Minato vs Madara(3tomoe)

[shelke]

^ @Turson

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- The Shun-Shin no Jutsus is written on that yellow paper.

They can't. Example: Itachi's or Sasuke's shuriken fire techniques. What he says is BS as usual

Put up, or shut up. Your embarrassing BS statements aren't getting you anywhere. Itachi's Phoenix Sage Flower Nail -

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- that was blocked easily -

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- compares to this:

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- single horse handseal -or

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that doesn't even require any handseal? Keep belching out more third grade rubbish. Your Kunai statements have been proven wrong.

The Shurikens' Itachi threw were used so as an attack. These FTG Kunais' were randomly thrown around -

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- and in a straight line in different directions at that. Both weapons will follow a different projectile path given on the force behind their throw, the resistance met, and the heat. The Shuriken spins and the Kunai doesn't given their usage. That measly fire attack is comparable to that large fire attack - Katon: Gōka Mekkyaku or even Katon: Gōka Messhitsu - that took so many ninjas to quell and stop it in its path with a wall of Suiton attack? Your delusional fanboy level is off the charts. Go study basic physics. You have bigger problems.

 

[Bogard]

+1. Maybe it doesnt have much of a sense, but its hard to argue against manga facts.

can you post a scan? It sounds familiar.

Here is the page:

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@thetrollwhoquotedme never do it again

 

[Edo Odin]

can you post a scan? It sounds familiar.

+1. Maybe it doesnt have much of a sense, but its hard to argue against manga facts.

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[Turson]

What does +1 mean? And if you never posted it i cant agree it's manga fact.

+1 means that I would say the exact same thing as you did.

^ @Turson

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- The Shun-Shin no Jutsus is written on that yellow paper.

Thanks.

 

[Curse Mark]

thanks to all 3 people who provided the scan. Greatly appreciated.

 

[shelke]

@Bogard You will be called out if I feel you believe anyone is a troll with logical argumentation to back up their claims.

 

[silmarill]

Not too be a nuisance, but whats stopping Minato from placing a seal on the kunai itself once he notices the fire that burns the paper ones?... If he can place seals on skin or clothes he can do that also.

 

[Bogard]

Not too be a nuisance, but whats stopping Minato from placing a seal on the kunai itself once he notices the fire that burns the paper ones?... If he can place seals on skin or clothes he can do that also.

No one said he couldn't(or i think since it's obvious he could) but we were talking about the hiraishin kunais only in this case

 

[Zavage10]

Now disable ftg lol

 

[TrollingSage]

So let's get one thing straight; reflex speed means that Minato is able to evade everything? I hope to god you people are either joking or... let's not even think of the alternative. Reflex speed is reaction/response time of the muscles, and that's it. It doesn't enhance any individual's bodily speed, or make them faster in terms of sprint, or any other bodily movements outside this. It's just a small window which determines how fast the muscles respond in a particular situation.

For example, the Test Pilots have a Reflex Speed of 4 seconds to avert any crisis or respond to emergency simulations. Whereas an average Commercial Pilot's reflex speed is around 8-10 seconds. Now this must mean that they are amazing sprinters, or have amazing speed. Which is completely untrue. With FTG out of the way; how exactly does this 'reflex speed' fall into place when his other Kunais are rendered useless? You have got to be kidding me. *Face Palm*



How is he throwing Kunais in every direction other than behind him against this:

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When ninjas on the battle field accepted it to have a huge range:

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- Look at the large wall of Suiton attack from many ninjas to extinguish it and stop it in its tracks. How is Minato NOT getting burnt? When his Kunai's thrown ahead or or the sides would get eaten up by the flames, and he has literally nothing to stop the flames themselves?

How is this:

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- getting past OR around this:

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When Madara's weaker Katon attack burnt Tsunade in her Immortal technique:

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. This attack appears to have a much much bigger range and the amount of Suiton attacks from countless ninjas to quell the flames makes me believe that you people are grossly slanting your opinions.

The marking on the Kunai is made up with nothing but paper:

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- The Shun-Shin no Jutsus is written on that yellow paper. How it it getting past the fire? I can't believe Bogard here believes that somehow, magically, the Kunai will make through this much heat. The level of fanboyism. It's basically made up of Iron or steel and it's basic physics what happens to Iron or its alloys once exposed to extreme heats. There is no way in snow flame in hell is a single one of his Kunai passing through or surviving this attack. I mean, Yellow Paper? God...

