sasuke...it says somthing about Susanoo that even the genius Oro was killed in one second.

I still think that Itachi was sympathetic and cared for the villiagers of Konoha, remember he loved Konoha so much that he killed his whole clan and family to protect it. So the thought of killing someone from Konoha for no reason... must have been difficult casue he cared so much.

 

[master shinobi]

Its true the ultimate rasengan is most likely able to counter Amaterasu and besides to telll the truth u cant compare the shippuden fights to the first series if orochimaru fought like he did agaisnt the 4-tailed against the 3rd, the 3rd would got owned in less than a minute... the ninja capabilities are at higher level in shippuuden just take the fire ball jutsu for instance.

 

[TOBI!]

jiraiya can break high-level genjutsu remember.
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no, where did you hear this?

he wasn't losing, he just couldn't hit pain, but neither could pain hit jiraiya.....it was a stalemate. so jiraiya retreated, came back, and pwnd pain.

no they were not in a stale mate and i quote jiriya as saying "if i keep fighting like this i'll be killed...even if i am in hermit mode"

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thus pein was beating jiriya at that point but i forget what this has to do with the argument...

toad mouth trap........annnnnnndddd the sannin are protected yay.

no the toad mouth trap would get destroyed too or better yet the tiny bombs would get into the mouth trap, and they die yay.

 

[Steinbiz]

jiraiya can break high-level genjutsu remember.
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no, where did you hear this?



no they were not in a stale mate and i quote jiriya as saying "if i keep fighting like this i'll be killed...even if i am in hermit mode"

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thus pein was beating jiriya at that point but i forget what this has to do with the argument...



no the toad mouth trap would get destroyed too or better yet the tiny bombs would get into the mouth trap, and they die yay.

yeah he would die because pain was blocking everything and he didn't know what to do. still doesn't change the fact that pain wasn't able to hit him either

are you kidding me????? remember in the fillers where jiraiya used toad mouth trap to block that huge blast wave from that girl? he also said a ninja hasn't been born who can survive this jutsu(he refers to someone being able to break the toad walls) except itachi's amaterasu. so i doubt deidara's bombs can explode toad mouth trap.

 

[TOBI!]

yeah he would die because pain was blocking everything and he didn't know what to do. still doesn't change the fact that pain wasn't able to hit him either

yea, but pein only used 1 attack! and he was still winning :|

are you kidding me????? remember in the fillers where jiraiya used toad mouth trap to block that huge blast wave from that girl? he also said a ninja hasn't been born who can survive this jutsu(he refers to someone being able to break the toad walls) except itachi's amaterasu. so i doubt deidara's bombs can explode toad mouth trap.

ypu dont get the concept :| im not talking about an uber bomb, i am referring to the tiny ones that get in your viens :| it would probaly just go through the defense. even if not teh sanin would be trapped inside the toad thing until it is realsed then die anyways :|