Bunta is put under Genjutsu the second he lands on the battle field. How much time did Sasuke have after Deidara released the mouth on his chest, turning himself into a bomb and it went off? Here it has already gone off -

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- and Sasuke has yet to summon Manda. This means he summoned manda and put it inside genjutsu in that extremely small time frame. How is any toad summon getting out if it? The moment he looks at Madara, it's over.



Let's not use the Kage fights as some sort of argument changer here. Madara was never serious with them. You and are both know that. The second he got serious; they were flattened shamelessly. At base speed, Minato is perfectly countered on all fronts. His Rasangan is reflected back in his face and let's face it, I haven't seen Minato use any Taijutsu feats other than abusing teleportation to over-whelm his enemies.



Minato already had a Kunai in his hand well before A even attacked:

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. See the Kunai in his hand when A is about to level his punch:

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. What does that even prove? Not only that, he also saw his attack coming when he charged his armour here:

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. This proves practically nothing, as it was FTG and nothing else. If he was not holding his Kunai, that punch would've bashed his face in permanently.



Still stuck in the past?

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- Obito’s S/T Jutsu is more advanced than forth, according to Kakashi. Try to keep up with current manga. Back then, Minato even used FTG to escape the Warp point, which is another counter for your 'Kakashi warps everything'!

Thats edo Madara who's also being boosted by Hashi's techniques. His techs will be on a much lower scale without those powerups. Not to mention Minato has a boss summon that uses suiton techs.
SMH fanboys.

 

[Waltz]

Kouka Meshittsu's range is something Minato has no defense against besides Space time barrier [

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] which, if he fails to produce he's as good as finished or is forced to retreat. The uchiha clan was hailed to be unparalleled in terms of chakra and their doujutsu's abilities; Madara simultaneously controlling the kyuubi and utilizing Perfect Susano'o is evidence of that...Minato's chakra pools aren't even remotely comparable. Madara also has a contract summoning with the kyuubi and being that he has alread unlocked the Eien Mangekyou he is able to control it with a 3 tomoe as obito did. Minato stands little to no chance against Madara even if he uses Shiki Fujin it's already been made clear that the opponent can restrict their soul from being immediately withdrawn by the death god [

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] and madara possesses this ability on scales far superior to orochimaru [

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] as this was done long before performing the seals for the acutal edo tensei. Minato would've died before extracting his entire soul. Madara takes this quite comfortably.

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[TrollingSage]

Kouka Meshittsu's range is something Minato has no defense against besides Space time barrier [

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] which, if he fails to produce he's as good as finished or is forced to retreat. The uchiha clan was hailed to be unparalleled in terms of chakra and their doujutsu's abilities; Madara simultaneously controlling the kyuubi and utilizing Perfect Susano'o is evidence of that...Minato's chakra pools aren't even remotely comparable. Madara also has a contract summoning with the kyuubi and being that he has alread unlocked the Eien Mangekyou he is able to control it with a 3 tomoe as obito did. Minato stands little to no chance against Madara even if he uses Shiki Fujin it's already been made clear that the opponent can restrict their soul from being immediately withdrawn by the death god [

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] and madara possesses this ability on scales far superior to orochimaru [

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] as this was done long before performing the seals for the acutal edo tensei. Minato would've died before extracting his entire soul. Madara takes this quite comfortably.

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Am fairly certain Kishi confirmed with the databook that the only reason Hiruzen couldnt take Oro's soul was due to his old age. And he means 3 tomoe Madara, without kyubi. And also contract seal > kyubi summon.

 

[FourthLegacy]

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Thread closed?
This is coming from the author himself.
But idk if this is real o-O

 

[Waltz]

Am fairly certain Kishi confirmed with the databook that the only reason Hiruzen couldnt take Oro's soul was due to his old age. And he means 3 tomoe Madara, without kyubi. And also contract seal > kyubi summon.

Nice try.

There are no restrictions, read the OP. If further proof is required that Kyuubi can be manipulated by his 3 tomoe [

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] Also, the databooks explanation makes no difference as Shiki fujin has its

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when facing such opponents as Madara and the kyuubi. Minato isn't hitting madara as this battle won't be close range with large scale techniques like Kouka involved; nonetheless Minato can be placed under a genjutsu at the beginning of the fight; something to which he has no counter and be quickly finished off by madara removing his head with his scythe. Those toads in minato's contract seal has nothing on the kyuubi; he'd kill them all with one bijuu dama while Minato is faced with large scale Katon jutsu. Whether you like it or not, Minato's not winning this.

Dat-nigga Madara

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[Bogard]

Kouka Meshittsu's range is something Minato has no defense against besides Space time barrier [

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] which, if he fails to produce he's as good as finished or is forced to retreat.

Because of the size of the katon jutsu it hinders Madara's vision. It's something you must also consider. At the same time, Minato could simply throw kunais thru them and while Madara is releasing the flames from his mouth, he could get blitzed by FTG

The uchiha clan was hailed to be unparalleled in terms of chakra and their doujutsu's abilities; Madara simultaneously controlling the kyuubi and utilizing Perfect Susano'o is evidence of that...Minato's chakra pools aren't even remotely comparable.

Minato is also said by kurama to have great amount of chakra and chakra control. For example, Naruto for just summoning Gamabunta needed Kyubi's chakra in part1 when we know Naruto's normal chakra capacity was huge even in part1, capable of spamming Kage Bunshins(thousand of them) even when he had poor chakra control. When you know that for FTG, it needs 3people to use the jutsu, also that shows that for Minato to spam it that easily, he should have huge chakra control and during the Kyubi attacks, he used it plenty of times, before that he had to maintain Kushina's seal during the long night of Naruto's birth, warped something as huge as the Kyubi, warped his Tailed Beast bomb in 2occasions, summoned Gamabunta, summoned Gerotora, used the Shiki fujin, Eight trigram seal, rasengan, along with some other jutsus.

Madara also has a contract summoning with the kyuubi and being that he has alread unlocked the Eien Mangekyou he is able to control it with a 3 tomoe as obito did.

Except Kyubi is in Naruto, so he can't summon him. I didn't even consider it anyway. Even if i consider it anyway, contract seal > Kyubi's control

Minato stands little to no chance against Madara even if he uses Shiki Fujin it's already been made clear that the opponent can restrict their soul from being immediately withdrawn by the death god [

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] and madara possesses this ability on scales far superior to orochimaru [

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] as this was done long before performing the seals for the acutal edo tensei. Minato would've died before extracting his entire soul. Madara takes this quite comfortably.

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You must be joking. The only reason it failed for Hiruzen was because of his old age and also because he had kusanagi blade thru his chest, so he didn't have the power necessary to hold it. Furthermore, on Hiruzen's self admission, he didn't know all the capacity of the Shiki Fujin. A good proof of it is that he isn't even capable to use it at long range like Minato. Minato sealed half of Kyubi with it. Madara is no where near Kyubi's chakra level

 

[Waltz]

Because of the size of the katon jutsu it hinders Madara's vision. It's something you must also consider. At the same time, Minato could simply throw kunais thru them and while Madara is releasing the flames from his mouth, he could get blitzed by FTG


Minato is also said by kurama to have great amount of chakra and chakra control. For example, Naruto for just summoning Gamabunta needed Kyubi's chakra in part1 when we know Naruto's normal chakra capacity was huge even in part1, capable of spamming Kage Bunshins(thousand of them) even when he had poor chakra control. When you know that for FTG, it needs 3people to use the jutsu, also that shows that for Minato to spam it that easily, he should have huge chakra control and during the Kyubi attacks, he used it plenty of times, before that he had to maintain Kushina's seal during the long night of Naruto's birth, warped something as huge as the Kyubi, warped his Tailed Beast bomb in 2occasions, summoned Gamabunta, summoned Gerotora, used the Shiki fujin, Eight trigram seal, rasengan, along with some other jutsus.

Except Kyubi is in Naruto, so he can't summon him. I didn't even consider it anyway

You must be joking. The only reason it failed for Hiruzen was because of his old age and also because he had kusanagi blade thru his chest, so he didn't have the power necessary to hold it. Furthermore, on Hiruzen's self admission, he didn't know all the capacity of the Shiki Fujin. A good proof of it is that he isn't even capable to use it at long range like Minato. Minato sealed half of Kyubi with it. Madara is no where near Kyubi's chakra level

Wooden kunai's and their paper tags would be disintegrated from the heat of the incoming katon. Elaborating on Minato's feats prove noting as his chakra levels could never support the kyuubi and Perfect susano'o for an extended all out battle. In versus Matchup's All the characters abilities are avaliable to them unless restricted in the Opening post; for this case there is no restriction on the kyuubi, nullifying your argument...or will you now invent restrictions to support your argument?

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Also, the databooks explanation of the event with hiruzen makes no difference as Shiki fujin has its

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when facing such opponents as Madara and the kyuubi. Being in control, Madara could allow the Kyuubi to tank shiki fujin as they array jointly in battle [

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Dat-nigga!

 

[Penguin]

Just saying, Minato cannot loose in Hand to Hand combat. He has the best reflexes in Naruto, and is really fast.

 

[TrollingSage]

Wooden kunai's and their paper tags would be disintegrated from the heat of the incoming katon. Elaborating on Minato's feats prove noting as his chakra levels could never support the kyuubi and Perfect susano'o for an extended all out battle. In versus Matchup's All the characters abilities are avaliable to them unless restricted in the Opening post; for this case there is no restriction on the kyuubi, nullifying your argument...or will you now invent restrictions to support your argument?

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Also, the databooks explanation of the event with hiruzen makes no difference as Shiki fujin has its

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when facing such opponents as Madara and the kyuubi. Being in control, Madara could allow the Kyuubi to tank shiki fujin as they array jointly in battle [

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].

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Dat-nigga!

Agreed. Inventing restrictions are bad. Almost as bad as making up powers. Madara only got the kyubi after he got EMS. Just before his fight with Hashi. 3 tomoe Madara has no such powers. Anyways thats not even important since contract seal> kyubi control.
Also kyubi tanking rds? Thats just desperate. Ignoring the fact that Minato is the only who can see it, how the hell is kyubi going to stop the death reaper from taking Madara's soul? How does that even work
And yea wooden kunais ftw! Same wood that spanked Madara and the kyubi with his array of fire jutsus remember?

 

[Waltz]

Agreed. Inventing restrictions are bad. Almost as bad as making up powers. Madara only got the kyubi after he got EMS. Just before his fight with Hashi. 3 tomoe Madara has no such powers. Anyways thats not even important since contract seal> kyubi control.
Also kyubi tanking rds? Thats just desperate. Ignoring the fact that Minato is the only who can see it, how the hell is kyubi going to stop the death reaper from taking Madara's soul? How does that even work
And yea wooden kunais ftw! Same wood that spanked Madara and the kyubi with his array of fire jutsus remember?

Inventing restrictions shows inferiority in an argument which is why i keep telling you, there was no restriction on the kyuubi nor did the threads specify what point in madara's life while possessing the 3tomoe as he had it from youth to death. The kyuubi can always be re-controlled on eye contact so contract's not making any difference. @ the bold, Don't underestimate genjutsu's worth of the doujutsu; deidara almost bowled himself up because of that. Minato's aim can be altered via such means, not to mention the kyuubi can act as a substitute if in the way as Shiki Fujin will grab hold of it's chakra.

 

[TrollingSage]

Inventing restrictions shows inferiority in an argument which is why i keep telling you, there was no restriction on the kyuubi nor did the threads specify what point in madara's life while possessing the 3tomoe as he had it from youth to death. The kyuubi can always be re-controlled on eye contact so contract's not making any difference. @ the bold, Don't underestimate genjutsu's worth of the doujutsu; deidara almost bowled himself up because of that. Minato's aim can be altered via such means, not to mention the kyuubi can act as a substitute if in the way as Shiki Fujin will grab hold of it's chakra.

There's no proof of that. Obito wouldnt have retreated that easily if that was the case. I doubt he can control the kyubi again as long as the seal is on him. And you're obviously confusing Minato's rds with Hiruzen's . He took the kyubi's chakra almost instantly. Madara wont know what's happening till its too late. He will do the same with Madara. Besides whats stopping him from simply taking Madara after he takes the kyubi.
Also am fairly certain 3 tomoe Madara means 3 tomoe powers only. You need ms to control the fox.

P.S Half of the Kyuubi's chakra was dragged away with the death reaper whiles the other half helplessly watch itself being sealed in a uzumaki brat babe. Is there any indication kyuubi can resist the seal of the uzumakis? Me thinks not.